Gallup: RNC convention resulted in loss of support instead of gain. First time ever.

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Volimar said:
He wears a boot on his head.
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Amazing

For some reason I didn't believe that it was a literal boot. I even tried to rationalize it as "well maybe he retrofitted a boot to be a hat"

No, he just put a boot on his head.
 
the RNC resulting into negative dip + a week of Donald going off script against the Khan family probably has cemented his doom for November
 
benjipwns said:
He said Trump lost him well before the RNC. He watched it to see if he could be won back.

He might have supported him a little at that point when all the other candidates were pure shit and Trump was at least new and surely he can't screw up worse than this can he?

I know some Hillary voters who were initially in that stage until late Fall 2015. (One also liked Carson. No, it wasn't HUELEN10.)
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But Trump has been a racist, intellectually bereft business failure, carny barker, daughter peddler and liar for almost forty years in the public eye. It's not like he became one of the worst people on earth a month ago.
 
at the time i thought the convention was a "success" on virtue of not being a 5 alarm dumpster fire. but i guess it was a lot of people's first foray into the insanity, not everybody follows every newsfeed
 
Stinkles said:
But Trump has been a racist, intellectually bereft business failure, carny barker, daughter peddler and liar for almost forty years in the public eye. It's not like he became one of the worst people on earth a month ago.
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He was running in the 2016 Republican primaries. People like outsiders.
 
FuturusX said:
Not this shittu again!!!!
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I'm sorry?

Stinkles said:
The fact that this racist, intellectually bereft business failure and Carney barker had you in the first place, says a lot more about you than your email principles.
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Yep. I'm a xenophobe and racist... you're a dick.

TyrantII said:
Legit question. How do you feels about prior SOS utilizing private email servers, and/or attacks on diplomats under other presidents.

I honestly don't really get how/what Clinton did was much different than BAU to prior administrations, besides the focus on it. Not that it wasn't wrong or that things should be changed.
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Bottom line is that protecting classified information saves the lives of those who serve this country and the citizens. Changes must be made.

QuantumZebra said:
If this is implying you're in IT consutling/ITSec, then as someone in the same field, you should know how clueless 30-something exectives are... what would you expect from a grandmother?

Not to mention it would be on her IT team, not her. I've had to explain to CFOs that they shouldn't send unsecured e-mails from gmail with credit card/checking account #'s in them.
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I know from my profession that the government doesn't follow the guidelines set forth by DSS.

xxracerxx said:
What is your profession?
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I won't say.

A Link to the Past said:
As a fellow Minnesotan, I can't help but find it a little gross that the RNC was the tipping point, that you actively wanted to see a Trump presidency for any period of time. Trump at his worst well predates the RNC.
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I was naive in thinking his tactics prior to the RNC was just to win the nomination.
 
Steel said:
They've hit rock bottom on crazy. They can only go up from here.
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Um.... well I keep thinking that and they keep getting crazier... so... I wouldn't count your chickens until they are hatched. I mean I thought their bringing out Palin was pretty damned out there and the last nomination they had for presidential candidate was pretty crazy with some really out there candidates getting the spotlight... and then you had this one.
 
PackerinMN said:
He definitely was a demagogue but he needed that large Honey Boo Boo, Duck Dynasty portion of the base to win the nom and he did it.
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That you're OK with the fact that Republicans need pander to those crazies is the most worrisome thing here.

How do you think reasonable conversation can happen when you have a sect of the party that lives is crazytown? As far as I'm concerned anybody that supports this party has implicitly done a figurative deal with the devil.
 
Tigress said:
Um.... well I keep thinking that and they keep getting crazier... so... I wouldn't count your chickens until they are hatched. I mean I thought their bringing out Palin was pretty damned out there and the last nomination they had for presidential candidate was pretty crazy with some really out there candidates getting the spotlight... and then you had this one.
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now there's a name I haven't heard in a while, along with the rest of the tea party cretins. They seem to be a nonfactor this go around.
 
tuxfool said:
That you're OK with the fact that Republicans need pander to those crazies is the most worrisome thing here.

How do you think reasonable conversation can happen when you have a sect of the party that lives is crazytown? As far as I'm concerned anybody that supports this party has implicitly done a figurative deal with the devil.
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I'm saying that he had a clear and easy path to victory by inciting the dredges of society. I didn't think that was actually just who he is.

Once the mess of the RNC came and went, it was clear that he's not some kind of evil genius; he's just evil. Which is one of the many reasons he lost support after the RNC.
 
PackerinMN said:
I'm saying that he had a clear and easy path to victory by inciting the dredges of society. I didn't think that was actually just who he is.

Once the mess of the RNC came and went, it was clear that he's not some kind of evil genius; he's just evil. Which is one of the many reasons he lost support after the RNC.
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"Birther" and his long long history of this kind of nonsense should really have clued you in.
 
It doesn't matter what the statisticians say the ratings are. As long as the base feels like the ratings were good that's all that matters.
 
PackerinMN said:
He definitely was a demagogue but he needed that large Honey Boo Boo, Duck Dynasty portion of the base to win the nom and he did it.



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go away
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I'm not going away. In fact, I've fixed the layout of your response for you.

Here's what you did - you said you supported a racist, disgusting embarrassment to the country, who, for forty years, has being saying and doing the most outrageous and despicable things, pretty much non stop. He's been sued for refusing to rent properties to black people. He's been sued for stealing wages from both legal and illegal immigrants in his employ.

He's said the most outrageously racist, xenophobic and misogynistic things, for decades, but also for months leading up to the convention. His popularity thrived on the racism. But you stopped supporting him at the convention. I never called you a racist or a xenophobe, I correctly pointed out that you supported one.

And now you're the victim of an unprovoked insult? Really? Poor you. Poor oppressed you.

But you did call me a dick.
 
A Link to the Past said:
I was pointing out your misuse of a gif

And others, myself included, have been criticizing you for supporting Trump in the first place and not doing proper research into him.
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... But i did... eventually... and I clearly do not support him. I wasn't out there knocking on doors for the guy handing out leaflets.

If the election was to be contested in the state of Minnesota, I would vote for Hillary. Even though I do not want to. Since she will win without me, I'm voting third party. It's my life, I do what I want.
 
PackerinMN said:
... But i did... eventually... and I clearly do not support him. I wasn't out there knocking on doors for the guy handing out leaflets.

If the election was to be contested in the state of Minnesota, I would vote for Hillary. Even though I do not want to. Since she will win without me, I'm voting third party. It's my life, I do what I want.
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Nobody's telling you what to do. Just expressing either disbelief or sadness that you could support the guy with his very public record. It didn't take research, basically every news headline for the last six months has contained a vile, disqualifying statement from the dude's own unintelligible motormouth. As for the bolded above, I actually fully appreciate that and don't blame you at all.

And I will make an appeal to you, since you're a republican and don't support racist demagoguery. Make sure your party officials in your state realize this. Make them fix their shit. We are burdened with a pathetic two party system, so both parties have to be at least rational. When one is comically villainous, panders to racists and is furthermore totally inept, we have a one and a half party system and it's undemocratic.
 
PackerinMN said:
... But i did... eventually... and I clearly do not support him. I wasn't out there knocking on doors for the guy handing out leaflets.

If the election was to be contested in the state of Minnesota, I would vote for Hillary. Even though I do not want to. Since she will win without me, I'm voting third party. It's my life, I do what I want.
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If you don't want to actually talk about anything you brought up, why do you stick around and play victim? So you make poor political choices for reasons you are unable to explain. Big deal, so do lots of people. Just take the L.
 
PackerinMN said:
... But i did... eventually... and I clearly do not support him. I wasn't out there knocking on doors for the guy handing out leaflets.

If the election was to be contested in the state of Minnesota, I would vote for Hillary. Even though I do not want to. Since she will win without me, I'm voting third party. It's my life, I do what I want.
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I mean, I like to think that I was pretty polite and understanding about it; and I think people were just trying to punctuate how bad supporting Trump is. It's like when your parents get mad at you - even if you're very clearly sorry, you gotta really emphasize it. It's not only for your sake, but for the forum's. Everyone, undoubtedly, appreciates that you aren't voting for Trump and that you're not voting for a third-party in a swing state. I will note however that MN is a battleground state, so it's not as safe to vote third-party in MN as it is in, say, Cali.
 
A Link to the Past said:
I mean, I like to think that I was pretty polite and understanding about it; and I think people were just trying to punctuate how bad supporting Trump is. It's like when your parents get mad at you - even if you're very clearly sorry, you gotta really emphasize it. It's not only for your sake, but for the forum's. Everyone, undoubtedly, appreciates that you aren't voting for Trump and that you're not voting for a third-party in a swing state. I will note however that MN is a battleground state, so it's not as safe to vote third-party in MN as it is in, say, Cali.
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I'm willing to bet she wins by at least 200,000 votes in MN.
 
A Link to the Past said:
I mean, I like to think that I was pretty polite and understanding about it; and I think people were just trying to punctuate how bad supporting Trump is. It's like when your parents get mad at you - even if you're very clearly sorry, you gotta really emphasize it. It's not only for your sake, but for the forum's. Everyone, undoubtedly, appreciates that you aren't voting for Trump and that you're not voting for a third-party in a swing state. I will note however that MN is a battleground state, so it's not as safe to vote third-party in MN as it is in, say, Cali.
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Uhhh... you're talking about Minnesota, right? The same Minnesota that hasn't gone red since 1972?
 
A Link to the Past said:
I mean, I like to think that I was pretty polite and understanding about it; and I think people were just trying to punctuate how bad supporting Trump is. It's like when your parents get mad at you - even if you're very clearly sorry, you gotta really emphasize it. It's not only for your sake, but for the forum's. Everyone, undoubtedly, appreciates that you aren't voting for Trump and that you're not voting for a third-party in a swing state. I will note however that MN is a battleground state, so it's not as safe to vote third-party in MN as it is in, say, Cali.
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MN has never been a battleground state. It is literally the most reliably democratic voting state in the nation, historically. 1984 election map:


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Regarding the "battleground" status of this election, MN was the only state to pick Rubio:

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Trump may literally have the least chance in MN versus any other state. Battleground my ass.
 
Not surprised that Donald Trump is crashing faster than the Hindenburg. At no point in good conscience have I been able to support him as a Christian despite the usual platitudes from his campaign base. Not only does he live in complete antithesis to the values I support, but he has shown time and again that his demeanor is not suited to hold any kind of office where human lives are at stake.
 
biggersmaller said:
MN has never been a battleground state. It is literally the most reliably democratic voting state in the nation, historically. 1984 election map:


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Regarding the "battleground" status of this election, MN was the only state to pick Rubio:

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Trump may literally have the least chance in MN versus any other state. Battleground my ass.
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Mondale was a US Senator from Minnesota and a VP, it was inevitable that he would have won MN
 
Trump is really making Hillary look good. She is the luckiest nominee ever to go up against such a disaster of a candidate.
 
Starphoenix said:
Not surprised that Donald Trump is crashing faster than the Hindenburg. At no point in good conscience have I been able to support him as a Christian despite the usual platitudes from his campaign base. Not only does he live in complete antithesis to the values I support, but he has shown time and again that his demeanor is not suited to hold any kind of office where human lives are at stake.
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I do wonder where his polling levels are at with evangelicals.
 
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