Humdinger
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Thanks. I'm no fan of MS, but people do like to cherry-pick quotes in order to fan the flames.
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I'd say another factor is that there are lots of people who work on games but don't have an input on platform strategy. So the people Dring is talking to might not be the people who decide if a game comes to Xbox or not.
Out of curiosity, why do you think the format he has chosen is awful?
Seeing you say this is very telling as you have been less bullish on Xbox.That's by far the biggest issue here, not the lack of numbers of consoles out there but the conditioning GP has had in people not buying games
Xbox brass brought this onto itself
The Xbox crew has been telling us for YEARS that Final Fantasy games were coming to Xbox...but they're still not here. Why?Couple of issues people were calling out forever ago:
Gamepass has conditioned a large part of the consumer base to just not buy games.
Gamepass has also started the conditioning of studios relying on a Gamepass deal to make an xbox version worthwhile, which is an issues we have not see truly bust wide open for a year or two. (I could be wrong here, and honestly hope I am, but how many studios have seen the sweet GP deals given to companies like Sega and Square and thought "maybe if we withhold we'll also get a sweet deal?")
The Xbox crew has been telling us for YEARS that Final Fantasy games were coming to Xbox...but they're still not here. Why?
LOL.
And here we are, past that date, being the Xbox console with the best third-party support in history and with every game announced for 2026+ coming to Xbox, when supposedly by now we should be seeing massive cancellations or games that not coming to Xbox...
Judging by the article, it actually sounds more like there are developers who aren't happy with Xbox bringing their first-party games to other platforms because it makes things more difficult for them. Because for them, a situation where MS's first-party games stay on Xbox consoles (which would "help" increase the Xseries' user base) would be better, allowing them to have a larger number of potential users and less competition. MS needs to do things to resolve the clash between his interests and those of his partners (devs and Studios).
Healthy reminder - you're wrong.Healthy reminder. You will never get access to all 1st party Microsoft games on PS5.
Gears of War 2 and 3 still aren't on PC and they have been in port everything mode for PC for a long time. Old Forza games will only ever be accessible through emulation. I guess an official x360 emulator on PS5 isnt impossible but I wouldn't hold my breath.Healthy reminder - you're wrong
Nope. Sorry.Healthy reminder - you're wrong.
The big issue isn't just the dwindling sales numbers, those can be largely overcome if you can get a gamepass deal, which a lot of devs don't have much trouble with.
The real big elephant in the room is sort of related to what Spencer was saying about Sony taking their %30 to use against them via exclusivity deals etc.
Well in this case Microsoft is asking its 3P partners to give them ports (which cost money) and to give them %30 of all transactions, they are then turning around and using that gamepass and sales revenue to compete with developers on more lucrative platforms like Playstation, Nintendo and Steam.
There's an inherent contradiction between being a big platform player and a big 3P player, and Microsoft is likely finding that out in real time.
In all honesty I wanted Xbox to thrive for a few reasonsSeeing you say this is very telling as you have been less bullish on Xbox.
And people wonder why I root for the death of Gamepass and why its a cancer. It is a great deal if you are willing to put up with the Windows Store and Xbox app on PC (they aren't that bad)
Gamepass is a parasite that is keeping Xbox alive, while at the same time killing it. It cannot be overrstated how much of failure it is when Call of Duty, failed to move the needle in a meaningful way.
I wont be surprised if the next Call of Duty is not a Day 1 title and it goes back to Playstation marketting like we're already Blops6 PS5 bundles. That is something I found absolutely unfathomable even last year.
On another note, my Gamepass subscription has finally expired and I will not be renewing. This basically enabled me to get my fully debloated Windows 11 IoT LTSC running as a Steam machine.
Does it really matter though? I know it might for some of the most passionate about old games. But isn't that an extremely small minority of gamers?Nope. Sorry.
If you want to think about it seriously, try figure out how that will happen when not even all games can be accessed anymore for new owners on Series consoles.
You think they'll dig out old contracts and start pay up for new licensing deals and start porting delisted titles like Forza Horizon 1-4 for PS5?
You think they'll create an emulator for PS5 to run your old games for Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One? You think you'll even be able to run the discs?
You think the no longer available emulation team will be revived to get frameboosted Xbox One titles running on PS5?
And what about games from studios no longer around?
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Nope. As said you'll get the new games and select old titles. That's it.
And that's exactly why oldtimer Xbox fans with big libraries of games going back 20 years aren't overly positive about Xbox ever fully merging into their PC Xbox App. It's literally not possible. You'll never get it all. Can't be done. At best they'll try fooling you with cloud streaming but it's not like everything is available there.
I wanted Xbox to succeed when they actually wanted to succeed.In all honesty I wanted Xbox to thrive for a few reasons
First I think healthy competition is good for any business for the consumers and we haven't had real competition for quite awhile now
Second and kind of selfishly I have some good friends there and a couple who are no longer there and one was done super dirty in the end after what he accomplished for them so not super thrilled with them as of late
Sadly I truly love Gamepass and Play Anywhere but I also buy titles when I know I am going to enjoy a game but I also know things are tight for a lot of people and for many its just not feasible to buy games AND pay for GP so since GP did not have the affect the wanted numbers wise they are in trouble.
It absolutely matters in the context of saying that all games will be accessed on a different platform. And it matters for those who actually for real consider doing a platform transition. For Xbox to PS, as well as PS to PC. It just ain't happening. Not fully. I've tried it, you end wishing for ports that'll likely never come.Does it really matter though? I know it might for some of the most passionate about old games. But isn't that an extremely small minority of gamers?
It absolutely matters in the context of saying that all games will be accessed on a different platform. And it matters for those who actually for real consider doing a platform transition. For Xbox to PS, as well as PS to PC. It just ain't happening. Not fully. I've tried it, you end wishing for ports that'll likely never come.
But if you only play new games, or the biggest games in a serie, then great, your PS5 and PC is now your Xbox, and likewise your PC is now your PS5. Sometimes late ports, sometimes day 1, varied results, but you'll get access to the games.
I think that is the point. Come up with some really stupid idea and get someone to quote it and now people will click on your site out of sheer whatthefuckism. If people aren't buying games on Xbox because Gamepass has enough for them to be satisfied then that makes sense, but then so does putting the game on gamepass once sales are meh.This doesn't make sense.
"MS are releasing Forza Horizon on PS5, so what's the point of releasing our game on xbox?"
I mean it would still be the same reason - the millions of Xbox owners.
Oh, ok. If you're talking about old games, sure. But, why would anyone buy a next-generation Xbox console just to play old 360 games?Nope. As said you'll get the new games and select old titles. That's it.
Chris Dring has zero sources. This is the same Chris Dring who has sources tell him "Game Pass was dying, no one wants to be on it" and they proceeded to announce like 25 Game Pass games at the showcase. I imagine he's been talking to the Quantum Error devs.
Depends on how much it costs to port vs how many they expect.Developing a PS5 game is exactly the fucking same. x86 AMD SoC with slight degrees of varying power. It's silly not to put their games on an Xbox console.
Also, those said companies wouldn't be allowed on windows, so good luck to you.
It's not the same. The fact that both consoles are using x86 CPUs and similar GPUs means nothing, the majority of differences come from APIs (which are completely different) and h/w capabilities (which are different enough for consoles to be different h/w targets).Developing a PS5 game is exactly the fucking same. x86 AMD SoC with slight degrees of varying power. It's silly not to put their games on an Xbox console.
Also, those said companies wouldn't be allowed on windows, so good luck to you.
There's so many games I would FOR SURE lose from my library if I went off Xbox hardware.Healthy reminder. You will never get access to all 1st party Microsoft games on PS5.
Even if you stream through cloud you'll stumble upon games that you can't access.
Running natively you'll at best get the new games and select old games.
The reality is that many ganes are delisted, like most past Forza Motorsport and Horizon titles, and some are just too small to get ported, some have closed studios, some are made by studios too busy to go back to old titles. Etc.
So, if Xbox games is what you want then a MS platform is what you'll want. Same as with PlayStation titles and PC ports. You'll never get the complete thing elsewhere. I use my PC as a PlayStation 5 now but I can't play GT7, Astrobot, Demon's Souls. Ports could arrive, but nothing is certain and shouldn't be expected.
Such a terrrrrrible take. Yeesh. You have no idea how much impact they've had on console gaming since 2001. Such a ridiculous/ silly comment that misses the mark completely, and has no knowledge of console games history.Microsoft just needs to go away entirely. Windows and Xbox suck.
Ahhh, there's that important context that gaming forums don't tend to like!Should be edited into the OP.
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Nope. As said you'll get the new games and select old titles. That's it.
Xbox has one more cycle in it, for sure. PS and Nintendo, eh, maybe 2?Ahhh, there's that important context that gaming forums don't tend to like!
I think so too but the full transition isn't doable.Moving forward you can count on all Xbox games being day 1 on PS5 and PC.
There will be games like GTA6 that don't show up on PC until a year or two down the line.
I'm skeptical of a lot of people moving from say XSX to PS5. I've yet to see any real evidence of that (and I don't think DS2 and Ghost of Yotei are going to be the games that spark this). I think maybe many have moved from X1 to PS5. The next 18-24 months in gaming will probably define the next 5-10 years of gaming.
They aren't? Hmmm. I guess anyone could just post anything regardless of whether it has any basis or not. Interesting time to be alive, for sure.Just as nobody is buying the Xbox now to play old or even new games.
I use my Series X all the time, it's my primary console. Switch is usually just for Nintendo games (sometimes indies), but it's ancient of course.I think so too but the full transition isn't doable.
I've tried Xbox to PC and I accepted that I need a Xbox for the complete Xbox experience. It's really just the biggest games that gets ported and then there is the delisting and closed studios etc.
I guess there is a small chance that they'll be able to update the Xbox App to play legacy Xbox titles, that would ramp up the library, but I don't see how they can move over the entire library.
And Xbox to PS will be worse no doubt.
So in the end my Series X stays. Even if it's been collecting dust for like a year…
And PS to PC, I've tried that as well. Currently waiting for Stellar Blade, GT7, Demon's Souls and Astrobot to complete my PS5 library. Cool. But what about PS1-PS4? There is like a handful of ports from PS4, otherwise it's a wasteland.
So I still have a dusty Pro on a shelf and have no plans to get rid of it.
Yes I know there are unofficial emulators. But sometimes you just want a serious and convenient plug and play official experience and not some janky bedroom coder app.
Yep. There are plenty of games that are solely on Xbox hardware that I care too much about to not have one of their consoles in my house. My Series X sees just as much use as my PC does, perhaps even more during the work week.There's so many games I would FOR SURE lose from my library if I went off Xbox hardware.%.
Not to mention Series controllers are literally my favorite game controllers. Ever. And i absolutely detest PS controllers. Particularly the Dual Sense. It's moving in the wrong direction, if anything. Gross.
You think people buy Xbox? You think 3 million last year is a significant figure? Brace yourself for less than 2 million they're selling this year.They aren't? Hmmm. I guess anyone could just post anything regardless of whether it has any basis or not. Interesting time to be alive, for sure.![]()
Its actually a great take. They fuck up everything they touch.Such a terrrrrrible take. Yeesh. You have no idea how much impact they've had on console gaming since 2001. Such a ridiculous/ silly comment that misses the mark completely, and has no knowledge of console games history.
Microsofts money is in many ways what damaged Xbox. Lack of money forces you to make hard choices and be creative. Money shielded them from all of that.It's really funny how people used to dismiss valid criticisms of xbox that we've been posting about for years on forums like neogaf, by saying "microsoft is a multibillion dollar company, they know what they're doing, where did you get your business degree, etc". but then other gaming companies in the know are also saying "this is fucking stupid, we don't understand what they're doing either". it's the same situation w/ gamepass. this strategy has been obviously dumb from day 1. it has been a mess for a very long time.
I used to play a lot on my Series X. But after building a couch PC there was no reason to power it on for anything new. Everything is on PC now. Gamepass. Day 1. With better visuals and performance. And mods. And free online.I use my Series X all the time, it's my primary console. Switch is usually just for Nintendo games (sometimes indies), but it's ancient of course.
The interesting thing for me is I've never been huge into any first party Xbox IPs, outside of the occasional Halo but I've not played that in ten years+. I love Xbox for the controllers, the back compat, the online experience, Game Pass, and the Play Anywhere. It's for sure my preferred place to play big games like Hogwarts, Jedi Survivor, Minster Hunter, replaying Witcher 3, Skyrim, Stardew, etc.
I honestly don't see that changing unless im no longer given the option of a new Xbox every 7-8 years. It'll happen someday but not for a long time.
I think so too but the full transition isn't doable.
I've tried Xbox to PC and I accepted that I need a Xbox for the complete Xbox experience. It's really just the biggest games that gets ported and then there is the delisting and closed studios etc.
I guess there is a small chance that they'll be able to update the Xbox App to play legacy Xbox titles, that would ramp up the library, but I don't see how they can move over the entire library.
And Xbox to PS will be worse no doubt.
So in the end my Series X stays. Even if it's been collecting dust for like a year…
And PS to PC, I've tried that as well. Currently waiting for Stellar Blade, GT7, Demon's Souls and Astrobot to complete my PS5 library. Cool. But what about PS1-PS4? There is like a handful of ports from PS4, otherwise it's a wasteland.
So I still have a dusty Pro on a shelf and have no plans to get rid of it.
Yes I know there are unofficial emulators. But sometimes you just want a serious and convenient plug and play official experience and not some janky bedroom coder app.
To hell with them. They turned gaming into work with achievements, added online paywalls and bought and demolished game companies and franchises. There is not a single positive thing that comes to my mind when I think about Microsoft.Such a terrrrrrible take. Yeesh. You have no idea how much impact they've had on console gaming since 2001. Such a ridiculous/ silly comment that misses the mark completely, and has no knowledge of console games history.
You don't realise how bad you have it. Buy a PS5 now and thank me later.I use my Series X all the time, it's my primary console.
Both Sony and Microsoft can gain a lot from the current industry changes.Like I said, don't think that Sony will pick up many XSX owners but given that there are still 30 million Xbox users unaccounted for and maybe some Xbox series s owners, Sony could increase their TAM by over 30 million units if they play their cards right. That puts them into the 150 million area, which would be wild for a system that has really been quite expensive most of its life cycle.
If Sony is smart they won't raise prices in the US until the Xbox is no longer viable at retail.
There are hot takes and then there is whatever delusional rant this is.Its actually a great take. They fuck up everything they touch.
Windows is an absolute shitshow and Linux gaming is growing.
Xbox is an absolute shitshow.
There are so many alternatives to Microsoft products that few would miss them.
Nobody uses their products out of love, but out of nnecessity as someone
Because they have a fucking monopoly you genius.There are hot takes and then there is whatever delusional rant this is.
3 trillion dollar company that does nothing useful? You think people and companies spend $200 billion a year on MS stuff because they are useless?
How can they have a monopoly if there are so many alternatives to their products that nobody would miss them?Because they have a fucking monopoly you genius.
Still that doesn't mean their products aren't shit.