Game Developers celebrating assassination of Charlie Kirk [Update] Sucker Punch Dev Fired, and SP issue statement

Thank God the coward murderer is caught and CK is about to receive justice for this cowardly and brutal act that happened to him. Cowardly act and brutal act must not be justified. Game developers can make there own opinion, but as a human being and with goodness and common sense, there is a fine line between what is good and what is evil and we cannot celebrate cowardly and brutal act and murdering people who actually advocate free and peaceful speech and good debates. That murderer should be labeled as a coward forever and include that to his name and epitaph.
 
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Have Suckerpunch or Sony Cali commented at all yet?
Nope.

I'll give them Monday to release a statement. Maybe they needed a few days to sort this out internally and no point releasing it on a weekend. There's almost no gaming news released on weekends.

If you dont see it Monday, it's not coming.
 
Thank God the coward murderer is caught and CK is about to receive justice for this cowardly and brutal act that happened to him. Cowardly act and brutal act must not be justified. Game developers can make there own opinion, but as a human being and with goodness and common sense, there is a fine line between what is good and what is evil and we cannot celebrate cowardly and brutal act and murdering people who actually advocate free and peaceful speech and good debates.
Whats crazy is actually an additional part two of what you said.

It's bad enough people gloat over a dead political guy (he didnt even have an official government role), but to publicly jump up and down on social media is a weird thing to show to the world. I can see people being proud posting their fav team won a championship or their kid graduated high school, but to cheer a political guy got shot on stage and died is an odd hill to stand on and cheer.

I guess all these people are really confident their views are so widely accepted in good taste, they'll keep their job no problem.
 
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Or, more accurately, "Cancel culture was fine when it was happening to them. It is terrible and wrong now that it's happening to us."

The folks who created the tactic don't get to complain when the pendulum they built swings around to them. What is it they used to say? Oh, I remember. "Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences."
Not to mention..... advocating, endorsing, and celebrating flat out murder of an individual is not even human. The guy had his neck blown off on a live stream and you have people gleefully celebrating it. It's disgusting.
 
Whats crazy is actually an additional part two of what you said.

It's bad enough people gloat over a dead political guy (he didnt even have an official government role), but to publicly jump up and down on social media is a weird thing to show to the world. I can see people being proud posting their fav team won a championship or their kid graduated high school, but to cheer a political guy got shot on stage and died is an odd hill to stand on and cheer.

I guess all these people are really confident their views are so widely accepted in good taste, they'll keep their job no problem.
That coward murderer, should be labeled as coward, a yellow, forever and must be included to his name and epitaph on his grave.
 
One of the worst things about this to me is how so many prominent politicians on the left have refused to take any accountability (like Nancy Pelosi, with Elizabeth Warren and Pritzker even going as far as to blame Trump), while Jasmine Crockett basically confirmed on The Breakfast Club that she would continue to call her political opposition fascists/Nazis.

You want to talk about dog whistles? What the hell do you think happens when you call your opposition "literally Hitler" for years on end? Now we know.
 
Kind of interesting how the cancel culture has been adopted by the people who most cried against it when it first appeared.

I've seen the outcomes (firings mostly) of openly celebrating an assassination labeled as "consequence culture". I think that's very apt as there's a massive difference between that and, for example, going after people for misgendering someone.

I also find it kind of interesting that even in the face of the extremity of a man being killed for having beliefs someone didn't like - there are those who only think of it as an opportunity for lame gotchas.
 
Not a word

The corporate playbook, especially from big companies like say the NFL. You drop negative news you want lost on a Friday.

When it's good news and you want it to be seen, you drop it Monday.

In this case you'd expect if Sony cares, they will drop the news Monday. But they could have their head in the sand hoping it just blows away.

It will be telling to be honest. Cancer infect company, or no backbone.
 
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The corporate playbook, especially from big companies like say the NFL. You drop negative news you want lost on a Friday.

When it's good news and you want it to be seen, you drop it Monday.

In this case you'd expect if Sony cares, they will drop the news Monday. But they could have their head the sand hoping it just blows away. It will be telling to be honest.

Corporations have a way of overthinking this shit so you may be right. Most other corporations have made statements about it. I think Sony's head is in the sand, as you say.
 
Corporations have a way of overthinking this shit so you may be right. Most other corporations have made statements about it. I think Sony's head is in the sand, as you say.

Sony Cali is probably having internal meetings of how much blowback either reactions going to have, doing nothing pissing off everyone who supports your company, doing something pissing off probably half the employees in your office.

I agree with Streets but, if there's nothing by Monday they're hoping it just blows over.
 
Getting a person fired because they hurt someone's feelings is one thing. Getting a person fired because they celebrated the murder of an innocent man is completely fair game as far as I'm concerned.
Arguably it's the same thing - people are responding emotionally to words on a screen and cheering on people getting some kind of comeuppance.

Personally, I think it's a terrible thing that happened but those who are raging at "the left" after someone said a mean comment probably ought to get a grip.

People say awful things after a tragedy every single time. There are always jokes after a disaster. This is par for the course.

I don't know where the invisible line is where saying something obscene in public is, but I don't think that making a very ill advised comment about a terrible thing happening to a politician (or politician adjacent activist) you don't agree with should automatically be grounds for losing a job.

I don't think you're going to shape a positive society by creating a situation where people are worried that they might impulsively say the wrong thing and lose their job for it. I think you also run the risk of creating an oppressive air where the line of what is considered obscene and job-loss-worthy gets more and more intrusive.

In short, I despair somewhat at the way people are blind to the wrongdoings of their own side, as long as it's being done to the other side.
 
Arguably it's the same thing - people are responding emotionally to words on a screen and cheering on people getting some kind of comeuppance.

Personally, I think it's a terrible thing that happened but those who are raging at "the left" after someone said a mean comment probably ought to get a grip.

People say awful things after a tragedy every single time. There are always jokes after a disaster. This is par for the course.

I don't know where the invisible line is where saying something obscene in public is, but I don't think that making a very ill advised comment about a terrible thing happening to a politician (or politician adjacent activist) you don't agree with should automatically be grounds for losing a job.

I don't think you're going to shape a positive society by creating a situation where people are worried that they might impulsively say the wrong thing and lose their job for it. I think you also run the risk of creating an oppressive air where the line of what is considered obscene and job-loss-worthy gets more and more intrusive.

In short, I despair somewhat at the way people are blind to the wrongdoings of their own side, as long as it's being done to the other side.
I'm sure people have been making fun of stuff since the caveman days. One tribe gets a disease and a rival tribe on the other side of the river probably laughed.

Doesnt mean it's ok.

And given that this situation involves a game coming out in 2 or 3 weeks now has some bad PR, which a lot of streamers picked up on and then spiraled into guys like Asmongold trying to compile a list of gaming employees who also laughed at Kirk has now brewed into bad PR for anyone and any company involved.

Why would any company like this nonsense affecting their brand or products?
 
I'm sure people have been making fun of stuff since the caveman days.

Doesnt mean it's ok.
I didn't say it was ok, but it is basically normal enough. People losing their jobs for normal behaviour isn't ok either.
spiraled into guys like Asmongold trying to compile a list of gaming employees
So basically Asmongold is in control of HR policy. Is that ok? Does he get to get upset about something and then decide if people should be fired?
 
I didn't say it was ok, but it is basically normal enough. People losing their jobs for normal behaviour isn't ok either.

So basically Asmongold is in control of HR policy. Is that ok? Does he get to get upset about something and then decide if people should be fired?
And why is it ok to keep their jobs if it makes the company and products get a bad spotlight?

Who said Asmongold is acting as HR? I think all he's doing is compiling names and where they work and it's up to the company to act or it or do nothing. Nobody said just because he sends info that person automatically gets fired like he's their boss. If the company sees some posts and thinks what they said about Charlie Kirk is ok, then they'll keep their job.
 
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And why is it ok to keep their jobs if it makes the company and products get a bad spotlight?

Who said Asmongold is acting as HR?

Because Asmongold is compiling a blacklist based on what he thinks is unacceptable behaviour and that pressure is part of people getting fired. If you don't think it's a little sinister to fear being put on a YouTuber's list because it might mean you lose your livelihood, all because you put a personal opinion out, I don't know what to say.

I'm not celebrating Kirk's death, I said it was a terrible thing to happen.
 
People say awful things after a tragedy every single time.

There's defintely a sense of justice and 'what goes around comes around' with the sword of cancel culture cleaving in the other direction here. But there's more to it than that. This isn't mere tragedy. Kirk didn't get hit by a stray bus or fall fixing his roof. He was murdered for gently expressing his brand of politics, and the response from the far left has been shocking in its scale and grotesqueness. It shouldn't come as a surprise that people want to see that kind of thing exposed and punished, and to collectively say no, it's not ok to shoot people just because you disagree with them.
 
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Because Asmongold is compiling a blacklist based on what he thinks is unacceptable behaviour and that pressure is part of people getting fired. If you don't think it's a little sinister to fear being put on a YouTuber's list because it might mean you lose your livelihood, all because you put a personal opinion out, I don't know what to say.

I'm not celebrating Kirk's death, I said it was a terrible thing to happen.
IMO, you only have something to fear if HR thinks what you said about Charlie Kirk's death is heinous.

For example, why would I ever care if Asmongold found me out and sent HR anything I said. I only have FB and Linkedin accounts and I've never said anything on my profiles about Kirk. And I dont hink I've made fun or said anything bad about Kirk's death being funny on GAF either, if he wanted to compile gaming forum posts of people.

So if I dont have anything to fear, why would anyone else? It's because those people probably said something stupid or made fun he got shot. And that's posts in poor taste.
 
Nope.

I'll give them Monday to release a statement. Maybe they needed a few days to sort this out internally and no point releasing it on a weekend. There's almost no gaming news released on weekends.

If you dont see it Monday, it's not coming.

True.


Arguably it's the same thing - people are responding emotionally to words on a screen and cheering on people getting some kind of comeuppance.

Personally, I think it's a terrible thing that happened but those who are raging at "the left" after someone said a mean comment probably ought to get a grip.

People say awful things after a tragedy every single time. There are always jokes after a disaster. This is par for the course.

I don't know where the invisible line is where saying something obscene in public is, but I don't think that making a very ill advised comment about a terrible thing happening to a politician (or politician adjacent activist) you don't agree with should automatically be grounds for losing a job.

I don't think you're going to shape a positive society by creating a situation where people are worried that they might impulsively say the wrong thing and lose their job for it. I think you also run the risk of creating an oppressive air where the line of what is considered obscene and job-loss-worthy gets more and more intrusive.

In short, I despair somewhat at the way people are blind to the wrongdoings of their own side, as long as it's being done to the other side.

I get what you're saying but the company cannot keep these people (who do evil things) in their company otherwise it will look bad for their business. The BBQ business in Cincinnati and the Electric business in SoCal took a big hit.

We are not saying they have to like the guy but if they feel happy with someone's demise, don't you think it's best to keep it to themselves or to their non online circle instead of posting it publicly?
 
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Because Asmongold is compiling a blacklist based on what he thinks is unacceptable behaviour and that pressure is part of people getting fired. If you don't think it's a little sinister to fear being put on a YouTuber's list because it might mean you lose your livelihood, all because you put a personal opinion out, I don't know what to say.

I'm not celebrating Kirk's death, I said it was a terrible thing to happen.
Leftist were ruining people's lives over a fucking 10 year old tweet that is now considered "offensive", there was a bitch on TikTok that would find guys that made sexist statements, and she'd literally post about how she found them, contacted their job, etc… they literally got their lives ruined over nothing

As far as I'm concerned, celebrating an innocent persons death is far worse than wearing blackface when you were 17 years old… put all of these fucks on a list and make it impossible to get a job.

Personal opinions isn't a catch all statement and it certainly isn't a get out of jail free card.

The rules for thee, not for me shit is over with that the leftist have adopted.

Ruin their fucking lives…. Which is still a slap on the wrist compared to what happen to Charlie and his poor wife and kids

All for having an opinion and being christian
 
Leftist were ruining people's lives over a fucking 10 year old tweet that is now considered "offensive", there was a bitch on TikTok that would find guys that made sexist statements, and she'd literally post about how she found them, contacted their job, etc… they literally got their lives ruined over nothing

As far as I'm concerned, celebrating an innocent persons death is far worse than wearing blackface when you were 17 years old… put all of these fucks on a list and make it impossible to get a job.

Personal opinions isn't a catch all statement and it certainly isn't a get out of jail free card.

The rules for thee, not for me shit is over with that the leftist have adopted.

Ruin their fucking lives…. Which is still a slap on the wrist compared to what happen to Charlie and his poor wife and kids

All for having an opinion and being christian

And for loving USA too.

I don't want lives to be ruin but these people cheering or mocking post it publicly so sadly whether someone reports it or not, it will be seen by their employer or their future employer
 
And for loving USA too.

I don't want lives to be ruin but these people cheering or mocking post it publicly so sadly whether someone reports it or not, it will be seen by their employer or their future employer
I certainly want every single one of them to feel the most devastating impact that they can.

The Biden era pushed things so far left that these people believe that they are objectively correct about everything and have just barricaded themselves in an echo chamber. Examples must be made so the extremist can start to cool off.

We need to get back to more moderate political temperatures

They call conservatives a cult but it really just means.. normal people

Leftists have turned politics into their religion

I'm 40 years old and like most young people I was a liberal when I was younger. But let's make this clear.. todays liberal is yesterday conservative

All these fucks think that if something like the holocaust happened, they'd be the one hiding Jews and saving people.. but we learned pretty quickly, especially during Covid, that those mother fuckers are the first to point fingers, follow exactly what the government says, and turn on their neighbors

So yeah… I say they need to be made an example
 
Leftist were ruining people's lives over a fucking 10 year old tweet that is now considered "offensive", there was a bitch on TikTok that would find guys that made sexist statements, and she'd literally post about how she found them, contacted their job, etc… they literally got their lives ruined over nothing

As far as I'm concerned, celebrating an innocent persons death is far worse than wearing blackface when you were 17 years old… put all of these fucks on a list and make it impossible to get a job.

Personal opinions isn't a catch all statement and it certainly isn't a get out of jail free card.

The rules for thee, not for me shit is over with that the leftist have adopted.

Ruin their fucking lives…. Which is still a slap on the wrist compared to what happen to Charlie and his poor wife and kids

All for having an opinion and being christian

One side strongly believes one thing. The other side strongly believes another. Both think it's deserved for lives to be ruined because of a tweet. And both think it's unfair for lives to be ruined for a tweet.

You're both probably getting played by people who stand to gain from the bad feeling and chaos.

Sad to see it.
 
One side strongly believes one thing. The other side strongly believes another. Both think it's deserved for lives to be ruined because of a tweet. And both think it's unfair for lives to be ruined for a tweet.

You're both probably getting played by people who stand to gain from the bad feeling and chaos.

Sad to see it.
Bullshit, rightwing doesnt call to killing leftist, transformers/alphabet ppl, we just think there is high probability of mental inless there so those ppl need help, we dont want them dead, we want them to receive help.
Same with cancelling games/boycotting- we only state what we gonna do- as a singular person- we never force others to not buy/play those games or call them names for liking one title or another, hell in comparisions leftists/progressives even started calling ppl incels/chuds recently just for not buying particular woke game, how deranged is that? They think we gonna abandon free will coz some1 called us a name? ;)
 
One side strongly believes one thing. The other side strongly believes another. Both think it's deserved for lives to be ruined because of a tweet. And both think it's unfair for lives to be ruined for a tweet.

You're both probably getting played by people who stand to gain from the bad feeling and chaos.

Sad to see it.
While your sentiment rings true, you're seemingly ignoring the context of these situations.

One side vilified and attempted to destroy and cancel another side for years - they played by a different set of rules.

Now that other side is sick of it, and rightly so, this situation with CK is a big tipping point.

It's depraved enough of a thing to make fun of someone for (subjectively) offensive tweets, or to try and get them fired for wrong think - how many times did we see people in this industry try and out or ruin someone because they leaned right? Or shared opinions or ideologies that didn't fit the orthodoxy? Remember Kara from Limited Run Games? Remember Colin Moriarty? How about Chris Avellone? How many times have we seen women make bullshit lies up about "sexual harassment" and people buy it wholesale without proof…oh shit, remeber the lead/director on Hogwarts Legacy? Fuck. The list is MASSIVE - leftists did everything they could to ruin people.

Now their time is coming, and those who suffered their bullshit get to enjoy the harvest the leftists thought only they would dish out.
 
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A database will go online soon:

"This website will soon be converted into a searchable database of over 30,000 submissions, filterable by general location and job industry. This is a permanent and continuously-updating archive of Radical activists calling for violence.

This is the largest firing operation in history."

As long as the operators make sure there's no false positives in this, I think this might actually be an OK initiative in this context. Generally, I'm not a huge fan of naming and shaming others, but this is different. These people are demons.
 
While your sentiment rings true, you're seemingly ignoring the context of these situations.

One side vilified and attempted to destroy and cancel another side for years - they played by a different set of rules.

Now that other side is sick of it, and rightly so

One side says that they are sick of how the other side behaved for years and that has led to the current situation. ...and so does the other side.

Both sides will be able to point to people who have been killed for their beliefs and the way they chose to live their lives.
 
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Arguably it's the same thing - people are responding emotionally to words on a screen and cheering on people getting some kind of comeuppance.

Personally, I think it's a terrible thing that happened but those who are raging at "the left" after someone said a mean comment probably ought to get a grip.

People say awful things after a tragedy every single time. There are always jokes after a disaster. This is par for the course.

I don't know where the invisible line is where saying something obscene in public is, but I don't think that making a very ill advised comment about a terrible thing happening to a politician (or politician adjacent activist) you don't agree with should automatically be grounds for losing a job.

I don't think you're going to shape a positive society by creating a situation where people are worried that they might impulsively say the wrong thing and lose their job for it. I think you also run the risk of creating an oppressive air where the line of what is considered obscene and job-loss-worthy gets more and more intrusive.

In short, I despair somewhat at the way people are blind to the wrongdoings of their own side, as long as it's being done to the other side.

"words on a screen" , "a mean comment" , "saying something obscene" ,"ill advised comment" In this case specifically its cheering for the "cold blooded murder of a young father" but in your mind its OK because its JUST " a mean/ill advised comment" If you think thats OK thats on you. Most of us in this thread draw a moral line and see otherwise.
 
"words on a screen" , "a mean comment" , "saying something obscene" ,"ill advised comment" In this case specifically its cheering for the "cold blooded murder of a young father" but in your mind its OK because its JUST " a mean/ill advised comment" If you think thats OK thats on you. Most of us in this thread draw a moral line and see otherwise.
I didn't say it was ok, I think it's terrible that a family is without a father and a husband and I do not think people should be celebrating it.
 
As long as the operators make sure there's no false positives in this, I think this might actually be an OK initiative in this context. Generally, I'm not a huge fan of naming and shaming others, but this is different. These people are demons.
Its actually illegal to create a site like this (w/ the intent to get people fired, harassed, or stalked as some examples). The site is literally called "CharliesMurderers". A single mentally deranged individual is the sole person who acted on this.
 
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One side says that they are sick of how the other side behaved for years and that has led to the current situation. ...and so does the other side.

Both sides will be able to point to people who have been killed for their beliefs and the way they chose to live their lives.
Maybe I am not fully understanding you…but up until recently, this is not a both sides issue.

The cancel culture shtick is primarily employed by the left, and has been wielded like cudgel for 10 years. The left have had a near-monopoly due to them owning the culture of these industries;

There's definitely right wing violence, but in modern times it's not even close. The left have been way more aggressive and violent overall. They don't bat an eye because they feel they're justified.

The right is now sick of playing by rules that their opponent doesn't.

And that's not implying there will be retaliation in the same way - but in terms of "canceling" people over the CK situation…yeah, it feels like it's justified. This isn't just some ideological difference. This is celebrating a man's death because he had totally normal and fair ideas and shared them.

You have a side that has perverted the norms so much that they are trying to say he deserved this because of them…

So, saying "both sides" isn't equivalent.
 
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I'm not part of that group. I don't believe in deplatforming. However, if you are calling for violence, then yes. Incitement of violence is both illegal and reprehensible.

Nothing to do with this conversation but I think that platforms like X should require you to publicly identify yourself and Balkanize the anonymous accounts from the public ones. Kind of how a a newspaper used to separate LTEs and op-eds. I believe we would see the level of discourse be more civilized.

This all stems from the education system in the U.S. and E.U. (I can attest to Latín America too) and the depravity if this generation of parents.

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What do you mean you are not part of that group.
You posted this to Grummz suggestions:

I don't know why this is, but he is 100% spot on. It's sad we don't have proper parenting anymore; people have raised ignorant monsters.

100% spot on?
You are 100% in the Grummz group.
 
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Maybe I am not fully understanding you…but up until recently, this is not a both sides issue.
It is if you ever want to deescalate things.

If you want to normalise witch-hunts and demonising, you'd get everyone doing it. If you look at people making lists and blacklisting people, pointing fingers and taking joy in the misery of the other side and think that's bad, don't do it too.

There's no revenge, or settled scores. Just more sadness.

Anyway, thanks for the replies all. I'm going to drop out of this conversation, life is too short and it's a Sunday here.

I hope everyone has a nice day focussing on things they like, not on things they don't like.
 
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Nope.

I'll give them Monday to release a statement. Maybe they needed a few days to sort this out internally and no point releasing it on a weekend. There's almost no gaming news released on weekends.

If you dont see it Monday, it's not coming.

Sucker Punch unwilling to comment on the issue tells you that they're more worried about losing the loyalty of their employees than they are losing customers. I wonder how that's going to play out.
 
Cancel culture on NeoGaf in action.

So we should glorify murdering innocent people and be okay with it right?

What if someone would kill your dad, or your mom or you sister for what they think and believe in? How would that made you feel? Would you want justice? Would you be okay if people didn't react at all and they were passive towards that situation? I am sure you would not be happy if that was the case

People need to think before writing nonsense. Have some empathy for the love of God.
 
Yup.

It's been years of this. Only the past 12 months or so have people stood up to cancel culture, DEI, Woke, etc... People arent afraid anymore to do it back and companies are acknowledging that and walking back policies and now firing people. It took a while, but the pendulum is swinging back hard. Probably a lot of that has to do with Trump in charge and he hates this kind of leftie stuff too.

In life, you can be a punching bag taking all the jabs or punch back. It gets to a point you punch back. And there is no way the original guy doing the punching first gets to claim no more punches allowed when he gets hit later.

Sometimes you got to be a man and take a punch in the face back. It's like grade school fights. You can either sit there and be picked on for years or stand up for yourself.

And whats happening now is the right is cancel culturing the left with job losses. And IMO that's an even better way than resorting back to violence because it kills their careers and hopefully improves the corporate culture there so better products are made. So it could be a long term win for consumers with better products too. Getting punched in the face only hurts for 10 minutes. Getting blacklisted in a career might be 10 years. Lesson learned.
It's like a bully who keeps hitting his victim for years despite the bullied repeatedly begging him to stop. And once he finally punches back the bully goes "woah, nelly, I thought you were anti-bullying, what a hypocrite you are, stop giving it back to me, just let me keep punching you and all is fine again. Don't you see your hypocrisy!"
 
Arguably it's the same thing - people are responding emotionally to words on a screen and cheering on people getting some kind of comeuppance.

Personally, I think it's a terrible thing that happened but those who are raging at "the left" after someone said a mean comment probably ought to get a grip.

People say awful things after a tragedy every single time. There are always jokes after a disaster. This is par for the course.

I don't know where the invisible line is where saying something obscene in public is, but I don't think that making a very ill advised comment about a terrible thing happening to a politician (or politician adjacent activist) you don't agree with should automatically be grounds for losing a job.

I don't think you're going to shape a positive society by creating a situation where people are worried that they might impulsively say the wrong thing and lose their job for it. I think you also run the risk of creating an oppressive air where the line of what is considered obscene and job-loss-worthy gets more and more intrusive.

In short, I despair somewhat at the way people are blind to the wrongdoings of their own side, as long as it's being done to the other side.

There is truth to what you are saying. Punishing someone for their beliefs is bad. But there has always been consequences when you (as an employee) make your workplace look bad. This has been a thing since before social media. Few workplaces would punish you for making fun of this in private or reasonable public enviroment. But posting deranged shit online with your name and picture is hard to defend. You can get fired for promoting competitors brand. Political violence and terrorism is worse.
 
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