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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT2| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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It would be the time required for the lake to freeze over again.
The laws of physics?
It could have been as low as two days but that's kind of extreme and really doesn't fit the landmass we've been shown previously. Even then two is kind of a minimum, and that wouldn't take into account the lake needing to refreeze. They're still staring down the Night King for at least two days.
Dragons are supposed to be very intelligent creatures.
Robdraggoo
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Could not disagree more. She is the most expressive actor on this show.
Majmun
Member
Baddies also have plot armor
Crossing Eden
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According to real life rules. But we're talking perpetual winterland GoT ice here.
One of the best thread titles.
AndrewDean84xX
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I know I've complained in the past for all the "time traveling," but fuck. This episode was beyond bad with how fast shit was happening. You'd think Westeros was size of Ireland.
Then there isn't enough time for Gendry/Raven/Dragon Flight.
They could have had the Night King attempt to break down the wall with Magic or create a ruse to lure them in. Tormund could have sent a raven to Jon, deploy a strike force to engage the Night King, Dany show up to save the defenders, and lose a dragon in the process. Could have avoided the contrived events and maybe saved Benjen for next season.
As Dany's attention was divided, Euron could have surrounded Dragonstone, Dothraki unable to engage, dragons up in the north, and Unsullied out of position.
As Dany's attention was divided, Euron could have surrounded Dragonstone, Dothraki unable to engage, dragons up in the north, and Unsullied out of position.
The lake can't be that cold because Jon crawled out of it, ran away from zombies, and rode horseback to Eastwatch without dying of hypothermia on the way. Remember he's soaking wet the entire time, if not literally frozen at his extremities.
2-4 days is a reasonable estimation.
2-4 days is a reasonable estimation.
ComputerBlue
Member
To me they did show that tension, without the need for words to be spoken, they didn't look well at all. If you noticed, they were also wearing backpacks, so they had provisions with them obviously to help them with survival but there is no point in showing that kind of stuff, but I'm obviously not going to convince you otherwise and that's okay, it doesn't bother me much, it bothers you a great deal and that's fine because you have every reason to be pissed. But, I'm going to explain to you just how your eyes, ears and brain have deceived you during the first few episodes. So much so that you suspended any form of disbelief because you chose to, just as you could chose to do so right now, but instead are intentionally looking for things to complain about. Just as you have been since S5.
Back in the pilot episode it was said that it took the King a month to get from KL to Winterfell. Then, it took The king and Ned an episode to get back to KL from Winterfell. As intended, let's assume it also took them a month to travel back considering they had caravans and traveled together. Ned and Robert left WF in episode 2, and the very first scene in episode 3 is Ned arriving in KL. At the end of episode 2 after the Catspaw assassin tries to kill Bran, Cat is about to leave for KL herself, before she goes she says that she has prayed to the Gods for Bran to wake up for more than a month. So it's now established that it's been at least a month since Ned left for KL. Lets go back to the part where Ned arrives in KL at the start of episode 3, the first 10 minutes of the episode are him making his rounds, immediately after arriving, going to the throne room, going to meet the small council, few other scenes with Joffrey and Bran, then Arya in her bedroom. It all seems like it takes place over about a 24 hour period. The following scene though after this 24 hour period is Cat arriving in KL, following that scene is Ned receiving the raven from Cat which was sent from Winterfell before she even left WF. That raven just happened to arrived in KL that same morning that she did. How did she get there so fast? A month passed since Ned left, A raven was sent before Cat left, yet somehow Cat and the Raven arrive in KL what seems to be, as directed by showrunners about 24 hours after Ned's arrival.
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She didn't have to like burn whole citites. Just destroy the Lannister army and the newly magically created amazing fleet of Cersei's suitor and profit.
I get that there's a point to be made, but I feel like it's mostly made to obscur the obvious. It's not like Dany hasn't destroyed a couple of armies before
The power of wanting to see Ghost CGI again kept Jon alive.
SurrenderDorothy
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His fur coat was frozen solid tho
Crossing Eden
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Going with the 36 hour timeline someone proposed a while back. Staying stationary like that for four days would've killed them.
Nords have frost resistance.
nvm it's too big, just click it the link.
http://i.imgur.com/0sctfdA.gif
SurrenderDorothy
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She didn't have to like burn whole citites. Just destroy the Lannister army and the newly magically created amazing fleet of Cersei's suitor and profit.
I get that there's a point to be made, but I feel like it's mostly made to obscur the obvious. It's not like Dany hasn't destroyed a couple of armies before
They actually have a good reason not to kill the armies straight up: they want Westeros as a whole intact for war against the NK.
Why Jon never thinks to bring this up is ¯\_(ツ
_/¯toastyToast
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How do you know the next one won't be the real deal tho?
She didn't have to like burn whole citites. Just destroy the Lannister army and the newly magically created amazing fleet of Cersei's suitor and profit.
I get that there's a point to be made, but I feel like it's mostly made to obscur the obvious. It's not like Dany hasn't destroyed a couple of armies before
Seems like it would be pretty hard to pick and choose who to kill with dragons burning shit pretty indiscriminately!
And yes, she has, but I think Jon's point was that she should move toward a better direction if she wants to actually help people. Didn't she just torch a Lannister army? And she did it without killing a single innocent, which was the more attractive alternative to marching on KL? Kinda plays into the theme of keeping Danny grounded and good hearted instead of going mad/completely ruthless.
That's the way I saw it anyway.
SuperStiltzkin
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This forced conflict between Arya and Sansa is really pissing me off. Just really poor writing all around to manufacture this conflict in a completely unconvincing way. Arya sucks.
Things we lost because we don't have the balls to take out Cersei in a quick and decisive strike:
- Yara Greyjoy and the Greyjoy alliance
- Ellaria Sand, the Sand Snakes, and the Dornish army
- Lady Olenna Tyrell, High Garden, and the Reach
- Civilians lost during the sacking of High Garden
- Thoros of Myr
- Viserion
Yeah it does come off as forced. Probably the only real thing I haven't enjoyed this season.
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
Tyrion's plans have cost so many characters this season.
PixelatedBookake
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It has to be a work. I have too much faith in the Stark sisters for it not to be.
Robdraggoo
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Since dany is immune to fire, John must be immune to ice. It's o my fair he gets a super power too.
I feel like they wasted the potential for Thoros to revive fallen men while the battle raged on. Would have made for some good "hold them off while I bring him back!" tension. Yes, cheese, but better than the cheese we got. Beric could have died again and lost more of himself, or Hound could have died and be rez'd. Then Thoros could have died reviving a red shirt.
So why does she spend all her time staring blankly?
Crossing Eden
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No one has mentioned that the wights seem less like zombies and more like rotting normal soldiers. some unsettling examples of intelligence were this dude quite literally watching his steps to make sure he wasn't cracking the ice goading the others to do the same:
and they seemed to genuinely be trying to rescue the captured wight.
There's still so little we know about them.
and they seemed to genuinely be trying to rescue the captured wight.
There's still so little we know about them.
I think he might have been trying to kill him or free him. It's just that the NK doesn't want them taking one.
How many of those did they know they were going to lose though? Hindsight is something something. They just thought there'd be a siege at KL and they'd take Casterly Rock.
How many of those did they know they were going to lose though? Hindsight is something something. They just thought there'd be a siege at KL and they'd take Casterly Rock.
Seems like somewhat of a copout at this point to deceive the audience and make them think there's real tension between them, and just be like "oh they were just playing around because they knew LF would see it/hear about it"
Fantasizing about Jon's abs.
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
No one has mentioned that the wights seem less like zombies and more like rotting normal soldiers. some unsettling examples of intelligence were this dude quite literally watching his steps to make sure he wasn't cracking the ice goading the others to do the same:
I loved this wight, he wanted the Hound's head after he broke his jawbone.
MoonsaultSlayer
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What redeems the episode is if we see the Night King is indeed playing 5D chess and knew his perfect opportunity to get things to play out the way he wants/needs them to. Otherwise why wait? No archers? No giants to throw walkers over? No giant archers? They obviously had spears...
How can I apply to be a writer? Because this shit was DUMB.
I was cringing watching everything unfold the way it did and if I was able to think of this stuff live, paid writers should have been able to remedy it while writing.
Example:
The Night King, expecting Dany and her dragons, saw the opportunity to strike the stationary lead dragon with his enemies piling on. Just as he aims, dragon #2 approaches, threatening to take him out. NK changes targets and lands a successful strike. Cue staredown and being handed a second javelin.
How fucking hard would it have been to do this? His singular focus on the moving target was the STUPIDEST thing I've ever seen and I can't stop thinking about it. Second place?
Benjen: "There's no time" *smacks horse's ass and strikes hero pose while awaiting the walkers who eventually overwhelm him*
No. You have him in the middle of fighting as he says "There's no time", clear a wave, look back, then strike a hero pose for the next wave that eventually overwhelms him. Simple, more effective at conveying the urgency and necessitating his sacrifice.
Same with Jon. I don't remember fully how it happened, but a walker should have grabbed his leg preventing him from boarding Drogon causing him to get down and fight them off. Then Drogon's flames, having melted the ice, prevented him from getting back, so he starts heading towards a frozen section, which explains why he distanced himself etc... Cue dragon being speared. Fixed that.
How can I apply to be a writer? Because this shit was DUMB.
I was cringing watching everything unfold the way it did and if I was able to think of this stuff live, paid writers should have been able to remedy it while writing.
Example:
The Night King, expecting Dany and her dragons, saw the opportunity to strike the stationary lead dragon with his enemies piling on. Just as he aims, dragon #2 approaches, threatening to take him out. NK changes targets and lands a successful strike. Cue staredown and being handed a second javelin.
How fucking hard would it have been to do this? His singular focus on the moving target was the STUPIDEST thing I've ever seen and I can't stop thinking about it. Second place?
Benjen: "There's no time" *smacks horse's ass and strikes hero pose while awaiting the walkers who eventually overwhelm him*
No. You have him in the middle of fighting as he says "There's no time", clear a wave, look back, then strike a hero pose for the next wave that eventually overwhelms him. Simple, more effective at conveying the urgency and necessitating his sacrifice.
Same with Jon. I don't remember fully how it happened, but a walker should have grabbed his leg preventing him from boarding Drogon causing him to get down and fight them off. Then Drogon's flames, having melted the ice, prevented him from getting back, so he starts heading towards a frozen section, which explains why he distanced himself etc... Cue dragon being speared. Fixed that.
Wasn't buddy just talking about being able to see what moves your enemies are making, which then allows you to prepare for them, and counter said moves effectively? Tyrion is just talking out of his ass right, because he also told Jaime he never anticipated Jaime abandoning the Lannister seat of power? People are going to die from starvation due to his plan to blockade KL, but killing some palace employees and having some civilian collateral is way worse to him. His plans are dumb. Who intentionally makes themselves fight a protracted warwhen a strike right off the bat wins you everything?
Crossing Eden
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That and they seemingly have enough awareness to form a small grudge.
Even that is an example of intelligence that would be far beyond "mindless zombie." That's a genuine tactic.
MisterShine
Member
If this is a massive ploy by Sansa + Arya because they know LF is spying on them, in order to get him to overplay his hand and give Sansa a legit reason to execute him but keep the Vale loyal... all is forgiven.
I wouldn't bet a dollar that is what's actually going on but my foolish hope shall remain.
Seductivpancakes
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No one has mentioned that the wights seem less like zombies and more like rotting normal soldiers. some unsettling examples of intelligence were this dude quite literally watching his steps to make sure he wasn't cracking the ice goading the others to do the same:
This is my favorite of all the undead. Straight up high fantasy.
It cried for help as well, and skeletor deduced that the lake had frozen over. Plus they fight with weapons.
No one has mentioned that the wights seem less like zombies and more like rotting normal soldiers. some unsettling examples of intelligence were this dude quite literally watching his steps to make sure he wasn't cracking the ice goading the others to do the same:
and they seemed to genuinely be trying to rescue the captured wight.
There's still so little we know about them.
Fantastic design
Pagusas
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Seeing how things are playing out makes me understand why the the books are taking so long to come out. You see what is happening as they race to the end, how logic and reason and character peraonitlies are all clashing with the overal plot direction, I bet the book has had tons of sections thrown out and redone just because of how bad it's all connecting. The elegance and oraganic feel of the first few seasons is completely gone.
This is starting to feel like the last 2 seasons of Battlestar Galactica to me. Characters are shells of their former selves and making choice to drive the plot, things aren't making sense and battles feel forced.
This is starting to feel like the last 2 seasons of Battlestar Galactica to me. Characters are shells of their former selves and making choice to drive the plot, things aren't making sense and battles feel forced.