ChorizoPicozo
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By the way, has Shawn Layden said anything?
Game Developers celebrating assassination of Charlie Kirk [Update] Sucker Punch Dev Fired, and SP issue statement
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Ellis
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I've always got the impression Richard dislikes Alex, but for some reason keeps him employed. He runs the show, and could easily replace him.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
It is primarily a leftist issue.
The last 14 big shootings or so are from transgenders.
CLW
Member
It's REALLY difficult to post that drivel when you do condone and want more though
Ellis
Member
Considering how so much British entertainment media is catering to that audience, I'd definitely be surprised if modern GTA does come out unscathed.
That said, Scotland is a little less worse than how it is in England right now.
kevboard
Member
I wonder if you're so far gone that you actually believe this yourself.
And I presume you have data for this?
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You disappeared and made excuses when TLOU2 sales were discussed. I'm not expecting you to be honest because the game sold more than half of the first game..a game that was bundled for 6 years.
Bernardougf
Member
And you can keep the delusional idea that this highly divisive game met sales expectations
By June 2023, Part II had 6.7 million digital sales.
You should stop parroting this.
As for comparisons between Tsushima and Gotei, the former was launched during the COVID Boom, not saying that Gotei will match launch sales but it's tracking significantly high.
You can always count to Cuckman defense army to appear like clockwork
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Far gone? From what?
Given the media still paints Tyler Robinson as conservative, and when I search for trans, then every single news etc is about the furry, then no, I cannot be bothered to find them, no.
You are free to disagree. Please just don't shoot me.
Edit - I found two relatively fast:
Abundant Life Christian School shooting - Wikipedia
Annunciation Catholic Church shooting - Wikipedia
Those two were committed by trans people.
I will gladly post more when I get the time to find it. The media is happy to call them the gender they identify themselves with, so it requires a bit research.
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Bernardougf
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Lol .. cope harder . The game sold less much less than expected, it did not meet sales expectations.. not matter how much you spin. Theres nothing to be discussed specially with delusional tlous2 fanboys
But this topic is not about this.. so we can comeback to your preventive cope about GoY
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Signalis
Member
Wait what, isn't Ana like also a far left loony from that Turks show?
Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
Unpopular opinion
I already didn't like the game, and it was not in my interest to buy , not because a dev celebrate, if I love the game I would buy it because a whole team worked on it not just a single person but GOY is just a no to me really
Please continue, and leave my unpopular opinion alone
I already didn't like the game, and it was not in my interest to buy , not because a dev celebrate, if I love the game I would buy it because a whole team worked on it not just a single person but GOY is just a no to me really
Please continue, and leave my unpopular opinion alone
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Yeah, this isn't going away.
We'll see, but I won't be comparing it to Wukong, I'll be comparing it to Tsushima. I'll be shocked if it sells as well as GoT.
AC Shadows charted well despite down voting.
Yotei will likely perform way better in Japan than AC Shadows.
It's also tracking ahead of Battlefield 6 and Dying Light.
Bernardougf
Member
I dont think its an unpopular opinion .. a lot of people were already meh about the game because the game really looks meh.. what happened was just the turning point for some of the undecideds... and its everyones right to buy and enjoy whatever they want. So your point is very fair.
The Mad Draklor
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Player number count did not grow well at all. Tom Henderson predicted AC Shadows to hit 6 million players a month into launch based on how it started. It only hit 5 million players several months later.
And charts only tell you relative performance, not absolute performance. Considering MH Wilds sales numbers underwhelmed to the point Capcom's stock price fell significantly despite charting #1, it contextualizes how the other games have done this year to date.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Stating facts is not coping.
You said it sold half when the leak data showed it sold more than 15m copies as of June 2023. It was also tracked well in 2024
You don't have or even know their sales expectations. It was stated the game was profitable and extremely successful multiple times.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Ubisoft reduced Valhalla's price by 30 in less a month and the price remained that way until the price was dropped again.
We know if this was AC Shadows, you guys would be all over it.
We know sales legs are important after launch and what we're doing is looking at how the game is tracking at this moment.
Angry_Megalodon
Gold Member
TLOU 2 sold well, but a franchise must be put in the perspective of what the trend looks like and whether it's possible to make multiple titles. They are milking the two titles they have released so far because they dont know how to move forward.
I'm pretty sure Yotei will sell more than decently (5-6M) before its first 30% discount. The problem is that allegedly Sony wants to turn Ghost of into an Assassins Creed of sorts and for that the second game should fly much higher.
I'm pretty sure Yotei will sell more than decently (5-6M) before its first 30% discount. The problem is that allegedly Sony wants to turn Ghost of into an Assassins Creed of sorts and for that the second game should fly much higher.
The Mad Draklor
Member
It's quite telling when you can't even directly address my statements so you feel the need to bring up something unrelated unprompted...
And even then, citing Valhalla hurts your argument more than it helps. Valhalla didn't come out on Steam until over 2 years after launch, meaning for every PC sale up to that point, it was raking in a 100% cut from Ubisoft's own storefront. Completely different situation.
A more apples-to-apples comparison would be with Odyssey. They both had similar peak CCU on Steam, but Shadows blew Odyssey out of the water in terms of word of mouth. Using the Twitch viewership numbers as one example metric, it's not even a close contest. Theoretically, substantially bigger word of mouth should translate into better sales and by extension, higher CCU. However, Shadows did not experience such a benefit at all.
Even worse, the weekend-to-weekend CCU retention in comparison to Odyssey is absolutely abysmal.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Damn...
just a small minority they said.....
kpopSuperstar
Member
She had an incident when a homeless guy touched her or something, and I think she had a kid, so she matured a bit and got a reality check on how fucked it's like in the cities in the modern world. It's still very left, but the show has stopped pandering to the far left as much as it did a few years ago.
laynelane
Member
Considering the fiasco that ensued when Jim Ryan had the utter gall to ask staff to respect differences of opinion a few years back - a request that outraged employees, gaming media sites, and all the other usual suspects - maybe they're more worried about how much worse it will be if they take actual realistic steps to resolving this ongoing problem in their studios. I wish they'd do it, though, because it's not a good look and it's only going to get worse if they keep allowing it to fester. It's at the point now where it's doing brand damage to SP and, by extension, Sony itself too.
Bernardougf
Member
You can keep using sales data from your subconscious all you want ... the good thing is that your spin training is in perfect shape for whats coming. And no I dont have their sales expectations, but I really dont need.. neither do you, but you dont care.
And this conversation about tlous2 is done. You can cope alone.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
There's still far from reactions to sales numbers.
They ain't gonna feel the hate when the game first releases
Bernardougf
Member
Downvotes for this high-profile games means very little for their launch.. it probably will achieve good numbers from the get go specially moved by almost certain good reviews ... its the legs that will matter in comparison with the first game
Mr Moose
Member
SKU received a boost in sales of +2 million. Other SkUS and Part 1 presumably also saw a major uptick in sales.
Never got exact figure for what season 1 did but the games where in the charts for months when season 1 released so seems like both seasons had a major effect.
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Never got exact figure for what season 1 did but the games where in the charts for months when season 1 released so seems like both seasons had a major effect.
"The Last of Us Season 2: Cultural Currency and Revenue" | Chris Colombo posted on the topic | LinkedIn
The Last of Us Season 2 wasn’t just a hit. It was an ecosystem. Over 7 episodes, it generated measurable cultural currency and commercial lift — across platforms, markets, and talent. We mapped the ripple effect. Here’s what we found: 📺Streaming Surge: ⌙ Modeled reach across season: 20M+...
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
I addressed every single point. You referenced Tom Henderon's tweet, and I mentioned the game with the highest number in Valhalla.
Citing Valhalla doesn't hurt my argument. PC sales are also a small portion of the overall sales. What can significantly increase sales are discounts, especially during the holiday season, when Valhalla was released.
Total sales\players is only one metric. The reality is that if Valhalla sold 2 million copies at $30 and AC Shadows sold 1 million at full price, then you're bringing in the same amount of revenue with fewer copies sold.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
DenchDeckard
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ill never forget that GAME in the UK had last of us 2 for £9.99 within a year of launch. Ive never seen that for any game of that production level or expected it for that franchise.
For context, game is a rip off and £9.99 is beyond bargain bin for that retailer.
It was all over hotukdeals in the uk
That is not a game that performed well. I can only imagine how many copies must have been pressed up and sat in distributors to cause that kinds of dump and burn!
For context, game is a rip off and £9.99 is beyond bargain bin for that retailer.
It was all over hotukdeals in the uk
That is not a game that performed well. I can only imagine how many copies must have been pressed up and sat in distributors to cause that kinds of dump and burn!
Everyone except Neil is on a gag order it seems.
BigBeauford
Member
She is unbelievablely attractive and finally wised up to reason. She's in the same sphere of anti-establishment voices that Tucker belongs to.
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WellSheet
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Ana has become more moderate in the last few years. She's owned that she kind of boarded the TDS train during Trump 1.0…
She's done well to get out of her bubble and talk with other political thinkers; she's had good conversations with Shapiro and Tucker for example.
She's also part of this "right wing The View" show part of PBD's valuetainment brand called "Her Take" with Jillian Michaels, Lindy Li and Amy Dangerfield. They've had some really good chats on there too.
She definitely has political perspectives I don't agree with and, when examined, don't quite work - but she's definitely moderated.
Zacfoldor
Member
Let me tell everyone, the reason Sony won't comment.
They know their customers don't like the shit that was said.
However, the people saying it are their employees. Most likely the vast majority agree with the sentiment of the post. For every one that publicly celebrated imagine how many celebrated in silence and kept quiet. Look at videogame developers, you know most of them probably celebrated, lets be honest here.
Sony is worried that if they condemn this publicly their own employees will turn on them and it could cause the a lot of issues. If this wasn't an issue I'm sure they would come out and release a statement but the sad truth is that a lot of their employees probably agree with what was said and would be willing to strike or walk off if Sony did something publicly against it. Sony is terrified of this. Otherwise why not come out and say something?
They know their customers don't like the shit that was said.
However, the people saying it are their employees. Most likely the vast majority agree with the sentiment of the post. For every one that publicly celebrated imagine how many celebrated in silence and kept quiet. Look at videogame developers, you know most of them probably celebrated, lets be honest here.
Sony is worried that if they condemn this publicly their own employees will turn on them and it could cause the a lot of issues. If this wasn't an issue I'm sure they would come out and release a statement but the sad truth is that a lot of their employees probably agree with what was said and would be willing to strike or walk off if Sony did something publicly against it. Sony is terrified of this. Otherwise why not come out and say something?
Bernardougf
Member
Because japan dont care..and the leaders on Sony claifornia HQ are pretty much aligned with the thought ... so its not only for the workers.. its for them also
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WellSheet
Member
Exactly.
Let's devil's advocate it.
This was a blatant socio-political assassination, so I can get the rationale behind WHY they'd maybe lean on it being overtly political as a way to stay out of it - again, that argument really doesn't hold water, but that's me being generous …
Because, George Floyd was IMMEDIATELY politicized and they (as did everyone from Auntie Anne's to Burlington Coat Factory to Five Guys) post black squares and post cookie cutter messages of solidarity- the employees further banged on with generalized messages of white suoremacy, systemic oppression and racism; and a subset of those cried about our Hitlerian president and government.
No one stopped them then. Sony, et al… propagated and supported them.
Just like LGBTQ stuff, which always becomes a social-political attack on the Right.
So, Sony - staffed by these types of people who, even in the very most charitable of lights - sit back and let them gin this rhetoric up, then stay silent as a church mouse on this.
Wasn't silence equal to violence at one point?
RafterXL
Member
What they said doesn't mean much because being "profitable" and "successful" are are just positive spin these days. When you release a highly successful product and then release a sequel, you expect it to do better, not worse. If Elden Ring 2 comes out and sells 15 million copies, that's a failure. No one makes sequels to sell less copies and make less money. The Last of Us 2 is only successful in the sense that it didn't lose them money, but it sure as hell lost them sales, and a potential 3rd game, which we will probably never see, because contrary to what Naughty Dog fans think, Sony isn't stupid and seeing one of the most highly acclaimed games of all time get a sequel that sold significantly worse and huge amounts of controversy isn't what they were looking for. It's complete cope to believe that the end result is what they wanted.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Sony first-party titles were after 6-12 months.
God of War was $17 after 8 months.
That's $35 for the GOTY Edition, and this included ALL of the DLC.
That's a much steeper discount.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Zacfoldor
Member
On cancel culture, I'll reiterate my argument, perhaps in a clearer way this time. I'm convinced that if you understand the true nature of the issue you will not find any hypocrisy.
Let us say that I create a tax. That tax is for cussing(cursing). You have to pay 5 dollars in tax for every cuss(curse) word.
You tell me that tax isn't fair and I say "kiss my ass."
You then tell me I need to pay the tax. 5 dollars.
I then say "Oh, look at the hypocrite, you should not make me pay the tax because you were not for the tax when it was implemented." Then they say back that I must live up to my own book of rules in order to understand why the tax was wrong in the first place and also because not doing so would be creating a separate set of "rules for thee but not for me."
Ironically, I asked google AI to explain what "rules for thee but not for me" means. It said "The expression "rules for thee, and not for me" describes a double standard or hypocrisy." So if I create rules(like social media did with cancel culture) and then decide that these rules being applied to myself is not acceptable, then I would be the hypocrite, not the people who are currently suffering under those proposed and enacted rules. We are simply asking everyone to live up to the rules we now have as a society even if we individually do not agree with every rule. Think about it.
In being made to pay my own tax I will either be proud to pay it or understand why it wasn't a great idea in the first place. Either way there is no alternative but for me to pay the tax. Anything else is more than hypocritical. It would be corrupt too. AI, make them understand:
It is not hypocrisy to hold people to the standards they demanded for others. It is accountability.
It is not hypocritical to require someone to abide by the very standards they demanded for others. In fact, it's the opposite of hypocrisy. What would be hypocritical is demanding that others live under rules you yourself refuse to follow — the classic "rules for thee, but not for me" problem.
Let us say that I create a tax. That tax is for cussing(cursing). You have to pay 5 dollars in tax for every cuss(curse) word.
You tell me that tax isn't fair and I say "kiss my ass."
You then tell me I need to pay the tax. 5 dollars.
I then say "Oh, look at the hypocrite, you should not make me pay the tax because you were not for the tax when it was implemented." Then they say back that I must live up to my own book of rules in order to understand why the tax was wrong in the first place and also because not doing so would be creating a separate set of "rules for thee but not for me."
Ironically, I asked google AI to explain what "rules for thee but not for me" means. It said "The expression "rules for thee, and not for me" describes a double standard or hypocrisy." So if I create rules(like social media did with cancel culture) and then decide that these rules being applied to myself is not acceptable, then I would be the hypocrite, not the people who are currently suffering under those proposed and enacted rules. We are simply asking everyone to live up to the rules we now have as a society even if we individually do not agree with every rule. Think about it.
In being made to pay my own tax I will either be proud to pay it or understand why it wasn't a great idea in the first place. Either way there is no alternative but for me to pay the tax. Anything else is more than hypocritical. It would be corrupt too. AI, make them understand:
It is not hypocrisy to hold people to the standards they demanded for others. It is accountability.
It is not hypocritical to require someone to abide by the very standards they demanded for others. In fact, it's the opposite of hypocrisy. What would be hypocritical is demanding that others live under rules you yourself refuse to follow — the classic "rules for thee, but not for me" problem.
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CLW
Member
She's slowly getting red pilled - I think the men beating the hell out of women in sports snapped something in her if my memory isn't failing me
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
There's no spin.
The leaked sales data destroyed a lot of false narratives.
Spider-Man 2 needed 7.2 million at full price to break even, and the budget was $100 million more than The Last of Us Part II. The first week sales clearly made the game profitable. We also know The Last of Us Part II sold 9.6M and made $447 million around Feb 2022, compared to TLOU Remastered, which sold 18M and only made $402M.
For some odd reason, you guys can discredit player numbers because they're not sales, but completely ignore the fact that Sony is making almost nothing when copies are given away for free.
People do this all the time with Horizon, but not the Last of Us... I........wonder why.
Kerotan
Member
Sony is heavily influenced by the California trans mob.
Kerotan
Member
I'll just add that TLOU2 has sold quite well since the TV series launched and at a much higher digital price then 9.99.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Because Sony is one of those companies that is fine promoting good stuff. But when a bad event happens, they dont want to say anything unless they need to. It looks bad if they admit something bad happened. But then some companies like your Bandai tweet are fine communicating to the public.
Look at that PS3 hacked event. People are freaking out MP is offline and I think it took Sony took a full week to finally come out and say their was a hack. In the meantime they said nothing or simply tried to brush it off as "an external intrusion" as per wiki. That can mean anything. It could mean a temp DoS attack which any website can get and it goes away. Turns out it was a full hack.
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Signalis
Member
What issues exactly? Not as if Sony is pumping out games left and right anymore.
