Game Developers celebrating assassination of Charlie Kirk [Update] Sucker Punch Dev Fired, and SP issue statement

laynelane said:
Do you place value in gaming media? I don't. Do you think the industry operates from a place of integrity? I don't. Reddit? Toxic group think at its finest.

I prefer to make up my own mind on issues and even if the gaming media and the industry are celebrating the assassination of a person whose values they don't agree with - I'll just keep formulating my own opinions. As for the "authoritarian" moderation, yes, that's a thing and why a person can choose not to frequent places that will only reward or tolerate them for violent rhetoric. I understand the causes but these are adults we are talking about, not poor lost little lambs. They choose to frequent these places, they choose to sacrifice their compassion and integrity to 'fit in', and therefore I choose to not frequent those places or sugarcoat what they represent.

Part of the reason things have become as bad as they are is that reasonable people have been asked to tolerate the intolerable for years now. It took this garish celebration of political violence to finally shake people out of it. That's a good thing and I hope to see more of it.
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I would like to place value in the gaming media, but no, I largely haven't in a long time.

Largely, though, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying that the toxicity unfortunately exists outside of just the aforementioned other sites.
 
Kacho said:
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Wow, it's like double that now.
 
Doomtrain said:
I would like to place value in the gaming media, but no, I largely haven't in a long time.

Largely, though, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying that the toxicity unfortunately exists outside of just the aforementioned other sites.
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It does, but it's concentrated on those sites - hence my initial comment ie. what you see is what you get. My wording in that comment is about the opinions that hold sway and the "brain dead" part is that some very extreme and mean-spirited opinions are thoughtlessly parroted and upvoted. Basically, those sites are safe spaces for that kind behavior.

I also would like to place value in gaming media as I once did, but the trust is lost and the pattern of treating gamers like the 'enemy' has been consistent for certain outlets for over a decade. I wish it were different as I used to enjoy reading reviews and opinion pieces from various sites, but that's been long lost. Mind you, YT and fellow Gaffers are my go-tos now and I'm good with that.
 
I really hope Sony (and other studios) take a good hard look at what's going on here. There are too many "employees" who are so emotionally unstable and incapable of having conversations and critically think for themselves. Whether GoY sells well or not, I'm sure Sony would rather avoid this cluterfuck situation they're currently in where it's difficult to post anything on social media. This has turned into a marketing nightmare for them.

Blame those mentally ill and evil devs, not the players who are calling them out. The studios would be better off WITHOUT people who think of their colleagues and more than half of the country who buy their games as "nazis", "fascists", and every other bullshit word being thrown around irresponsibly. This cancer in the gaming industry needs to stop.
 
Gotta say, America's values are incredibly fucked and twisted.

I'm glad I don't live in the US tbh.
 
ULTROS! said:
Gotta say, America's values are incredibly fucked and twisted.

I'm glad I don't live in the US tbh.
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Unfortunately its not only the US that suffers from this ... many country's including mine this things are happening... US just feels more fleshed out, but at least their democracy is still going and they just elected a conservative president.... my country is ruled by an extreme leftist ex-con and his ex-con minions and we have a crazy leftist dictator running our supreme court like its own separate country so things are really ugly for "democracy" overhere. Any moment now they are going to regulate free speech on social media and then things will be gone for good..

US still maintains its democracy .. so theres always hope for improvement . Theres lots of worse places around to live.
 
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ULTROS! said:
Gotta say, America's values are incredibly fucked and twisted.

I'm glad I don't live in the US tbh.
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Well, it is the one country out of the entire world that promotes freedom of speech and democracy like it's one gigantic free for all.

So what you get is wacky people taking that and upping the stakes 10-fold thinking they can do whatever they want and hope it slides or they dont get caught.
 
StreetsofBeige said:
If Yotei severely fails, dont be surprised if Sony shuts down SP.

SP will be forever tainted a majorly left leaning studio and the posterboy studio associated with Charlie Kirk.
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It will underperfom but it will be shrugged under the rug just like the last of us 2 was... one thing I can bet.. with this later happening? It pretty much guaranteed a lot of 10/10 and awards from the
Acces woke media.
 
StreetsofBeige said:
Well, it is the one country out of the entire world that promotes freedom of speech and democracy like it's one gigantic free for all.

So what you get is wacky people taking that and upping the stakes 10-fold thinking they can do whatever they want and hope it slides or they dont get caught.
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And its a vast country.. you can choose certain places to live and really dont have to deal too much with this bullshit like you would if living on California
 
//DEVIL// said:
In the US the video game companies work based on what party the President is. In this case Sony should fucking make a statement. What a fucking bunch of buffoons.

it seems its impossible to have a company and an HR system that act like a normal human being. its either extreme left or right when sadly both are wrong.

Such a sad state we fucking live in when a human life has no meaning in the world and taking life and hateful motives is being the norm.

Since when is killing someone without a trial something to be celebrated? And why every fucking cave in the US has 100s of guns to the point young adults can have a sniper or whatever he used? it shouldn't be that easy to acquire such a long-range gun. wtf is this shit :/

This is really depressing. I keep trying to avoid this thread because I am not into politics and I do not like shit like this when my sole purpose coming here is talking about video games and shitting on devs for being shitty devs. But even though it seems impossible now.

Even if I go to the off topic, there is another thread of exactly the same thing.

I get why there are 2 threads of this and why this is here being it related to video games. but still sucks that we reached this stage.
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It's not that I encourage this cowardly act, but if this happened to a trans, a black, a muslim, a palestinian, a leftist, environmentalist and woke activist, which I hope not, in a second, companies like Sony will have full page statement to condemn this act in all social media platforms and even on TV and radio.
 
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ULTROS! said:
Gotta say, America's values are incredibly fucked and twisted.

I'm glad I don't live in the US tbh.
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We were good til around 2015ish this woke shit really took off. Infecting weaker minds. Especially the female population. If you go on social media it's 90% female losing their shit about political issues.
 
Kacho said:
Whether the murderer was left or right he was a piece of shit for doing what he did. He shot up another family in addition to that. The difference is the right didn't collectively cheer that on. The attempts to equate the two events is stupid.
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My point was only in relation to some in this thread claiming that event was right wing violence. ANY murder of an innocent human being is horrible and should be condemned. There's a baseline of human decency that should underline any person's ideology, regardless of political affiliation.
 
HerjansEagleFeeder said:
As a German: What particular place in the world, in your opinion, doesn't have issues like this? Genuinely curious here.
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Most of the western world is infected with woke mind virus. Central-Eastern Europe countries are (mostly) free from it and some Asian countries. I'm talking about developed world.

In this part of Europe we are quite conservative and we know how life was under communism (you also know what happened in East Germany). Of course young people that didn't experience communism of fucked up economy of the 90s are more prone to that ideology (mostly women of course).
 
FullMetalx117 said:
It's not uncommon, but if the family values are strong/worth holding onto it's harder for them to leave. I'm just saying...this has been the 2nd maga on maga crime in recent memory
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You have to be blind, retarded on just plain straight trolling now if you think he a right winger. He was pretty far left, you're being very disingenuous right now
 
The things people say are beyond disgusting but I can't really cheer for them losing their job. Cancel culture is wrong and I can't help but finding it a bit hypocritical and double standard that a lot of people are celebrating this now after being so loud when Biden's gouvernement did it.
These people cheering for the murder of Kirk showed their true colours and it will always be online for people to see and to haunt them. That seems, to me, like a great punishment they inflicted on themselves.
I can understand if people have important jobs like school teachers or something like that tho. But a game developer? Not really.
It's a slippery slope if you ask me.

Trump's regime isn't that much different from Biden's regime at this certain point.
 
Step 1: The game will score in the high 80s/low 90s on Metacritic
Step 2: Metacritic user scores will be low, and this will be called the "real score."
Step 3: They'll say Sony paid for the review scores.
Step 4: Ghost of Yotei will have strong first-week sales.
Step 5: People will attempt to discredit the sales by comparing Ghost of Yotei sales to games like WuKong and Elden Ring. You're also going to see people say it's shipped, not sold.

Step 6: The usual suspects on Twitter/X will share some stupid sales data from some random reddit/4chan user.
Step 7: Mat Piscatella/Christ Dring will report strong sales for September
Step 8: People will start moving on.
 
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DForce said:
Step 1: The game will score in the high 80s/low 90s on Metacritic
Step 2: They'll say Sony paid for the review scores.
Step 3: Ghost of Yotei will have strong first-week sales.
Step 4: People will attempt to discredit the sales by comparing Ghost of Yotei sales to games like WuKong and Elden Ring. You're also going to see people say it's shipped, not sold.

Step 5: The usual suspects on Twitter/X will share some stupid sales data from some random reddit/4chan user.
Step 6: Mat Piscatella/Christ Dring will report strong sales for September
Step 7: People will start moving on.
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Sony and Nintendo games always had inflated MC scores. Nothing new here.

And Sony now also get woke points. Remember that games now get lower scores if main character is "white and boring".
 
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WellSheet said:
I don't care if this comes off as butt huffing

This is my second account. I started it five years ago; I had an account before, but I had forgotten the password/name and the old email It was attached to was also locked.

But I've basically been a lurker for 10+ years and I gotta @EviLore - you make me feel questionable feelings of a sensual nature. If you ever want mayonnaise, licked off your pinky toes, just let me know.
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Yeah, this isn't going away.

DForce said:
Step 4: Ghost of Yotei will have strong first-week sales.
Step 5: People will attempt to discredit the sales by comparing Ghost of Yotei sales to games like WuKong and Elden Ring. You're also going to see people say it's shipped, not sold.
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We'll see, but I won't be comparing it to Wukong, I'll be comparing it to Tsushima. I'll be shocked if it sells as well as GoT.
 
Bojji said:
Most of the western world is infected with woke mind virus. Central-Eastern Europe countries are (mostly) free from it and some Asian countries. I'm talking about developed world.

In this part of Europe we are quite conservative and we know how life was under communism (you also know what happened in East Germany). Of course young people that didn't experience communism of fucked up economy of the 90s are more prone to that ideology (mostly women of course).
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To add for Asia, the wokeism isn't really a thing. The only few who do follow this ideology are the upper middle class Gen-Z who are active is social media. The rest aren't too bothered and are rather focused on their families and their jobs (I live in a collectivist society).
 
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I feel really bad for anyone politically moderate, and I suspect there will be many, at Sucker Punch for getting stuck in what amounts to a no-win situation.

No doubt after that that Drew idiot got their idiot-self fired, a global gag order would have come down so as not to intensify an already bad situation. So even if they wanted to distance themselves, I doubt they'd be allowed to. Meanwhile its festering thanks to a lot of people adopting the leftist "silence is complicity" attitude.
 
The silence of the moderates allowed for the situation they now find themselves in. They said nothing when they could have -in support of those who did speak up and were removed- and now that the lunatics are running the asylum they are not allowed to.
 
FullMetalx117 said:
It's not uncommon, but if the family values are strong/worth holding onto it's harder for them to leave. I'm just saying...this has been the 2nd maga on maga crime in recent memory
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The killer was full on leftist, bro, even confirmed by his close family. And he was in a relationship with a person who was transitioning...
www.nbcnews.com

Charlie Kirk murder suspect offered his roommate a confession and an explanation, officials say

“I had enough of his hatred,” Tyler Robinson texted his roommate, according to a charging document. “Some hate can’t be negotiated out.”
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Officials said that as his parents grappled with those questions, Robinson continued to text his roommate, whom police described as "a biological male who was involved in a romantic relationship" with the suspect and transitioning to female.
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"Drop what you are doing, look under my keyboard," Tyler James Robinson wrote, according to court papers filed Tuesday by Utah County Attorney Jeff Gray.


The roommate, whom Robinson referred to as "my love" and whose name police have not released, did so and found a note.

"I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it," the note allegedly said.
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Different news site/article:
economictimes.indiatimes.com

Tyler Robinson started leaning to the left: Charlie Kirk killer’s mother reveals shocking details about his personal life and roommate; here’s what she said

Mother of Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk's killer, identified him after seeing his photo released by authorities. She revealed he had become more politically left-leaning and was in a relationship with a transgender roommate. Robinson's roommate provided police with messages from him about the...
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The mother of Charlie Kirk's killer, Tyler Robinson, opened up about her son's personal life and revealed that he became more political over the last year or so and had started to lean more to the left. Robinson's mother told investigators that he had begun dating his roommate, "a biological male who was transitioning genders," according to court documents filed today, CNN reported.

Robinson's mother further stated that he became more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented." According to court documents, police also interviewed Robinson's roommate.
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Bernardougf said:
It will underperfom but it will be shrugged under the rug just like the last of us 2 was... one thing I can bet.. with this later happening? It pretty much guaranteed a lot of 10/10 and awards from the
Acces woke media.
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The wokies are gonna have an internal battle with this one.

On one hand, the real life actress choice, on the other, sony firing the retarded dev...

I'm not so sure about raining 10s this time...
 
DForce said:
Step 1: The game will score in the high 80s/low 90s on Metacritic
Step 2: Metacritic user scores will be low, and this will be called the "real score."
Step 3: They'll say Sony paid for the review scores.
Step 4: Ghost of Yotei will have strong first-week sales.
Step 5: People will attempt to discredit the sales by comparing Ghost of Yotei sales to games like WuKong and Elden Ring. You're also going to see people say it's shipped, not sold.

Step 6: The usual suspects on Twitter/X will share some stupid sales data from some random reddit/4chan user.
Step 7: Mat Piscatella/Christ Dring will report strong sales for September
Step 8: People will start moving on.
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scores and awards by woke acces media means jack shit for any high profile game ...and has been this way for years...its only fanboy fodder for forum gloating and nothing more...

And the only sales comparison it matters is against the previous game and maybe other sony sequels.

Lets see if fanboys will be honest with this game or will pretend the game achieved sales expectations even if sell half the numbers of the first game like they did with The last of us 2.
 
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it's scary how big and how fast that steam curated list is growing and how deep it goes.

this might be the straw that breaks the camels back for me, i think i might genuinely be done with games.

like besides GTA6 i'm not giving any of these people my money anymore.

I'd rather go waste them on Pro V1s which i'll lose on the first drive
 
StueyDuck said:
it's scary how big and how fast that steam curated list is growing and how deep it goes.

this might be the straw that breaks the camels back for me, i think i might genuinely be done with games.

like besides GTA6 i'm not giving any of these people my money anymore.

I'd rather go waste them on Pro V1s which i'll lose on the first drive
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GTA had its development right in highest peak of the woke social movement... if it escaped unscathed will be a miracle.
 
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