you were eager to kill time yesterday yet you vote fire today. Interesting move right there Bear. I will have to give you that.
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Gafia 2: The Bride of Gafia |Mafia OT| One Wedding, Many Funerals
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you were eager to kill time yesterday yet you vote fire today. Interesting move right there Bear. I will have to give you that.
...There is still 25 hours of the day left. I can't change my vote to push at another player during that time now?
But sure man, keep sitting on that dark tunnel you are on.
Good morning, everyone.
Current votes:
nin1000 (1)
seath 3711
burbeting (1)
nin1000 3775
timeaisis (1)
burbeting 3833 (3899)
czartim 3889
czartim (1)
ty4on 3863
ty4on (1)
salvapot 3877
fireblend (1)
burbeting 3899
seath (0)
ty4on 3754 (3863)
Players without an active vote:
AbsolutBro
Fireblend
Ourobolus
Terrabyte20xx
Timeaisis
Time left in Day 7:
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Current votes:
nin1000 (1)
seath 3711
burbeting (1)
nin1000 3775
timeaisis (1)
czartim 3889
czartim (1)
ty4on 3863
ty4on (1)
salvapot 3877
fireblend (1)
burbeting 3899
seath (0)
Players without an active vote:
AbsolutBro
Fireblend
Ourobolus
Terrabyte20xx
Timeaisis
Time left in Day 7:
As usual for Sunday, I will be out most of the day, but I will be on mobile. If something comes up and you are not able to reach me, contact Sorian or Palmer_v1
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The latter just seems too convoluted and why not kill an ordinary that I've had much less friction with (or even town read) like Fire, CzarTim or AB instead? Heck, I even said this yesterday:
Do you have anything on Seath?
Why not? I went after Roy yesterday so this NK casts doubt at my reads.
They could have made a mistake and forgotten about the drink.
The latter just seems too convoluted and why not kill an ordinary that I've had much less friction with (or even town read) like Fire, CzarTim or AB instead? Heck, I even said this yesterday:
A big part of the reason I'm voting for you is I feel like scum were cautious and wanted only one member voting for me. You seemed like that lone vote.
Do you have anything on Seath?
Same goes for you Burb, keep telling others that there was a ninja. lol.
"But like I said, it's a long shot. More likely is that someone is lying, or there is outside interference."
This was me literally two pages ago. What the fuck are you doing nin.
But i mean you don't think that you deserved to have pressure on you given the circumstances? You had little to no pressure on you all game and the jailer blocks you when there is no kill. You would have done the same thing and in fact are doing it right now.
There was nothing to be cautious about there and we honestly SHOULD have lynched you if only to prevent a "crab in HP" situation. Now I'm having doubts because I don't know why scum would not have just killed nin if this was going to be an issue. Scum fucking up is a possibility, but it just seems like an obvious mistake and completely unnecessary.
Seath, I have trouble reading. Looking over yesterday he went from calling Burb his top town to then voting for him. But he was changing his vote at the end there a lot. I feel like he should claim at this point.
Why do you feel this way?
Though, for posterity,
Vote: Burbeting
Burbeting, what do you think about nin pushing hard for your lynch?
Of course I deserved pressure. I think scum were reluctant to vote for me because I didn't get that much pressure. At the same time zero scum on me seems like too little.
Seath got on my radar for their last post reasoning their vote on Xam. They doesn't give any reason why they didn't want to vote Time and their opinions are like nothing. In the third line Burb is both the towniest town and scummiest scum.
What stuck out the most was their justification for voting Xam where it seemed like they defend their position a lot, but there's no concrete reason for voting Xam. These lines stood the most out to me:
-"...for the reasons that many who are suspicious about him have raised." (Possibly pushing burdon on other people or just making them a part of the crowd)
-"...notice something interesting between Xam and Wee." (We never hear what that is)
-"...but if we catch scum today, we are very close to victory..." (This whole paragraph just feels like filler)
-"...Xam raised a few red flags in my book..." (Again, they never tell us what those red flags are)
The full post in question.
lol
Is this the first game we've played together?
Sooo... if I vote for time will you read me as town? lol
Because I can do that, that would be too easy. I said I was suspicious about Xam from the moment I joined this game, and it's not hard to go back to D2 and read some of his posts, along with some of his coasting to see this.
But if you can't see this, then I don't know what to tell you.
This just seems like a BS reason to arbitrarily vote me. That isn't even a case. "Well it has to be one scum"
And if you are scum, of course this wouldn't apply.
Vote: Ty4on
I don't care that much about the votes per say. Mostly how they come about.
I played with you in NV. That's a long time ago, but from what I remember you seemed more relaxed there. It's also hard to get a read on you if you don't ever get any pressure.
But since you're here. What specifically between Xam and Wee did you find weird and what red flags did he rise?
nin, you have developed quite the interesting presence in this game.
Why do you think there couldn't have been something else changing your results? Have you ever commented on what you think went down last night?
I think some of us our putting a lot of stock in your results, when it's clear that they can be shifted and manipulated. And further, why aren't you dead yet? If scum have kept you alive this long they've done it for a reason. I believe they are fucking with us through the MD results, because something is clearly going on.
That being said, I can see why you are suspect of Burb right now. I kind of have a small inclination to think Burb is scum masquerading as town to steer the game. We aren't doing too great at this stage, and Burb has been the more controlling factor of this game so far. Is your suspicion of Burb wholly based on your N1 motion results and the fact that he's seemingly steering the ship right now?
I casted doubt on you on the start of the day where I wondered why scum went for Roy instead of you. The reason being that nobody is really suspicious of you. For the same reason it'd be silly of me as scum to push for a lynch of you now over Time.
Unless Nin is lying or misunderstanding something my initial thought was "would scum block him if not to hide your motion?" I get the possibility of making a setup, but when we first heard of that it seemed more likely they just didn't consider the drinks in the first place and we were lucky to catch this contradiction and I didn't realize that Nin was the only person at the table without a drink.
On the other hand you really seem like the kind of scum that would consider the drinks (it's painfully obvious when looking at the map) so I get that it is less likely. I also don't see Fire and AB as your scum partners.
But seriously, look at this from my perspective. I town read Burb and Xam was town. How weird is it when I'm such an obvious target that zero scum voted for me?
Looking at the day end you didn't seem to mind a Xam lynch. Why didn't you try to stop it when you had the chance by convincing people to vote for Time or me?
Which is my point too though. There was no push on you.
What will you make of that when I flip ordinary town? Burb is scum? Scum just didn't want to vote for me?
Yes. This is a problem.
Why did you bring me up at the start of the day and not AB? He applies In the ordinary without much heat camp too
Sorry, I was out for a jog for around 90 minutes, and it seems there has been multiple questions during that night.
It was a bit complex situation. I stand with what I said at the start of today that Time or you were better candidates to lynch. However, I wasn't sure about Xam either, like I said in this post:
Little after 4PM GMT the vote was 4-3 from Xam to Time. At that point I didn't try to push super hard for people to change their votes, because of the unsureness of Xam, but also because the two who did vote him at 4PM GMT were either suspicious of him from early on (Terra) or didn't re-appear even though I tried to ask about their concerns on Xam (Seath). I was hoping for someone who hadn't voted yet to arrive, other than Ouro who seemed to be already there:
Just pushing Ouro to vote for Time wasn't going to do much, since him voting would have only resulted to tie. When nin arrived at the scene, it was just around 5 minutes before day ended, and even most of that time he used to whine about me not being lynched, until he casted his vote at Xam on 2 minutes before deadline.
TL;DR: Pushing only Ouro to vote would have resulted on tie and I wasn't completely sure about Xam myself. But I still stand with it would have been lot wiser to lynch either Time or you, since we are just back at circling around you two today.
It was a bit complex situation. I stand with what I said at the start of today that Time or you were better candidates to lynch. However, I wasn't sure about Xam either, like I said in this post:
Little after 4PM GMT the vote was 4-3 from Xam to Time. At that point I didn't try to push super hard for people to change their votes, because of the unsureness of Xam, but also because the two who did vote him at 4PM GMT were either suspicious of him from early on (Terra) or didn't re-appear even though I tried to ask about their concerns on Xam (Seath). I was hoping for someone who hadn't voted yet to arrive, other than Ouro who seemed to be already there:
Just pushing Ouro to vote for Time wasn't going to do much, since him voting would have only resulted to tie. When nin arrived at the scene, it was just around 5 minutes before day ended, and even most of that time he used to whine about me not being lynched, until he casted his vote at Xam on 2 minutes before deadline.
TL;DR: Pushing only Ouro to vote would have resulted on tie and I wasn't completely sure about Xam myself. But I still stand with it would have been lot wiser to lynch either Time or you, since we are just back at circling around you two today.
Sorry, I didn't realize we'd started the day yesterday. I only noticed last night when I was going to bed.
I believe we should lynch according to what will give us the most information. All I've got are scummy vibes from people but I can't really make any statements like "if X flips town then Y for sure is more likely scum" or "either X or Y are scum but it's highly unlikely both are" - do you guys think you can make statements like that at this point? If so I'd like to hear them, because as I said I think figuring out whose lynch is going to yield the most info for us to work with is what we should focus on right now.
Nin is acting super weird, I am caught up but I still don't understand his rationale for not providing info yesterday; I just don't agree with how he's playing at all. Ty4on is also someone I'd be willing to vote for today because I still have my doubts about Launch having protected him instead of having blocked his scum kill command.
I also wonder about the Roy kill. He was one of the scum blocker candidates, no? That leaves just me and Time. Maybe they killed him as a way to make us think none of the candidates (Time from my perspective) are scum, or on the contrary, to make it more appealing for town to focus on us 2 today?
I believe we should lynch according to what will give us the most information. All I've got are scummy vibes from people but I can't really make any statements like "if X flips town then Y for sure is more likely scum" or "either X or Y are scum but it's highly unlikely both are" - do you guys think you can make statements like that at this point? If so I'd like to hear them, because as I said I think figuring out whose lynch is going to yield the most info for us to work with is what we should focus on right now.
Nin is acting super weird, I am caught up but I still don't understand his rationale for not providing info yesterday; I just don't agree with how he's playing at all. Ty4on is also someone I'd be willing to vote for today because I still have my doubts about Launch having protected him instead of having blocked his scum kill command.
I also wonder about the Roy kill. He was one of the scum blocker candidates, no? That leaves just me and Time. Maybe they killed him as a way to make us think none of the candidates (Time from my perspective) are scum, or on the contrary, to make it more appealing for town to focus on us 2 today?
That's a good point. I felt like AB had gotten more heat (I think it's mostly from you though) and it felt like a good time to kill you because you are a strong player, but didn't have a clear set of suspects.
I guess the thing is I don't ever remember you bringing me up as a possible scum so when you suddenly bring me up today after I went after you yesterday it feels like you're trying to cast doubt on my reads.
Thats why i withheld information yesterday to see where town would go without any information from my side.
Both.
Here you go Tim. I can see it being easy to miss. This was after Launch's clam and it should say "I didn't like how vague". I felt like your reasoning on Launch was flimsy and the way you mixed Roy into it seemed very speculative.
We needed a tie to A see where people stood and B change the vote leader unless someone from Xam decided to switch.
It's still a contradiction in your opinion. On one hand you wanted Xam lynched because you were uncertain of him and on the other you didn't want him lynched because you'd rather want me or Time. Cognitive dissonance or did you opinion change over night?
Right now I have a little conflicted feelings about the situation. I've been trying to ignore nin's push today, since I concentrated on it little too much on earlier days without any change to his ideas, which has lead to some frustration on my own part.
The thing is, I read nin as town, I don't think he is scum. But I also think that he is tunneling on me pretty badly, and has done that ever since claiming his role on D3. Since claiming D3, his reasons to suspecting me have seen to be:
1. The N1 MD results
2. Me apparently steering the ship
3. "If burb is scum then he would be dangerous!"
Now the first one I've gone through multiple times. We don't know yet what caused the alarm on N1, there are simply too many different possibilities. Me or Time could have moved, we might have been targeted by town PR or by scum PR. So even at that he has decided in his head that it must mean I must be scum. I say I, because even though Nin does mention Timeaisis too, he definitely has pushed way harder on me, than he has on Time. I mean, even today almost all of his efforts have been about lynching me.
Steering the ship argument is something some other people have said as well. It's a fair point to make, but it's also feels little unfair to me since I can't really defend myself over it. I will say that out of the six lynches so far, I think I've been most involved with Weemad, Kalor, Camjo and BSP. Out of this list is two scum, arsonist and one ordinary town with BSP. With Gryvan and Xam I don't think I had as much effect on the lynches, even though I did talk about my suspicions on Xam. But it does feel a little unfair how people say I'm "leading mislynches" or "being one of the reasons why town is not doing well". But still, it's one of the fairer arguments against me.
The third one doesn't really feel fair. I had a discussion with nin earlier about why he thinks I'm scum even though I was one of the earlier voters for Weemad, and even pushed nin to vote for them. Nin's response was basically "You want to make the game harder for yourself! You are dangerous!". This is just baffling argumentation really, I'm not here to play Dark Souls, I'm here to play mafia. Making game "harder" for myself by lynching "my scum partner" who was about to be made confirmed town is just silly.
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For the last few days I have felt like that Nin is definitely tunneling on me. The ninja conversation is the best example of this today. Nin brings us a information contradiction, and I try to figure out what could have brought this contradiction. One of the possibilties I thought about was the ninja, but I later discarded it multiple times in this thread. Instead of seeing that , nin keeps insisting that I'm trying to force the ninja-narrative to everyone, even though I had already discarded it.
I'll continue a little in my next post.
Actually speaking of bsp, Who on that vote do you think is most likely scum, ty?
Yeah, I didn't like the lynch of BSP either. I just felt like Launch was the worst one.
What do you think of Nin?
I really don't like that we're moving towards a lynch of him because it feels like another mislynch that won't tell us much.
I do read nin as town, I think he sincerely thinks I am scum. But he has been also tying up lot of his posts to hunting me, and on tinier emphasis, Timeaisis. This is problematic is that he hasn't done much outside of that. His major contributions outside that and MD results are:
1. Chasing Launch
2. Agreeing with the Arsonist for some weird reason.
3. It seems he is about to do something important.
But outside of those, I can't remember much contribution from him after claiming his role on D3. His posts are tied to me and Time for the most part. Scum is definitely going to take advantage of this, since him chasing one target for all of the time is time and energy out from chasing scum. I won't be surprised if scum would keep me and Nin both alive so that nin would vote for me in LYLO, and then scum would jump on me, haha.
1. Chasing Launch
2. Agreeing with the Arsonist for some weird reason.
3. It seems he is about to do something important.
But outside of those, I can't remember much contribution from him after claiming his role on D3. His posts are tied to me and Time for the most part. Scum is definitely going to take advantage of this, since him chasing one target for all of the time is time and energy out from chasing scum. I won't be surprised if scum would keep me and Nin both alive so that nin would vote for me in LYLO, and then scum would jump on me, haha.
More like that I wanted both Xam lynched, but I also wanted you or Time lynched more than him. I wanted Time to be lynched more than Xam, but also didn't go for 100% push in a situation where most of the people didn't seem to be around, D6 end was pretty quiet.
I would not vote for nin but I'm basically ignoring him atm
Looking back at the vote all four that were in the lead have now flipped town so it's possible none of them voted for her.
I don't have strong scum reads on any of the people voting BSP. Before the last minute scramble she had Roy, Burb and Ouro voting for her. In the last three minutes Terra, AB and Fire voted for her. Terra tied so maaaybe he wanted to make whomever voted after him suspicious when they killed a townie? I still town read Terra though for his vote Wee that put her in the lead. Of AB and Fire I think I'm the most suspicious of AB, but it's a very soft read. And for the most part I find last minute voting like that when both are town to be townie. Why risk all that attention as scum?
Of Ouro and Burb I scum read Burb the most because I don't have any reason to suspect Ouro at the moment. That's not because of his claim. I genuinely think it's possible a scum could have that role, but Ouro hasn't been scummy IMO.
I don't have much of a scum read on Burb either, I just think it's more likely than Ouro being scum.
I hadn't considered AB since the whole arsonist fiasco, but he came off as just ordinary to me in hindsight. What are your thoughts on him?
A whole lotta WIFOM. On one hand it lowers the pool of people so that you two are remaining, but it also doesn't make sense for them to do that if you guys are scum. I don't see why they'd consider drawing attention to themselves like that.
NK'ing someone in a group of suspected people (among which there was a scum member) worked for mafia in Batman though
