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WhereAreMahDragonz
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Just realized I forgot vere like a fucktard. Put him slight scum lean. Don't like the turn around at the end of yesterday and I would not doubt a scum focus on Crab to save vere
I don't even know how to respond to FEP. Sorry, I haven't spurred conversation? I've said my piece. I want Swamped or Blarg dead. To be completely honest, I'd prefer Blarg at this point, he's coasting on purpose. At least Swamped is posting mega posts every other day which means if she is scum, she is leaving a trail. My vote is on Swamped though because I can't count on any of you to go after an inactive apparently and I'm tired of shit lynches so I'm going for one I want that has the most chance of success. I'm around a bit more throughout the night but I work tomorrow night so I'll go to sleep at some point and try to be back an hour or two before deadline.
Tbf I read it the same way as swamped and only double checked after you answered her.
"ignoring your question (on) Swamped"
Why not Vere?
Why do you scumread Fran?
My read on Vere isn't as strong as others. I see the logic in it and it's a fine lynch but I didn't come to that conclusion myself, I came to it based on reading others posts.If we're throwing out other names, it continues to surprise me when I remember Kawl is even in this game. He isn't know for being this quiet at all.
I wouldn't mind a Blarg lynch. Not my preferred one, but I simply don't know how to read him so he's going to be a question markin my head for as long as he's alive. If it were to come down to it, I wouldn't be too unhappy voting for him.
Would prefer WAMD or Vere though. I still think Faddy is misguided town rather than scum.
He did say he was unavailable for most of this day phase, I think.
Although the constant string of excuses are starting to be a concern.
YesNOnoNOYes
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DAY 3 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
TheWorthyEdge (2)
Burbeting 2284
Lone_Prodigy 2286
Verelios (1)
Kyanrute 2438
Swamped (1)
Sorian 2266
acohrs (1)
flatearthpandas 2293
CCS (1)
StanleyPalmtree 2390
*Splinter (1)
Gorlak 2426
Bronx-Man (0):acohrs 2250 2360
No active vote for Day 3: *Splinter, acohrs (has previously voted), Blargonaut, Bronx-Man, CCS, Faddy, franconp, Kawl_USC, nin1000, Swamped, TheWorthyEdge, Verelios, WhereAreMahDragonz
Day 3 ends:
Automated vote tally here
11 votes for majority
TheWorthyEdge (2)
Burbeting 2284
Lone_Prodigy 2286
Verelios (1)
Kyanrute 2438
Swamped (1)
Sorian 2266
acohrs (1)
flatearthpandas 2293
CCS (1)
StanleyPalmtree 2390
*Splinter (1)
Gorlak 2426
Bronx-Man (0):
No active vote for Day 3: *Splinter, acohrs (has previously voted), Blargonaut, Bronx-Man, CCS, Faddy, franconp, Kawl_USC, nin1000, Swamped, TheWorthyEdge, Verelios, WhereAreMahDragonz
Day 3 ends:
Automated vote tally here
11 votes for majority
I'm sticking by wanting Vere or WAMD, less sure of my Sorian read than those two. Will probably go Vere given he seems to be the more widely scumread.
flatearthpandas
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No need to say anything, matey. I do think you're okay with the slow state of the game though. Interested to see what blarg does end of day. I'm reading town there right now.
I won't argue too hard against a Vere lynch because there is something to be learned from it but I think Acorns is more likely to flip scum.
I won't argue too hard against a Vere lynch because there is something to be learned from it but I think Acorns is more likely to flip scum.
The bolded is pretty obvious. Beside that, if Bronx was lying about the claim the worst thing that a real poison doctor could do was counter him. He could stay in the sidelines and let Bronx take all the heat while he cures.
I would like to know that to. I don't consider myself in the coasters group so I would love to hear some reasons. I'm not feeling so good about WAMD. All this recent strings of posts and reads are really weak and the answers she is giving even worse.
I will vote for who is my top scum now and move it if needed before deadline:
VOTE: TheWorthyEdge
I really don't like his answers under pressure. He is trying to hard to not engage in a discussion.
Who is this aimed at? I assume me because of your vote?
I think it's at Sorian.
flatearthpandas
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Fran's on it, was for Sorian. You still working on your big one there?
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What's the hard decision?
Read list for now of players that I think are most suspicious, will finish read list later before dayend if possible, otherwise tomorrow.
*Splinter [m] - lean scum, on first glance at just vote lists, has voted for both town lynches so far that have turned out to be town. One out of two players so far that has done this and this point has not been discussed in detail.
Sorian [m] - lean scum, has voted for both town lynches so far that have turned out to be town. From a meta perspective, Sorian in a few recent mafia game has been targeted N1 because he is usually someone that leads town discussion. The fact that he hasn't been targeted in 2 night phases is very worrying from a meta POV
Blargonaut [m] - lean scum, at best neutral. Not much to say here, his posts don't really tell much except that he's missing his person and looking for it. Seems more interested in this than finding scum. Consistent in his voting for Crab, good or bad sign who knows?
Verelios [m] - lean town, voted Kalor D1 and Crab D2. See D1 lynch as meh since D1, see D2 lynch as a it's either him or me. Rereading his posts from D2, a lot of them seem defensive and answering questions. Has some tiffs with CCS and Kyanrute, doesn't throw shade or make them lynch targets despite being one of the main lynch targets himself, so doesn't scream scum trying to shift attention to me.
Kyanrute [m] - scum or neutral, reading back, there's a few post (712, 714, 719), where Kyan doesn't want CCS to bring up neutral factions because D1 and then doesn't want to discuss it with Faddy. Looks weird in hindsight, why does it matter when it's D1 and why not discuss alternative factions, surely town has to eliminate ALL threats, not just scum. Then in post 732, says that he expects a lot of night kills, a populate scum team, and a fair share of neutrals? Why the flip flop? Then again 746, says neutral team is a possibility but not likely. Sounds like he knows something and is just trying to muddy the waters.
Also this 'Iirc I still have a vote on gry, did that because of low amount of appearances I think. Gry comments on the recent issues and offers the woe is me of small post count defense what I don't still like. Taking cover even before shots have been fired. but then again he writes in silly way sometimes forgetting that capital letters exist so he must be nice' Makes me feel like I'm looking at scummates. Mentions scum friend but doesn't do anything about it.
Gorlak [m] - scum, didn't like Gryvan's play D1 and his vote on me looked like a OMGUS after someone put some serious heat on him. Gorlak hasn't done anything to change my mind, if anything he's playing it much safer and blending in. Nothing special to see, which after my initial thoughts of Gryvan, doesn't make me trust them anymore. Also, kyan's post suggests a connection.
Based on these views, I throw my vote on...
Vote: *Splinter
Would happily switch my vote to any of the ones listed above though except Vere, only added him to show why I think he's town
*Splinter [m] - lean scum, on first glance at just vote lists, has voted for both town lynches so far that have turned out to be town. One out of two players so far that has done this and this point has not been discussed in detail.
Sorian [m] - lean scum, has voted for both town lynches so far that have turned out to be town. From a meta perspective, Sorian in a few recent mafia game has been targeted N1 because he is usually someone that leads town discussion. The fact that he hasn't been targeted in 2 night phases is very worrying from a meta POV
Blargonaut [m] - lean scum, at best neutral. Not much to say here, his posts don't really tell much except that he's missing his person and looking for it. Seems more interested in this than finding scum. Consistent in his voting for Crab, good or bad sign who knows?
Verelios [m] - lean town, voted Kalor D1 and Crab D2. See D1 lynch as meh since D1, see D2 lynch as a it's either him or me. Rereading his posts from D2, a lot of them seem defensive and answering questions. Has some tiffs with CCS and Kyanrute, doesn't throw shade or make them lynch targets despite being one of the main lynch targets himself, so doesn't scream scum trying to shift attention to me.
Kyanrute [m] - scum or neutral, reading back, there's a few post (712, 714, 719), where Kyan doesn't want CCS to bring up neutral factions because D1 and then doesn't want to discuss it with Faddy. Looks weird in hindsight, why does it matter when it's D1 and why not discuss alternative factions, surely town has to eliminate ALL threats, not just scum. Then in post 732, says that he expects a lot of night kills, a populate scum team, and a fair share of neutrals? Why the flip flop? Then again 746, says neutral team is a possibility but not likely. Sounds like he knows something and is just trying to muddy the waters.
Also this 'Iirc I still have a vote on gry, did that because of low amount of appearances I think. Gry comments on the recent issues and offers the woe is me of small post count defense what I don't still like. Taking cover even before shots have been fired. but then again he writes in silly way sometimes forgetting that capital letters exist so he must be nice' Makes me feel like I'm looking at scummates. Mentions scum friend but doesn't do anything about it.
Gorlak [m] - scum, didn't like Gryvan's play D1 and his vote on me looked like a OMGUS after someone put some serious heat on him. Gorlak hasn't done anything to change my mind, if anything he's playing it much safer and blending in. Nothing special to see, which after my initial thoughts of Gryvan, doesn't make me trust them anymore. Also, kyan's post suggests a connection.
Based on these views, I throw my vote on...
Vote: *Splinter
Would happily switch my vote to any of the ones listed above though except Vere, only added him to show why I think he's town
Cool, finished my initial read list, on reading back, just listed ones I thought were most scummy for now and a defence for Vere as town since I'm worried he will be lynched.
Also, Jaysus Christ playing proper town takes so fecking long. Have to filter thread by one poster but only shows a snippet of the post so have to click in if you want to see the whole thing. Then you've got to cross reference posts with the vote list. This is more work than a job!!
Shite fourth post sorry, in my reads list post, I said I'd post only most suspicious at top. However I should have added that I posted a bit on Vere's defence too, I mentioned this at the bottom and my post to FlatEarthPandas but should have put it at top of that post. Stupid no editz...
Neutral factions are very rare and tend to be found in more absurd games. So far the most extreme roles in the game have been the poisoner and the poison doc (assuming it even exists) and those are only a step away from standard. Discussion beyond the slightest mention that a neutral team is a very small possibility is a waste of time when there is no evidence to suggest that a neutral team exists.
Don't see how you connect the idea of multiple neutrals with the idea that the neutrals would be allied. I only suggested the possibility of multiple neutrals andor a populated scum team based on the size of the game - there is no flip, no flop. The lack of kills so far has lessened the possibility somewhat.
and the gry comment was made when i was drunk enough to consider checking the vote record too much of a burden so instead of doing that i just wrote it like i did
How did my d2 and d3 affect your read on me or is your read mostly based on day one?
lol
If I didn't already, I'd scumread acohrs just for repeating this nonsense argument. It's equally valid for Burb, Kawl, Fran, and (town!) Crab.
I would accept it's concerning that none of those have been killed (except Crab who was lynched), but I doubt they're all scum and yet several people are already zeroing in on Sorian's survival.
Just remembered Natiko was the N1 kill, and you could probably add him to the meta list of likely N1 targets. The N2 kill, Kalor, is weird enough that I still suspect a switcher (or some other PR) was involved.
I guess you are referring to Gorlak's entrance? The shitpost-vote-summary thing? That's just meta.
Meh, I did an initial reads list and shared my thoughts. Agree or disagree that's fine, hoped that it would help facilitate discussion since we've only 5 pages of new posts since D3 start.
If you want to lynch me over it then fine, get to leave this boring game with all you boring nonshitposters.
Also @Kyan, your back and forth from D2 with Vere was worrying. I can understand Vere's need to be defensive, but I don't understand your reason.
If you want to lynch me over it then fine, get to leave this boring game with all you boring nonshitposters.
Also @Kyan, your back and forth from D2 with Vere was worrying. I can understand Vere's need to be defensive, but I don't understand your reason.
Checking in now from a busy weekend.
I'm never going to be a big poster for a strictly eeekend day phase, sorry sorian.
Holy shit is that a disagreeable post from acohrs. I can understand coming to different conclusions from the same data set, but not every single one almost.
Being wrong isn't scummy, not to mention vere gets benefit of the doubt regarding his day one vote being on kalot a now confirmed town, but sorian and splinter don't?
Seems like you are trying to throw shade on to some bigger posters and away from verelios to me here. Will reconsider what that says about vere if/when you flip
Vote: acohrs
I'm never going to be a big poster for a strictly eeekend day phase, sorry sorian.
Holy shit is that a disagreeable post from acohrs. I can understand coming to different conclusions from the same data set, but not every single one almost.
Being wrong isn't scummy, not to mention vere gets benefit of the doubt regarding his day one vote being on kalot a now confirmed town, but sorian and splinter don't?
Seems like you are trying to throw shade on to some bigger posters and away from verelios to me here. Will reconsider what that says about vere if/when you flip
Vote: acohrs
More of the same busted logic, waving away something in veres post only to jump on it for someone else.
Good luck with my town flip then
My reason to do what? I imagine you are talking about my reaction to Vere's Crab vote post. If you wonder about specifics, ask.
Overall, when I saw the post I was certain that Vere was not interested in an actual discussion. Personal experience, people who defend themselves like that rarely do, be it in mafia or real life. What told me this? The fact that instead of defending himself and discussing the accusations I made he chose to call it all garbage and chose the aggressive antagonizing way, contributing nothing. Thus, the reaction. But because one never can be sure about people, I gave him the one chance to find some posts for me so we could have an actual meaningful discussion. A chance not worth giving, as I found out.
You mention you felt that Vere's reaction was understandable. What part of it?
Holy shit this is such a bad response and you get why right. As town you should at least be clear on your logic and try to make sure it's consistent and whenever it isn't consistent or you aren't following logic, you can say "it's a gut read what can you do??"
In a scenario in which you flip town, yours becomes one of the few opinions anyone can trust beyond their own to be a good faith attempt. But if before that you throw out bad logic don't even put a gutTM disclaimer on it, and tell people to take a hike IM TOWN it makes basically everything you've posted worthless.
So which is it? Town actively trying to minimize the help they are providing or scum?
Convince me, I'm open to it. I would really like to lynch scum today instead of hitting frustrated town again.
Vere's response seems in keeping with someone that was nearly lynched yesterday, desperate and reactionary. That's what I see when I reread that section
What? Vere was not under any threat on day one. Alternatively, if you mean to say that Vere's reaction made sense given the lynch threat on him at the time of the reaction, I disagree. There was no guarantee that Vere would be Crab's dance partner when Vere voted.. Vere's vote made the race a 7-3-2-2 / Crab-Vere-Swamped-CCS and I'd argue that it wasn't until LP's vote at t-minus 30 when the Vere train really started.
Blarg asks me to role-claim and then tells me I shouldn't have. Was he looking for townie points? This inconsistency is ringing alarm bells. Also, in the post above he starts off with all these assumptions that Crab is scum. But then near the end he says 'Honestly I can't say [what it means for Crab's alignment]'. Basically he writes that whole post assuming Crab is scummy, but then avoids giving an actual read on him at the very end (he could be town PR etc).
Blarg also insisted that Crab reveal his role, and it was done very flippantly.
Swamped pls
pls explain "chocolate pudding"
I have no idea why Blarg is going after chocolate pudding so much. Are you hungry blarg? Are they not feeding you well? Regardless, this post feels like he's trying to find a reason to throw suspicion on me in the most Blarg of ways. It feels scummy.
Role-fishing. I'm not saying what I did last night.
Scum-lean on Blarg. Would definitely consider voting for him.
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??? I was reading through Blrg and saw this odd post from Dragonz.
I just read Splinter's explanation. Sorry, I guess I misunderstood. But it wasn't clear at all that you were addressing Gorlak, in fact it looked like you were addressing me.
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I'm inclined to believe gut reads like this, especially since i'm leaning town on CCS. I'm leaning slightly town on acohrs as well. I agree with his reads on Splinter and Blarg, but I don't like his reasoning for his Sorian or Vere read. Disagree with his read on Kyan and Gorlak.
OK, now I see why you jumped on Vere, that's much more understandable, thank you.
OK, I'm willing to engage with anyone that doesn't throw my reads under a bridge after spending an hour or two rereading and making them.
What do you want to discuss?
To claim or not to claim. Since i do not know what would be the better decision.
I see lots of suspicion on Verelios and honestly I haven't been paying too much attention to him, although I understand the scum-reads. He was being pretty defensive during times in which a townie probably would not have that same reaction. Looks like the main Vere lynch-wanters are Kyan and CCS. I think I trust them.
Wold it put you at risk for his benefit? Or are you at risk already and need to claim for your own benefit? If the latter, then yes. If the former, then no.
Since i have been poisoned, i doubt that i will survive the following night. Scum getting rid of Bronx = -2 players.
Can you explain more the two inconsistencies I've mentioned already. Basically in terms of one of only two people to have voted on two townies who got lynched for splinter and sorian, why does that not apply to vere with votes on crab and kalor?
And kyan (I think) posted above that vere wasn't super close to the leading wagon when their whole shit exchange occurred. With that in mind, why did you feel that veres response was reasonable but kyans wasn't?
Does claiming help in any way town? Do you have info that could help catch scum or confirm a townie?
If not keep it to yourself.
Missed Vere's vote on Kalor, only had looked on the vote list for those lynched and cross referenced each of those two lists. That's actually the best argument I've seen so far for Vere's lynch I think, so I'm willing to admit that my read of Vere might be based on a wrong assumption of him being scared of being lynched like Crab and Bronx were on D1 and D2. Based on that assumption, I reread his posts with that narrative in my mind. From Splinter's, Kyan's, and your responses now, I see that I might have been reading with an existing bias in mind, so thank you for correcting me there. I can now understand why others want Vere lynched.