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[Vyer]

Once again the ability to separate the different forms of media come in handy.

It's a shame, but not exactly a surprise. And to be honest I am kinda curious how it would be to watch the show without the knowledge of the books. Usually that happens in reverse for me.

I'll watch the show in a new way, and then in 10 years or so I'll read the books whenever GRRM finally gets them hammered out.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Someone said book readers need to be punished? Punish them? For what, for being fans of something since the late 90s that most people have just heard of in the last few years? Just because you guys clicked a spoiler tag or some rare asshole spoiled something for you doesn't mean we all deserve this. Or because someone laughed at your reaction to a character death that the person already mourned, just like you, years ago?

We put hundreds of hours (double, triple that for re-readings) into these books, spent hours talking to our friends or forums on theories, etc, and all with the promise that these books should have been done almost ten years ago. We invested in this and the writer just can't keep up.

I'm not going to say anything to sound elitist or anything because fans are fans, no matter what, but this "haha book readers" shit is really kind of disgusting. It really sucks for us.

Good post.

Better get rid of all social media then. And lose contact with friends who watch the show.

Trust me, as a fan of the walking dead show who can't watch every single week and has a backlog, even the official AMC twitter spoils major deaths just days after they happened. You're going to get spoiled in the next 5-7 years.

Good thing I'm not on Facebook then! ^^

Possibly, but random spoilers being shouted out would impact my enjoyment less than if I had to suffer through another two (or more) seasons of Benioff and Weiss's awful writing.

I can handle having events spoiled in advance, even if I would prefer not to. But the biggest reason why I want to stop watching the show and avoid it spoiling the experience for me is that I don't want my first experience with the material to be something lackluster. Even if I have some deaths or twists spoiled for me, at least my first time reading those scenes will be Martin's prose and not the generally poor level of writing found in the show. I would hate to be reading a scene in the final book and be imagining some much less well done scene from the show just because that came out first.

Good point.

 

[SirRyanOfSmeg]

At least TV viewers won't have to worry about getting spoiled this time.

 

[ivysaur12]

I love that Benioff and Weiss claimed to be fans of the books but about two seasons in seemingly got sick of making the show and thus are doing their best to rush through it all and get it over with. Hacks.

Congratulations on having absolutely no idea on how television production works.

A lot of that is handled in a much more subtle way in the books. I just can't think of a logical reason to deviate from the book plot other than "hey, these two are both really good fighters, we should have them face off!"

That's what bothered me about it.

I haven't read the books and it all worked really well for me. Maybe there was another way to accomplish the same scene. But what was on screen was really well done.

 

[jamesinclair]

Now, that's an awful thing to do. The fact that Japanese still do 100's of episodes even while the book is unfinished just annoys me, it's a waste of time, money, and talent.

People eat out up though.

Look at the walking dead. They go so slow at some points it's like a single page is stretched into an entire episode.

And people eat it up.

 

[Rentahamster]

Man book readers
Were pissed at the

Spoiler

Night King and how The Others are created

reveal last season.

Didn't bother me. It was kinda exciting, actually.

 

[The Illiterati]

Congratulations on having absolutely no idea on how television production works.

Congratulations on being completely condescending. So you're saying the realities of TV production mean they are forced to put out a sub-standard watered down cliff notes version of a series of books I love? The realities of tv production are what force them to ruin characters by leaving out their primary motivations in scenes that actually aired in the show? But since you haven't read the books you wouldn't know this. So its pointless to discuss.

 

[ivysaur12]

Congratulations on being completely condescending. So you're saying the realities of TV production mean they are forced to put out a sub-standard watered down cliff notes version of a series of books I love? The realities of tv production are what force them to ruin characters by leaving out their primary motivations in scenes that actually aired in the show? But since you haven't read the books you wouldn't know this. So its pointless to discuss.

Let's go back to the transcript:

I love that Benioff and Weiss claimed to be fans of the books but about two seasons in seemingly got sick of making the show and thus are doing their best to rush through it all and get it over with. Hacks.

There is no "rushing it through". This is how television production works. You cannot stop production on a show once it's started. And cable shows going longer than 7-8 years are extremely difficult to the point where it almost never happens do to financial reasons. They are working in the constraints of what television production will allow, your feelings on the series regardless.

Maybe next time to you post, you make it more clear what exactly you mean by "rushing it through." Most of us will just assume you're using those words according to their dictionary definition.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

The only reason this bothers me is because it will be impossible to avoid spoilers, so I have to watch the show. I can't avoid every avenue of communication with people for 2-3 years (give or take) while he finishes the last book .

This really sucks.

 

[WaffleTaco]

Eh this has been obvious since the show started. And I think people quitting watching the show because of being spoiled by it, don't realise that at this point, they are not even going to be entirely similar at all based on season 5. They are going to get to the ending in a similar fashion, but they are taking a different route. Spoilers for Season 5: Look at

Spoiler

Jamie being in Dorne, Sansa in Winterfell, Brienne going North, Sam not going to Oldtown, and probably quite a few more.

Season 5 is when it goes off the rails and we will see if their original material can be like Robert's/Cersei conversation in Season 1 or Yara's trip to the Dreadfort in Season 4.

 

[hammertomb]

Nope . Not watching the new season. I've been waiting too long for winds of winter.

 

[Loofy]

We knew this was going to happen. Man book readers
Were pissed at the

Spoiler

Night King and how The Others are created

reveal last season.

Show indirectly spoiled things too. Like when Melisandre kidnapped Gendry. That never happened in the book, but now we know Melisandre using his blood for magic will never be a plotline.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Someone said book readers need to be punished? Punish them? For what, for being fans of something since the late 90s that most people have just heard of in the last few years? Just because you guys clicked a spoiler tag or some rare asshole spoiled something for you doesn't mean we all deserve this. Or because someone laughed at your reaction to a character death that the person already mourned, just like you, years ago?

We put hundreds of hours (double, triple that for re-readings) into these books, spent hours talking to our friends or forums on theories, etc, and all with the promise that these books should have been done almost ten years ago. We invested in this and the writer just can't keep up.

I'm not going to say anything to sound elitist or anything because fans are fans, no matter what, but this "haha book readers" shit is really kind of disgusting. It really sucks for us.

 

[Rorschach]

I've gone relatively unspoiled as a show watcher and I will return the favor. Seems the book readers (at least the ones I've come in contact with here and irl) have found more pleasure in seeing our reactions to the big moments than spoiling those moments for us. Pretty cool community.

I've been reading the first book. There are quite a few differences. I'm now conflicted if I want to continue the show. :< It will spoil the books, but I like the cast so much. :\

 

[PfantzyPantz]

Possibly, but random spoilers being shouted out would impact my enjoyment less than if I had to suffer through another two (or more) seasons of Benioff and Weiss's awful writing.

I can handle having events spoiled in advance, even if I would prefer not to. But the biggest reason why I want to stop watching the show and avoid it spoiling the experience for me is that I don't want my first experience with the material to be something lackluster. Even if I have some deaths or twists spoiled for me, at least my first time reading those scenes will be Martin's prose and not the generally poor level of writing found in the show. I would hate to be reading a scene in the final book and be imagining some much less well done scene from the show just because that came out first.

Amen brother. I finally decided to read the books thanks to how bad I found S4 to be, especially when I found out all the scenes I had issue with were either filler or just outright changed from the books. I'm baffled by how terrible the writing in the show is at times; does a great disservice to the fantastic sets, costumes, and actors.

I'm much happier reading the series now, so I'll suffer the spoilers when they come.

 

[Blader]

My first reaction to this thread was sweet karma, but then...

Someone said book readers need to be punished? Punish them? For what, for being fans of something since the late 90s that most people have just heard of in the last few years? Just because you guys clicked a spoiler tag or some rare asshole spoiled something for you doesn't mean we all deserve this. Or because someone laughed at your reaction to a character death that the person already mourned, just like you, years ago?

We put hundreds of hours (double, triple that for re-readings) into these books, spent hours talking to our friends or forums on theories, etc, and all with the promise that these books should have been done almost ten years ago. We invested in this and the writer just can't keep up.

I'm not going to say anything to sound elitist or anything because fans are fans, no matter what, but this "haha book readers" shit is really kind of disgusting. It really sucks for us.

The desperation in this post is so palpable I actually feel bad.

 

[Brazil]

Only the broadest of the plot lines will end up in the same place. I'm not worried, we'll have some kinda Full Metal Alchemist thing where everyone looks back and hates the ending by the adaption in 15 years (when George releases the last book!)

If it really ends up like FMA then GRRM's ending will be the one looked down upon.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Someone said book readers need to be punished? Punish them? For what, for being fans of something since the late 90s that most people have just heard of in the last few years? Just because you guys clicked a spoiler tag or some rare asshole spoiled something for you doesn't mean we all deserve this. Or because someone laughed at your reaction to a character death that the person already mourned, just like you, years ago?

We put hundreds of hours (double, triple that for re-readings) into these books, spent hours talking to our friends or forums on theories, etc, and all with the promise that these books should have been done almost ten years ago. We invested in this and the writer just can't keep up.

I'm not going to say anything to sound elitist or anything because fans are fans, no matter what, but this "haha book readers" shit is really kind of disgusting. It really sucks for us.



Better get rid of all social media then. And lose contact with friends who watch the show.

Trust me, as a fan of the walking dead show who can't watch every single week and has a backlog, even the official AMC twitter spoils major deaths just days after they happened. You're going to get spoiled in the next 5-7 years.

Agreed with the post, but man so many people think that book readers and those watching the show are mutually exclusive. At this point I'm tired of GRRM's bullshit and want to finish the story.

 

[DrForester]

Where one could reasonably avoid GOT spoilers for the book, barring the occasional asshole, it's totally impractical for people to avoid spoilers for the show when every death and big event becomes a meme minutes after it airs.

Book fans complaining that they get the ending (and a watered down version of the ending) are totally valid. Imagine if that last Harry Potter film came out first. You would get a few extra bits of backstory by reading, but the main plot would be ruined for you. You'd know who lives and who dies. It's even worse for something like GOT where it's not a simple good vs. evil battle and you really don't know how it will end.

 

[Tender Joe]

Someone said book readers need to be punished? Punish them? For what, for being fans of something since the late 90s that most people have just heard of in the last few years? Just because you guys clicked a spoiler tag or some rare asshole spoiled something for you doesn't mean we all deserve this. Or because someone laughed at your reaction to a character death that the person already mourned, just like you, years ago?

We put hundreds of hours (double, triple that for re-readings) into these books, spent hours talking to our friends or forums on theories, etc, and all with the promise that these books should have been done almost ten years ago. We invested in this and the writer just can't keep up.

I'm not going to say anything to sound elitist or anything because fans are fans, no matter what, but this "haha book readers" shit is really kind of disgusting. It really sucks for us.

Dude, please go back and read some of the book-reader reactions from this thread: http://neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=529128&page=155 concerning the Red Wedding (including yours) and tell me with a straight face that you don't understand some of the bitterness and smug satisfaction that certain people may get from this news.

I am not a book reader, and I totally understand why this is could be a huge bummer, but do not feign ignorance as to why people may react this way.

 

[Maengun1]

I find all this "nothing to be done about it" and "the show must go on" talk a little weird. I mean, the show must go on, of course, but maybe not so relentlessly?

HBO's previous biggest show ever, The Sopranos, actually didn't air every single year. There were two 2-year-long breaks between seasons. The show took an extra year off between seasons 4 and 5, and again between 5 and 6 (which was *additionally* separated into 2 chunks airing a year apart).

Similarly, AMC's Mad Men had a 2-year break between the 4th and 5th seasons due to contract negotiations. Point being, it has been done.

HBO wants to keep their biggest hit going while it's hot, of course, but I don't think it should be impossible to take a little extra time off if it would help Martin gets the books out faster. Big if, of course. And I'm only talking about Winds Of Winter. A Dream Of Spring would probably be another 4-5 years after that, rendering this mostly pointless. But hey, it's a thought.

As a book reader, I don't even care that much about all this btw. It's on Martin, really. I'll still always consider the books the "real" version, regardless of the show finishing first.

 

[HK-47]

God damn grrm you lazy hack, he honestly should have just given all of his notes to Sanderson to finish. That guy would hammer out the rest of the series in 2 years max

I'm tempted to skip season 6 because of this but I obviously will succumb to it and watch it live. Gonna be an interesting experience no longer knowing whats to come

It would be done but with less interesting characters.

 

[dead souls]

Where one could reasonably avoid GOT spoilers for the book, barring the occasional asshole, it's totally impractical for people to avoid spoilers for the show when every death and big event becomes a meme minutes after it airs.

Yep. I don't even understand why people are acting like staying in the dark is something that could even be possible short of living in a monastery in the middle of nowhere.

GoT has reached the level of popularity where every major event/death will be covered in newspapers/magazines/websites/news programs and so on. In fact once something happens on the show I don't even really consider it a spoiler anymore.

This was inevitable as soon as the show was announced so I'm a little baffled about the hand-wringing Martin and die-hard book fans are doing about it.

 

[Madness]

We'll have our revenge! As a show watcher forced into reading the books so I stopped getting spoiled or teased, it's time for the book readers to lose that superiority factor. I hate the fact I read the books. It completely took away from the show for me, because all I could do since was complain this and that was changed or this wasn't supposed to happen. So I'm glad we're getting fresh material.

It sucks but blame GRRM. 2 books in 15 years? What the fuck. When he had a proper editor he knocked out his 3 best books within 3-4 years. Storm of Swords was amazing writing. He's such a lazy guy, more about the conventions and premieres and interviews and football rather than writing. I'm not saying I could do it, but this is unheard of how long it takes, and his last two books were unnecessarily bloated.

 

[Monocle]

We'll have our revenge! As a show watcher forced into reading the books so I stopped getting spoiled or teased, it's time for the book readers to lose that superiority factor. I hate the fact I read the books. It completely took away from the show for me, because all I could do since was complain this and that was changed or this wasn't supposed to happen. So I'm glad we're getting fresh material.

It sucks but blame GRRM. 2 books in 15 years? What the fuck. When he had a proper editor he knocked out his 3 best books within 3-4 years. Storm of Swords was amazing writing. He's such a lazy guy, more about the conventions and premieres and interviews and football rather than writing. I'm not saying I could do it, but this is unheard of how long it takes, and his last two books were unnecessarily bloated.

I don't think it's being ungrateful or entitled to point out the obvious here. GRRM should buckle down and finish what he started. It would be better for him because he'd have more time to enjoy his success, and better for the fans because we wouldn't be waiting in suspense while the show charges through spoiler after spoiler.

And BTW, the books came first. For those of us who prefer them to the show, this is really lame.

 

[Atraveller]

good, books are for old people

You are dead to me.

 

[Jigorath]

Hurry up Georgie.

 

[Vyer]

Dude, please go back and read some of the book-reader reactions from this thread: http://neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=529128&page=155 concerning the Red Wedding (including yours) and tell me with a straight face that you don't understand some of the bitterness and smug satisfaction that certain people may get from this news.

I am not a book reader, and I totally understand why this is could be a huge bummer, but do not feign ignorance as to why people may react this way.

What gif did you post on that page bengraven? Did the mods actually delete your post?

 

[hobblygobbly]

The only place I've had the books spoiled for me was in EVE. Back when GoT became really popular (around second season), an alliance in one of their systems named their structures after A Feast For Crows + A Dance With Dragons events/spoilers, I had not read the book A Dance With Dragons yet at the time. They spoiled it for a lot of people because 400-600 of us had hopped into the system and began to notice names of things... it was a Pandemic Legion staging system I think or a goon staging system, can't really remember.

 

[Anjelus_]

1. It's beyond evident very few of you, if any, have experience writing novels. GRRM is not lazy, he works quite hard on the books. Consider that each individual Ice and Fire book is the size of about three "normal" books in and of itself. It's a complex work. Winds of Winter will be done when it's done.

2. The novels are so complex, and so much deeper than the show, it'll be very hard for the show to -truly- spoil them. There's so much that's been left out, simplified, and sloppily adapted.

3. The show took a tremendous slip in quality in the recent season, and I'm quite frankly tired of all the horribly written "made up" scenes they've been coming up with (coughTheDogscough). I already decided to stop watching based on that alone. I like Game of Thrones as an adaptation of A Song of Ice and Fire, I have zero interest in watching a show written by B&W. With only a few exceptions, their changes and unique scenes have always been for the worse.

4. Internet spoilers don't bother me. I'm not on social media, I don't have a great interest in the show one way or the other. If I happen to read something... meh? I'm not going to assume it'll be the same in the book, and I'll more than likely have forgotten about it by the time the book is released.

5. I was already abandoning the GoT ship after the epic fail Tyrion material in the S4 finale. This just confirms that's a good move. I'll catch the rest of the show in 10 years or whatever, it's cool.

 

[Partition]

Lol! HBO's so greedy it's ridiculous. They've skipped entire years for shows like The Wire, The Sopranos, Curb Your Enthusiasm, etc., but for some reason they can't take a year off from this show? Geez. I don't even watch GoT, but I just find it hard to believe that they can't take at least one year off. Redo contracts or whatever, but at least let Martin (slow as fuck though he may be) finish the books first.

it's simply not possible. the last book will not be out until late 2017 at the VERY VERY earliest - and could take as long as 2020. they simply can't delay the show 2+ years, lol.

this is way more GRRM's problem than it is D&Ds/HBO's. He brought this upon himself.

 

[Ratrat]

I think we are safe until Season 7. A Dream of Spring should follow it by 4-5 years....

 

[Brian Fellows]

Good. My interest in the books is dead. If it bothers Martin that is just the cherry on top.

 

[Prince of Space]

Damn, I was hoping book 6 would at least be out by the time the show had caught up.

 

[Lothar]

Dude, please go back and read some of the book-reader reactions from this thread: http://neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=529128&page=155 concerning the Red Wedding (including yours) and tell me with a straight face that you don't understand some of the bitterness and smug satisfaction that certain people may get from this news.

I am not a book reader, and I totally understand why this is could be a huge bummer, but do not feign ignorance as to why people may react this way.

The spoiler thread was complaining about those people too. Don't think they represent most book readers. There were annoying people on both sides. That's just the way it's going to be in a big community. Look at the idiot non-book reader on pg 152 of that thread that googled something and then asked in the thread if it was true or not. I think that was a bigger problem and that tended to happen a lot. One non book reader would get spoiled by his friend and he just had to let the thread know he was spoiled and it was something bad. Some non book readers would look at wikipedia, spoiling it for themselves, and then forget they read it on wikipedia and stay in the thread.

Every time a spoiler was dropped or even a hint at something in the no-spoiler thread, the spoiler thread would freak out just as much. They looked after you guys. It was a constant debate there about whether certain posters knew too much or was just making really good guesses.

 

[TAJ]

I still just dont see how it adds anything or made sense.

It truly felt like an added moment. Not something that was part of the story. I watched it with non book readers and they actually asked me as soon as the episode ended if thats what happened in the book. It just seemed really out of place.

Now you're just making shit up. It's sad.

 

[El Topo]

I think we are safe until Season 7. The Winds of Winter should follow it by 4-5 years....

There was a small mistake in your post I had to fix.

 

[Ratrat]

There was a small mistake in your post I had to fix.

Har har. 4-5 years between books is reasonable. 10? There is no reason to believe it will be even close to that.

 

[BrassDragon]

I honestly don't mind the wait for the books or the show doing its own thing, that's just the way it goes.

The thing that worries me most is the effect this has on Martin - it's obvious he has difficulty maintaining the drive and focus to finish his series, he even admitted he's more of a starter than a finisher. My concern is that when the show starts tying things up, it will diminish his will to write even further because the story is already 'out there'.

I don't mind the loooong waits between installments because I honestly think each book is a gem but the notion that he'll never finish is a painful one.

 

[Maengun1]

1. It's beyond evident very few of you, if any, have experience writing novels. GRRM is not lazy, he works quite hard on the books. Consider that each individual Ice and Fire book is the size of about three "normal" books in and of itself. It's a complex work. Winds of Winter will be done when it's done.

2. The novels are so complex, and so much deeper than the show, it'll be very hard for the show to -truly- spoil them. There's so much that's been left out, simplified, and sloppily adapted.

3. The show took a tremendous slip in quality in the recent season, and I'm quite frankly tired of all the horribly written "made up" scenes they've been coming up with (coughTheDogscough). I already decided to stop watching based on that alone. I like Game of Thrones as an adaptation of A Song of Ice and Fire, I have zero interest in watching a show written by B&W. With only a few exceptions, their changes and unique scenes have always been for the worse.

4. Internet spoilers don't bother me. I'm not on social media, I don't have a great interest in the show one way or the other. If I happen to read something... meh? I'm not going to assume it'll be the same in the book, and I'll more than likely have forgotten about it by the time the book is released.

5. I was already abandoning the GoT ship after the epic fail Tyrion material in the S4 finale. This just confirms that's a good move. I'll catch the rest of the show in 10 years or whatever, it's cool.

I agree with your points, particularly that the show has gotten worse with time, not better. I think season 1 is fantastic, and a damn near perfect adaptation. Season 2 is really good. Seasons 3 and 4 are where the adapting gets much harder, and the show suffers as a result. Obviously changes need to be made to fit the story to a television show, but I think most of the decisions they've made regarding changes and basic plotting have been poor ones.

I think people have a right to be angry with Martin, though. I don't necessarily think he's lazy, or being too slow with the books......I want him to take as much time as he needs to make the books as good as possible. His mistake, IMO, was agreeing to give the tv show the green light before finishing the books (or being close enough that he could definitely avoid the current situation he's in). Maybe this was his one chance with HBO, but I doubt it. I think he could have stalled the show rather than the books if he really wanted to. He got excited about the show and got dollar signs in his eyes and jumped in too soon, and now here we are.

 

[Nocebo]

1. It's beyond evident very few of you, if any, have experience writing novels. GRRM is not lazy, he works quite hard on the books. Consider that each individual Ice and Fire book is the size of about three "normal" books in and of itself. It's a complex work. Winds of Winter will be done when it's done.

2. The novels are so complex, and so much deeper than the show, it'll be very hard for the show to -truly- spoil them. There's so much that's been left out, simplified, and sloppily adapted.

3. The show took a tremendous slip in quality in the recent season, and I'm quite frankly tired of all the horribly written "made up" scenes they've been coming up with (coughTheDogscough). I already decided to stop watching based on that alone. I like Game of Thrones as an adaptation of A Song of Ice and Fire, I have zero interest in watching a show written by B&W. With only a few exceptions, their changes and unique scenes have always been for the worse.

4. Internet spoilers don't bother me. I'm not on social media, I don't have a great interest in the show one way or the other. If I happen to read something... meh? I'm not going to assume it'll be the same in the book, and I'll more than likely have forgotten about it by the time the book is released.

5. I was already abandoning the GoT ship after the epic fail Tyrion material in the S4 finale. This just confirms that's a good move. I'll catch the rest of the show in 10 years or whatever, it's cool.

Totally agree with this.

Very often you can tell whenever a movie or tv adaptation of a book strays from the source material. It becomes much less thought out etc. and explanations for things seem to become "just because" more often than not. I gave up on the show early in the last season because I had already read the books beyond that point and the series just wasn't up to snuff.

I don't think I will pick it back up again any time soon. I don't use social media and only have one friend who can be bad with spoilers... we'll see how it goes.

 

[El Topo]

Har har. 4-5 years between books is reasonable. 10? There is no reason to believe it will be even close to that.

Just the good old running joke. I'm confident we'll get the books in a reasonable time frame. Who knows, maybe tWoW isn't that far off.

 

[Dr.Acula]

If you look at page count over time, GRRM is actually a really fast writer.

By word count as well (even faster!) (+holy shit @ WoT):

 

[Ratrat]

It should be compared to his contemporaries. Erikson, Abraham, Bakker, Lynch etc.

 

[Lanhalt]

Damn, I was hoping book 6 would at least be out by the time the show had caught up.

This is still possible. The book will not be out in 2015, but we can hope for 2016 or 2017. The serie is at the end of book 3, and I think 2 season seems fair to adapt affc ana adwd, and that lead us to april 2017 for new stuff. We may still have TWoW before the serie catch, which would be nice.

 

[Eidan]

I find all this "nothing to be done about it" and "the show must go on" talk a little weird. I mean, the show must go on, of course, but maybe not so relentlessly?

HBO's previous biggest show ever, The Sopranos, actually didn't air every single year. There were two 2-year-long breaks between seasons. The show took an extra year off between seasons 4 and 5, and again between 5 and 6 (which was *additionally* separated into 2 chunks airing a year apart).

Similarly, AMC's Mad Men had a 2-year break between the 4th and 5th seasons due to contract negotiations. Point being, it has been done.

HBO wants to keep their biggest hit going while it's hot, of course, but I don't think it should be impossible to take a little extra time off if it would help Martin gets the books out faster. Big if, of course. And I'm only talking about Winds Of Winter. A Dream Of Spring would probably be another 4-5 years after that, rendering this mostly pointless. But hey, it's a thought.

As a book reader, I don't even care that much about all this btw. It's on Martin, really. I'll still always consider the books the "real" version, regardless of the show finishing first.

"Relentless". Creating a new season every year...without mercy!

This is absolutely no reason why they should delay the show for a book whose publication date is still up in the air.

 

[Madness]

Sopranos being delayed had more to do with James Gandolfini, David Chase, contract negotiations, and just sheer filming and writing and not knowing where the story is going etc. They wanted to take their time.

But Game of Thrones, they already know where the story will go and how it will end. They're also working with child actors who are now all adults and so can't put it off any longer. They also only have limited time to shoot across 3-4 different countries. Anyone who's seen the preview for season 5 can see the difficulties in securing sets, locations, and just filming simultaneously. Sophie Turner is going to be Jean Grey in the next X-men. Pretty sure she wants to finish the show as quick as possible and move on.

Asking them to delay the show so the book readers don't get spoiled is hilarious. They're making so much money and would never risk letting the white hot show cool down. Strike while the iron is hot.

 

[chiliboy]

Can't wait for S5, please come fast April!

After the show is over I'll probably read all books and compare.

 

[Kinokou]

This is depressing.

Two people between a rock and hard place decide that their easy way out is to put lots of other people into that situation instead.

Not having spoiled anyone I want to demand mutual respect, but I don't cat call people yet still that doesn't stop some people from doing it towards me.

I still believe in a 2015 release for the next book. But even if that happens there would probably be a minimum of two years to get out the next one and by then the show is probably over. I'm probably overly optimistic.

As Maengun1 said, A one year breaks could be possible. Even more if they could make a one-three episode(s) Dunk and Egg special to put in in the gap year, and otherwise keep filming like the show came out every year. Optimism again.

Even if I knew this was the direction it was heading, seeing it officially declared like this is like a slap to the face.

George could solve this situation by coming out and saying that he will just quit the books. But I guess that's unlikely too.

I will probably need some more time to decide how to deal with this.

 

[Loke13]

This is depressing.

Two people between a rock and hard place decide that their easy way out is to put lots of other people into that situation instead.

Not having spoiled anyone I want to demand mutual respect, but I don't cat call people yet still that doesn't stop some people from doing it towards me.

I still believe in a 2015 release for the next book. But even if that happens there would probably be a minimum of two years to get out the next one and by then the show is probably over. I'm probably overly optimistic.

As Maengun1 said, A one year breaks could be possible. Even more if they could make a one-three episode(s) Dunk and Egg special to put in in the gap year, and otherwise keep filming like the show came out every year. Optimism again.

Even if I knew this was the direction it was heading, seeing it officially declared like this is like a slap to the face.

George could solve this situation by coming out and saying that he will just quit the books. But I guess that's unlikely too.

I will probably need some more time to decide how to deal with this.

It really isn't though the scope of productions itself would make that option impossible and that's even taking into consideration contract re-negotiations.