Game Developers celebrating assassination of Charlie Kirk [Update] Sucker Punch Dev Fired, and SP issue statement

Bloody Crow of Cainhurst said:
Am I missing something here? Why is there such an outpouring of sympathy for Charlie Kirk of all people? This is a man who trivialized school children getting shot as the price to pay for having access to guns, among many, many other abhorrent views. Suddenly he's some family man who everyone loved?

I'd say this has more to do with GAF not liking Ghost of Yotei than anything else. No one would boycott GTA VI if the CEO of Take Two came out and said Kirk deserved what he got.
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The dude was assassinated for having an opinion. From my limited knowledge, he wasn't a violent man. A paedo. A murderer. Or anything like that. He just debated opinions I do not share. A human is allowed to have their thoughts and opinions.

Sit down and talk about them. Find some middle ground.

Dont shoot the guy. That's my stance on it.
 
DenchDeckard said:
The dude was assassinated for having an opinion. From my limited knowledge, he wasn't a violent man. A paedo. A murderer. Or anything like that. He just debated opinions I do not share. A human is allowed to have their thoughts and opinions.

Sit down and talk about them. Find some middle ground.

Dont shoot the guy. That's my stance on it.
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DenchDeckard said:
The dude was assassinated for having an opinion. From my limited knowledge, he wasn't a violent man. A paedo. A murderer. Or anything like that. He just debated opinions I do not share. A human is allowed to have their thoughts and opinions.

Sit down and talk about them. Find some middle ground.

Dont shoot the guy. That's my stance on it.
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For sure, this is the very principle of politics. It is by definition non-violent. It stops being politics as soon as it becomes violent or somebody dies.
 
DenchDeckard said:
The dude was assassinated for having an opinion. From my limited knowledge, he wasn't a violent man. A paedo. A murderer. Or anything like that. He just debated opinions I do not share. A human is allowed to have their thoughts and opinions.

Sit down and talk about them. Find some middle ground.

Dont shoot the guy. That's my stance on it.
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BUt YoU CaN bE ViOlEnT wItH wOrDs!

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Gonzito said:
The clock is ticking. The longer it takes for SP and Sony to release some statement the worst it's going to get
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This…isnt that big.

Not a single person i know is talking about this. And this guy that was killed wasn't that known outside of America anyway.

You guys really need to leave your bubbles and se whats out there. You want Sony to come out and say what exactly?
 
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Tiago Rodrigues said:
This…isnt that big.

Not a single person i know is talking about this. And this guy that was killed wasn't that known outside of America anyway.

You guys really need to leave your bubbles and se whats out there. You want Sony to come out sbd say what exactly?
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It's funny to me how the term Nazi is always thrown around, far too often if you ask me. In combination with the use of fascist. Both denote a far-right leaning political ideology. In my opinion (and perhaps yours) the terms are frequently used in situations of nuance. For example, take the following sentence - "Charlie Kirk was accused of antisemitism, he must be a Nazi." While historically, antisemitism was a cornerstone of the National Social German Workers' Party it doesn't necessarily make an antisemite a Nazi, it makes them an antisemite. See? Nuance.

I believe these words, and many others for that matter, are losing their actual meaning. It's dangerous. In modern usage those words are typically just vehicles to establish someone's thoughts, beliefs, socioeconomic identity, etc. before you even get to know them. Like an AGM-65 maverick missile, fire and forget. No more thought necessary. As I pointed out though, people are far more nuanced than blanket statements. Even if, according to you of course (because opinion is subjective) they spout, cruel, vile, despicable things, please try to use correct language that encourages understanding - you're a human being, on some level you should want to understand, don't get complacent.

I'd be curious to see what would happen if you were to stop the people using these words with such vitriol, mid sentence, and asked them to define what both fascist and Nazi mean. It's ok if they don't know, I'm not here to make fun of one's ignorance or lack of knowledge. It would just be interesting to see if they actually knew what they were saying. I'm sure a lot of them do.


Also, to my example - I have no idea if Charlie Kirk was an antisemite, and I don't give a shit if he was. I could live in a world where a person says antiemetic things because saying things is not rounding up jews and throwing them in deathcamps circa the 1940s.
 
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Ishma3L said:
It's funny to me how the term Nazi is always thrown around, far too often if you ask me. In combination with the use of fascist. Both denote a far-right leaning political ideology. In my opinion (and perhaps yours) the terms are frequently used in situations of nuance. For example, take the following sentence - "Charlie Kirk was accused of antisemitism, he must be a Nazi." While historically, antisemitism was a cornerstone of the National Social German Workers' Party it doesn't necessarily make an antisemite a Nazi, it makes them an antisemite. See? Nuance.

I believe these words, and many others for that matter, are losing their actual meaning. It's dangerous. In modern usage those words are typically just vehicles to establish someone's thoughts, beliefs, socioeconomic identity, etc. before you even get to know them. Like an AGM-65 maverick missile, fire and forget. No more thought necessary. As I pointed out though, people are far more nuanced than blanket statements. Even if, according to you of course (because opinion is subjective) they spout, cruel, vile, despicable things, please try to use correct language that encourages understanding - you're a human being, on some level you should want to understand, don't get complacent.

I'd be curious to see what would happen if you were to stop the people using these words with such vitriol, mid sentence, and asked them to define what both fascist and Nazi mean. It's ok if they don't know, I'm not here to make fun of one's ignorance or lack of knowledge. It would just be interesting to see if they actually knew what they were saying. I'm sure a lot of them do.


Also, to my example - I have no idea if Charlie Kirk was an antisemite, and I don't give a shit if he was. I could live in a world where a person says antiemetic things because saying things is not rounding up jews and throwing them in deathcamps circa the 1940s.
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The everyone is a nazi crowd used to be a small absurd group, but social media has converted hordes. It's ironic, they always go after people as online incels, but their rhetoric has started to turn always online leftist into murderous psychopaths in the same way.

A lot of this is on the media, the use nazi rethoric on republicans, and every left leaning hollywood figure is using nazis and rednecks as villains. I am watching peacemaker, and every bad guy is a white nazi. They have been pushing this narrative to the point where it has radicalized young reddit users.

Reddit, bluesky, twitch and X as well is a breeding ground of this rethoric.
 
Tiago Rodrigues said:
This…isnt that big.

Not a single person i know is talking about this. And this guy that was killed wasn't that known outside of America anyway.

You guys really need to leave your bubbles and se whats out there. You want Sony to come out and say what exactly?
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I don't live in the US. I'm not OK with devs celebrating an assassination like this.
I don't care about a public statement, I just care that those sick freaks no longer work at the company.
They should put out a public statement though because people deserve to know if the cunts still have jobs. I don't expect it to be fast though, there'd need to be an investigation because there's a lot more than just the fired one from Sucker Punch.
 
Topher said:
I think most companies should strive to be apolitical, but if their employees drag them into the mess with some stupid comments like this person then they need to respond.

Nintendo is in Japan and reflects Japanese values. PlayStation is in California and reflects California values. That, in a nutshell, is the problem. It has been said many times before by folks like Bernardougf Bernardougf and I haven't put a lot of stock into it, but seems they were right all along.
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Tiago Rodrigues said:
This…isnt that big.

Not a single person i know is talking about this. And this guy that was killed wasn't that known outside of America anyway.

You guys really need to leave your bubbles and se whats out there. You want Sony to come out and say what exactly?
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LoL no ... maybe if you live in north korea ...Im in Brazil and people here are very aware of him and his death and what he represented... it was on all the major news sites , television and social midia. I saw posts on instagram condemn his death from folks I had no idea were align with his ideas and of course I saw the same lunatics from the left here calling him a fascist and the same absurds fake justifications for his murder.

The gaming community its not all a bunch of retards locked out in their basements without a hint of information, little kids that play fortnite wont know any of this, but the public that buys games like GOY? sure as shit will know.
 
Bernardougf said:
LoL no ... maybe if you live in north korea ...Im in Brazil and people here are very aware of him and his death and what he represented... it was on all the major news sites , television and social midia. I saw posts on instagram condemn his death from folks I had no idea were align with his ideas and of course I saw the same lunatics from the left here calling him a fascist and the same absurds fake justifications for his murder.

The gaming community its not all a bunch of retards locked out in their basements without a hint of information, little kids that play fortnite wont know any of this, but the public that buys games like GOY? sure as shit will know.
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You're not wrong. Even in my shit hole town in the UK, the kid serving me in the local Co-Op just randomly blurted out to me yesterday

'Did you see that Charlie Kirk thing, I cant believe it'!!

My own kid said yesterday his whole school were on about it too. His history teacher was trying to advise them all to not watch the actual time of death (They did anyway)

Yeah, this isn't just some small matter.
 
PeteBull said:
My felow Gafer bro, series is not about americans, if u made any effort of clicking on that 1min long trailer u would know that, its about russian kgb agents pretending to be american couple durning late cold war :)

About my age- im 43 so experienced actual communism here in poland(from fun stuff- empty shelves on most of the shops, including food, and toilet paper queues, just 2 quick funny examples ;p ), its fall, and how capitalism looked early on, experienced feminism invading my society too over decades and what it did to birthrate ;)

Ppl in the west dont realise how poor 99% of ppl living under communism were(exceptions were political police and higher ups of the party, those lived like kings in comparision, no equality ;p), both of my parents were highly college educated and i still had this 14inch yellow(but black and white) beauty till 1995:
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Yeah bruh but that wasn't like real communism we will get it right this time
 
DenchDeckard said:
The dude was assassinated for having an opinion. From my limited knowledge, he wasn't a violent man. A paedo. A murderer. Or anything like that. He just debated opinions I do not share. A human is allowed to have their thoughts and opinions.

Sit down and talk about them. Find some middle ground.

Dont shoot the guy. That's my stance on it.
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He was the "let's have a conversation and see if we can find some common ground" guy
And he was murdered in front of his kids because of it.
 
Ishma3L said:
It's funny to me how the term Nazi is always thrown around, far too often if you ask me. In combination with the use of fascist. Both denote a far-right leaning political ideology. In my opinion (and perhaps yours) the terms are frequently used in situations of nuance. For example, take the following sentence - "Charlie Kirk was accused of antisemitism, he must be a Nazi." While historically, antisemitism was a cornerstone of the National Social German Workers' Party it doesn't necessarily make an antisemite a Nazi, it makes them an antisemite. See? Nuance.

I believe these words, and many others for that matter, are losing their actual meaning. It's dangerous. In modern usage those words are typically just vehicles to establish someone's thoughts, beliefs, socioeconomic identity, etc. before you even get to know them. Like an AGM-65 maverick missile, fire and forget. No more thought necessary. As I pointed out though, people are far more nuanced than blanket statements. Even if, according to you of course (because opinion is subjective) they spout, cruel, vile, despicable things, please try to use correct language that encourages understanding - you're a human being, on some level you should want to understand, don't get complacent.

I'd be curious to see what would happen if you were to stop the people using these words with such vitriol, mid sentence, and asked them to define what both fascist and Nazi mean. It's ok if they don't know, I'm not here to make fun of one's ignorance or lack of knowledge. It would just be interesting to see if they actually knew what they were saying. I'm sure a lot of them do.


Also, to my example - I have no idea if Charlie Kirk was an antisemite, and I don't give a shit if he was. I could live in a world where a person says antiemetic things because saying things is not rounding up jews and throwing them in deathcamps circa the 1940s.
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The problem is that the emotional crowd cares more about feelings instead of facts. So they throw around the worst possible accusastions, sometimes exaggerate, often outright lie and then spread these stuff around to justify not only talking the other side down, but even justify resorting to violence.

Something similar (on an even bigger political scale) is happening in the Israel-Gaza conflict. The first genocide accusations already happened in October 2023. South Africa's legal allegation already surfaced in December 2023. And if you read some of the accusations of how some Israeli goverment were talking after Oct. 7th, some of these were completely taken out of context.
The thing is, genocide is the worst accusation possible. People are not willing to talk about possible war crimes. It has to be genocide and nothing else. And all the palestine supporters will just parrot these loaded buzzwords over and over. Genocide, colonialists, zionists, apartheid, ethno state. And if you asked them what any of these mean, they wouldnt be able to define them. If you asked them where exactly Gaza and the West Bank are on a map, most wouldnt even be able to tell.
I've watched political streamer Hasan Piker (Hizbollah fanboy) do some geography quiz some years ago. He could barely place any country with confidence on the map. Didnt even know where China was.

Same now with Charlie Kirk. German Foreign news correspondent of tv station ZDF for the US claimed on tv that Charlie was preaching that all gays need to be stoned to death. Like how the fuck can this even happen? He is expert on the US. Did he just do no research? Did he do this knowingly thinking no one would care?
 
Tiago Rodrigues said:
This…isnt that big.

Not a single person i know is talking about this. And this guy that was killed wasn't that known outside of America anyway.

You guys really need to leave your bubbles and se whats out there. You want Sony to come out and say what exactly?
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Really, maybe it's you that's in a bubble.
 
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Chittagong said:
This has been brewing a long time. This was the moment I left ResetEra and returned to GAF.

Can physical violence in response to political beliefs ever be morally justified?

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It was a forum made up of moderators that would ban you for having a different opinion here, what else did you expect? Unless you foolishly believed it was the people that stayed behind that was the problem.
 
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Gonzito said:
Its funny, I have noticed an influx of new users or accounts with very low messages (probably alt accounts) that are constantly just reacting with laugh emojis to messages here. Most of them are reacting to people defending Charlie Kirk or condemning those who are laughing about his death

Cowards
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EviLore EviLore can you do something about juniors account that post nothing and spam emojis like a bot?

I mean, create a new account, don't post nothing, but abuse the reaction button? Should be a bare minimum user interaction before have ability to use emote reaction.

Why even create an account if you gonna just use the reaction button?
 
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Chittagong said:
This has been brewing a long time. This was the moment I left ResetEra and returned to GAF.

Can physical violence in response to political beliefs ever be morally justified?

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These guys are like a cult, if you don't think exactly like them, you're out. No questions asked

This place is much better, is not perfect but at least we can say what we think
 
Tiago Rodrigues said:
This…isnt that big.

Not a single person i know is talking about this. And this guy that was killed wasn't that known outside of America anyway.

You guys really need to leave your bubbles and se whats out there. You want Sony to come out and say what exactly?
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The President made a special address

The VP escorted his body home on Air Force 2

Every news agency had breaking coverage of it

Who lives in a bubble?
 
I didnt like him at all, but this wasnt the way at all. Violence is never the answer. My condolences to his wife and daughter, hope they recover well and requiescat in pace Charlie Kirk
 
TGO said:
He was the "let's have a conversation and see if we can find some common ground" guy
And he was murdered in front of his kids because of it.
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Kirk was a provocateur with divisive opinions. He was not someone looking for common ground. That is like saying Michael Moore is unbiased and just trying to find the truth
 
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Tiago Rodrigues said:
This…isnt that big.

Not a single person i know is talking about this. And this guy that was killed wasn't that known outside of America anyway.

You guys really need to leave your bubbles and se whats out there. You want Sony to come out and say what exactly?
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If a tree falls in a forest, and no one's around to hear it, does it still make a sound?

Because, as you've informed everyone here, no one YOU know (would that be in your bubble?) is talking about this it obviously isn't a sentiment that should be shared or cared about.

You can not be affected by Charlie's murder; Hell, I'd wager none of us in this thread are truly materially affected - but to be callous about a person's assassination and to have employees in your company/owned subsidiaries cheering it on because they are so arrogant in their said company's culture that they don't think their job is at risk….this goes not just for Sony…that is a COMPANY CULTURE ISSUE. That's what should be addressed.

Sony isn't addressing whether Charlie Kirk's passing meant anything, they're addressing that they have people on pay roll who, let's be real, HATE a large subset of their purchasing audience and are brazen enough…due to the culture instilled in the industry they work at (leftist)…that they can sit there and say and act these ways; interact and cheer it on.

Wouldn't matter what Charlie's political leanings or where he stood; if this was a classic role reversal I'd sit and tell you the same exact thing
 
DenchDeckard said:
The dude was assassinated for having an opinion. From my limited knowledge, he wasn't a violent man. A paedo. A murderer. Or anything like that. He just debated opinions I do not share. A human is allowed to have their thoughts and opinions.

Sit down and talk about them. Find some middle ground.

Dont shoot the guy. That's my stance on it.
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100% agree. It's ok to disagree and debate with people who have other opinions. It isn't ok to shoot them, this is barbaric.

demigod said:


Oh Jesus, did they only put out a statement because Elon tagged Satya?
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In similar cases there's normally also many other key people doing the same Elon did but privately. Often big investors or internal staff.


Topher said:
They could copy and paste this as far as I'm concerned...

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Yep, this is what companies should do in terms of communication / PR. They said what had to say and using the correct mesaging (not mentioning specific names, not mentioning that will be fired).

Then in internal communications they should send (probably all big companies with cases of known devs doing nasty tweets already did it) a message to everybody in the company mentioning that they should be respectful with each other ideas and debate instead of shooting each other, publicly cheer murderings of people who disagree with them and publicly wish people who think different to be murdered.

They should mention their workers that the company doesn't tolerate this behavior and after an investigation would take the actions needed (which would be to fire the people who did it unless they maybe delete the tweets/Bluesky messages and apologize).

These things in big corporations take a few days due to internal burocracy and different meetings and greenlights are needed. But in cases like Sucker Punch / PS Studios / PlayStation / Sony, who have a very important (and with a huge budget) release coming soon must do it quickly before the thing escalates and negatively impacts their game.
 
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coachmcguirk91 said:
Kirk was a provocateur with divisive opinions. He was not someone looking for common ground. That is like saying Michael Moore is unbiased and just trying to find the truth
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Why is everything the left disagrees with framed as divisive, or abhorrent, or whatever the heck other buzz words they can come up with?

News flash, your mom was wrong. Disagreement is not dehumanizing someone or being mean. People disagree. It's normal and healthy.
 
coachmcguirk91 said:
Kirk was a provocateur with divisive opinions. He was not someone looking for common ground. That is like saying Michael Moore is unbiased and just trying to find the truth
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No one is suggesting Kirk was "unbiased", but fact of the matter is that he organized events where people were able to discuss and disagree with each other freely face to face. That's as close to someone trying to find "common ground" as you are going to get. One of the points he made repeatedly was the danger of a society that doesn't have these types of discussions. The coward who shot him proved that point.
 
coachmcguirk91 said:
Kirk was a provocateur with divisive opinions. He was not someone looking for common ground. That is like saying Michael Moore is unbiased and just trying to find the truth
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Funny you use those (empty) words - divisive and provocateur.

Let's find any relevant/prominent leftist who have discussed "divisive" and "provocative" topics to what 75-80% of the USA thinks; trans rights, the gradations on abortion access and rights, medical vaccinations and such…if someone from the other side who was super secular, hedonistic and talked about all those issues (let's say a Dean Withers) and he god forbid had this situation occur, would you use the same words to justify or soften the fact that it happened? Despite, in the context of this hypothetical, his views were actually much more radical? His political affiliation was the one, in present time, committing most of the violence?

Back and Charlie- divisive…because? He held values that many do, and that until 15 years ago, were not divisive? The goal post/definition reframing of this shit is so tiring.

He was provocative guy because he stepped into liberal bastions and dared to debate people based on his beliefs and views? He stood his ground and angled to make a change in our youth towards conservatism?

He's divisive because???? What he espoused traditional conservative values? The woman should serve the man? They both should serve god? In the countless hours of debates, podcasts I'd heard him speak he never once said anything that was offensive or inappropriate; he started hard conversations backed by stats, data and his personal beliefs that, sure, you could NOT like…but to attach words to him like that, especially after what happened, is exactly why people are sick of this bullshit retardation from leftists (I would assume you're one?) who control language and shift definitions to justify their positions and actions.

What else? He was staunch believe in pro-life ideology…OH BUT HE SAID HE WOULD MAKE HIS YOUNG DAUGHTGER GO TO TERM WITH A CHILD IF RAPED…ok…what's the context of THAT answer to the obvious GOTCHA the debater was trying to employ? You can disagree with his point there sure, but what's the context for WHY he is pro life? His love for his daughter and child, and that the life inside her wouldn't matter?

Or he said that gun deaths a year were the price to pay for the 2A? Whats the context behind that? People are dense enough to think, and again this shows they didn't really know Charlie's opinions, that he was just totally COOL with shootings so that he could have "mah guns" - no he explicitly said, backed with data and stats, that he never wants one school or violent shooting - but he approach the gun violence issue from a mental health issue NOT a gun issue. Look who killed him?

One can disagree, hell I don't think I'd agree either with everything he said, but it's bullshit like this where people try to cherry pick and reframe out of context things the man said to justify why.

It's utterly dishonest and disheartening to see that there are enough people who would tacitly make less of what happened to him just because he held values and beliefs that you don't agree with. It's a lighter version of - "well he deserved it because he said things I don't like"
 
yurinka said:
100% agree. It's ok to disagree and debate with people who have other opinions. It isn't ok to shoot them, this is barbaric.


In similar cases there's normally also many other key people doing the same Elon did but privately. Often big investors or internal staff.
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Sometimes a good tactic is embarrassing someone.

These corporations only care about bottom lines, sadly, this shouldn't happen at the behest of embarrassing them on online forums like X…but this is the CULTURE we live in.
 
NickFire said:
Why is everything the left disagrees with framed as divisive, or abhorrent, or whatever the heck other buzz words they can come up with?

News flash, your mom was wrong. Disagreement is not dehumanizing someone or being mean. People disagree. It's normal and healthy.
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Bugger off dude. If I made the same statement about Pelosi, Ilhan Omar, Joy Reid ect. People on the right and even moderates/independents would characterize these political figures as "divisive"
 
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Topher said:
No one is suggesting Kirk was "unbiased", but fact of the matter is that he organized events where people were able to discuss and disagree with each other freely face to face. That's as close to someone trying to find "common ground" as you are going to get. One of the points he made repeatedly was the danger of a society that doesn't have these types of discussions. The coward who shot him proved that point.
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That's the problem, he was effective and able to break through the brain rot. It started out with just hostile crowds, but conversations happened. After a while more and more supporters started showing up.

Just look how he handled a discussion with a trans person. He doesn't agree, but listens and tells them not to destroy themself and his opinion on how to proceed.



But so many people will just parrot he was a massive bigot who deserved death. Break through the bullshit and educate yourself.
 
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Tiago Rodrigues said:
This…isnt that big.

Not a single person i know is talking about this. And this guy that was killed wasn't that known outside of America anyway.

You guys really need to leave your bubbles and se whats out there. You want Sony to come out and say what exactly?
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Not exactly, man. Here in my country, in South America, people are talking a lot about this murder, and gaming YouTubers are making videos about the absurd fact that some devs are actually celebrating someone's death.

I don't know if the mainstream gaming media has started covering it yet, but if they haven't, it really feels like they're purposely trying to hold the door shut
 
coachmcguirk91 said:
Bugger off dude. If I made the same statement about Pelosi, Ilhan Omar, Joy Reid ect. People on the right and even moderates/independents would characterize these political figures as "divisive"
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Did any of them just lose their lives to an assassin because of their opinions, values and profession?
 
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Fake said:
EviLore EviLore can you do something about juniors account that post nothing and spam emojis like a bot?

I mean, create a new account, don't post nothing, but abuse the reaction button? Should be a bare minimum user interaction before have ability to use emote reaction.
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why do you care, triggered by reactions? just leave them be
 
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