They could've shown that he has some serious struggles of becoming the three eyed raven too soon. He wasn't ready according to the original one after all. From a writing perspective, I saw that as an opportunity to stall his powers until needed and give him a small transition arc.
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT2| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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They could've shown that he has some serious struggles of becoming the three eyed raven too soon. He wasn't ready according to the original one after all. From a writing perspective, I saw that as an opportunity to stall his powers until needed and give him a small transition arc.
SurrenderDorothy
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Jonathan of Rivia's a damn good swordsman.
Honestly though, Jon's skills continue to impress.
this is exactly what would have happened
ComputerBlue
Member
Because, if you read the whole convo you would see that I'm arguing that she can't outplay him, not that she can't kill him.
Kill away, I'd be alright with her getting tired of his shit and killing him, but for her devise a plan to outsmart him until he's cornered like a rat with no way out, nope.
I just feel like they've been setting up a "student surpasses the master" storyline with Sansa/LF. Littlefinger has basically been her mentor, advising her every step of the way. He thinks he can control her, that she's a trophy he can carry with him all the way to the Iron Throne, but I don't think Sansa intends to let herself be controlled by another man again.
But why not tell Jon this information? She threw him into the meat grinder because she didn't trust him fully and not because she was playing 4D chess with Ramsay and Jon.
Kit really puts in work to make Jon seem like the best swords man in Westeros.
seee? people wont recognize it,
if she kept the info for herself, it is because she is a bitch who doesnt trust her brother/cousin.
no way she is playing the odds or something...
she is so dumb! how can she plan something like this!
pfft
You are correct, except she didn't even tell him to wait for more soldiers, just to wait, and knowing that having seen the undead horde Jon had this urgency.
And he asked to her face "Why should I wait!?"
I am against violence toward women, but in the ep following BotB he should have slapped the crap out of her imo. She not only set him up to fail, but to be killed alongside thousands of Wildlings.
This is a BS explanation.
She could have helped coordinate the Vale knights and Jon, letting him know when to expect them, and still draw Ramsey's forces out.
Think of this: what if Jon& Co had only showed up in front of WF 1h later, Vale knights charging in from the flank right after the Karstark forces charged?
Also, it didn't matter if they stayed in WF, Wildlings still had a Wun Wun who, covered by volleys of arrows fired into WF by Stavos led forces, could have charged in just the same.
You've not explained why this was the right choice to do, hell, Sansa herself apologized to Jon because she knew it was the wrong call.
I guess Sansa hates Sansa, too.
ForkNetwork
Banned
People who know about swords: Is this a cool move that advanced swordsmen do all the time or is it a dumb move that is done purely for spectacle?
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
She had no reason, it was stupid of her not to tell him.
But others will tell you that he'd have misused the KOTV or something and messed up.
Even though for a bastard's first field battle, a smuggler and a wildling who is more accustomed to raiding, the pincer move tactic was actually a sound idea.
More men would've helped, with Bronze Yohn and other accomplished/experienced lords their battle plans and provisions would be of great help.
Probably more in the realm of "rule of cool", but it looked convincing and that's what matters more imo.
cartographer
Member
I think it would be less that she is better than all his other competition and more that she is a weak spot / blind spot for him. If it were to go that way.
White wolves!
I always felt Jon/Kit had the best looking choreography aside from maybe Oberyn. Part of why I think he's one of the best is because his moves look the best.
redfox088
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Facts
Robdraggoo
Member
Becuase he has the vale wrapped around his littlefingers.
They need to out him to retain thier loyalty
It was Toryn Shurt but you got the rest correct.
because the reason they won was the surprise factor, maybe jon would have made the same plan, endure the battle and then expect for the KOTV to arrive and surprise ramsay, but the result would have been the same, because he threw of his plan out of the window trying to save rickon.
all of the plannings they could have done including the KOTV woulnt even mattered.
So it's okay for Sansa to not tell Jon about a whole army because of the future? Dude, she literally said she should've told Jon about it, at this point you're defending Sansa against Sansa, not even Sansa agrees with you.
sansa is the only one that know that LF killed cat sister right? that would be the reveal so the KOTV change their loyality to sansa
after the last episode, i dont think sansa's apology was sincere, she did what she had to do, and told jon what he wanted to hear.
also see, not even crosses your mind, that maybe she anticipated Ramsay's actions? not right? because she is dumbbbbb
This guy has a cool channel where he reviews GoT fights. Nothing from episode 6 yet though.
I know, that's why I simply want Arya to use his face
Robdraggoo
Member
I hope it's like the "fuck you asshole" scene from commando lol
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
Awesome guy, enjoyed his TOJ review and how he went into fighters who dual wield.
Was interesting.
I thought everyone knew where the Night King acquired those chains.
Edit: meme pic referred to something that happened in the books
Preview
Looks like both Lannister and Dany's full armies are ready to go if either side pulls any funny business
It does feel like the show with knowing only the end game is a bit more aimless, but the biggest issue feels like they're trying to do too much in too few episodes. Things need to be stretched out more to more easily flow into one another naturally. I can see the next season getting more episodes than planned to fully work things out.
elshoelace
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Really great videos and he is super knowledgeable.This guy has a cool channel where he reviews GoT fights. Nothing from episode 6 yet though.
I know, that's why I simply want Arya to use his face
You've still not explined why telling Jon vital information wouldve been a bad idea.
lol
NoctisVsStar
Member
Gaf I need that littlefinger lurking gif
The Artisan
Member
emotionally he is hopeless, but physically he did not back down from the fight and killed people left and right.
that "reborn" scene a lot of people compare to the meesa scene with Dany several seasons ago
Yeah, I was surprised when he started with saying dual wielding wasn't necessarily unrealistic and pointed out what could be done and not.
Don't forget the cavalry saving him when he decided he could square up against this,
One of the reasons why I think Jon is going to bite it in the end, is that eventually he would have to be the one to make this kind of last minute save for someone, and I think it's going to be Dany.
UnObtainium17
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The Dragon and The Wolf.
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
Don't forget the cavalry saving him when he decided he could square up against this,
One of the reasons why I think Jon is going to bite it in the end, is that eventually he would have to be the one to make this kind of last minute save for someone, and I think it's going to be Dany.
3rd time won't be a fakeout, eh? :/
I miss the "attack on Castle Black" Jon, rezzed Jon's not taking care of himself to the detriment of himself and others.
maybe is not a bad idea per se, but as i tell you she rolled the dice, she played both jon and ramsay, and she won.
How is playing with Jon and thousands of people's lives not completely fucked up?
i never said it wasnt fucked up, i think that is also part of her arc, being a mini littlefinger/cersei and all
ComputerBlue
Member
So she took a gamble instead of using smarts? This doesn't help your argument, lol.
everything in game of thrones is a gamble dude, sometimes they pay off, some others they dont, like nex episode when LF finally bites the dust, at hands of who? i dont care, i just want him dead
but i would rather be sansa than arya
The Artisan
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Yeah but your argument actually makes her seem dumber and pretty shitty. Not trusting Jon is a lot less worse than her rolling the dice on literally saving the world from the White Walkers, that's so much dumber.
The Artisan
Member
Sansa has proven herself to be loyal and loving and concerned sister to Jon this season as far as I can see as a viewer
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
"Fellowship of the Wight"
I thought it'd be lame but it's actually pretty great.
They sure know how to edit these videos pretty fast.
I thought it'd be lame but it's actually pretty great.
They sure know how to edit these videos pretty fast.
i mean, they need winterfell to defend themselves from the white walkers no?
also, she didnt know or didnt care abou them because like everyone else on westeros, they dont believe in them.
Yes but rolling the dice and letting Ramsay win means the White Walkers win.
So you're saying she didn't believe Jon? Everything Jon was doing was to fight the Walkers and you're saying she didn't believe him? are you sure you're not the one arguing that Sansa is dumb?
im saying more rolling the dice about jon or his allies surviving the battle.
also little finger is the smartest and i dont think he believes in White walkers, so believing in them or not, has nothing to be with being dumb or smart