Apparently in the interviews they are talking about that scene as if Sansa was jealous of Jon, and that her and LF are planning something. Which makes no sense to me. If that is what they were going for then they utterly failed in Direction/Editing lol.
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Apparently in the interviews they are talking about that scene as if Sansa was jealous of Jon, and that her and LF are planning something. Which makes no sense to me. If that is what they were going for then they utterly failed in Direction/Editing lol.
Vyse The Legend
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The actors were speculating on their character's current motivations, and they were off. That's all.
In a similar post-episode interview, Kit also was wrong about the reasons Jon didn't beat Ramsay to death.
ComputerBlue
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yeah she seemed cool/happy with Jon being proclaimed kingindanorf but then she saw LF's damn face.
interesting potential dynamics (if not blown up by white walkers coming of course) between Team Dany and Team North, due to Varys and LF being enemies basically, but potential alliances driven by Jon/Dany and Sansa/Tyrion and Sansa/Olenna since Tyrion and Olenna have no ill-will towards Sansa. and all of them hating Cersei (but then there's the Tyrion/Jamie/Bronn lovefest)
Great post. I'd argue that Jon isn't a Stark (because I'm a greedy asshole who wants him for my team lol), but excellent write up. I only viewed my reaction to Jon's charge from that singular moment, and totally missed how only a guy like Jon could command the loyalty and affection that would cause his army to charge after him to save him.
You don't know that. If Robert* wasn't an entitled cock who thought women were owed to him, I'm almost certain Rhaegar would have strolled into KL with a second wife around his arms. Notice how chill the Dornish are with their customs? Ellaria is fine with Oby sleeping with every good looking human with a pulse. What's a second wife?
*I seriously can't stand Robert when he talks about Lyanna. He tells Ned in his face about all the "wenches" and women he's fucked. He even tells him how he'd go around and bang a woman in each of the capitals and he dubbed it, "doing the Seven." I'm supposed to buy that this asshole would have been a good husband to Lyanna?
Ok, but first episode of the show there's a scene with Jaime and Cersei watching the body of the old hand being prepared, and it seems like they are talking as if they were the ones who killed him. They even talk about killing anyone else who "finds out," if my memory is correct.
Undead Hodor will be a sad sight.
Undead Hodor will do to the Starks what those zombie kids did to the cute Wildling warrior lady. They're doomed
They got undead horses. Undead wolves would be cool
Hope he's still holding the door.
Undead Hodor with door shield? Yes please.
ComputerBlue
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Back in S2 Meli said to Stannis.
Any chance that some of this might end up applying to Jon?
Any chance that some of this might end up applying to Jon?
Hard to image Jon betraying the few Starks remaining, or anyone for that matter. It's just not him. I think Mel just got confused in her visions and thought Stannis was "the One".
I think you can read the entirety of that applying to Stannis. Thousands died at his command, he betrayed his men, his family, and everything he held dear, and it was worth it because it all led to the rebirth of the true warrior of light.
ComputerBlue
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I don't see it either, very good chance that she can see prophecies without knowing who they all apply to, all might apply to several different people.
Well put, much of it applied to Stannis and it all lead to her going back to The Wall and reviving Jon.
Yeah, what a dumbass. EVERYONE knows that if you see a white walker in a vision and he touches your arm because he can see you (which everyone knows he would be able to!) that he's gonna track you back to your magically protected hideout.
dragonbane
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Guy is addicted to fantasy land and doesn't care about anything in the real world. He could have simply listened to his teacher to not go without him, but he refused to do so and didn't listen in other ways as well. He is absolutely responsible for the consequences of that
That's not the dumbass part. The dumbass part is him constantly doing things he's explicitly told not to do.
^That's fair though.
I mean, didn't listen to the teacher doesn't seem like the full weight of responsibility. He was with the 3ER for ages, he probably could have told him some of this stuff.
I mean, didn't listen to the teacher doesn't seem like the full weight of responsibility. He was with the 3ER for ages, he probably could have told him some of this stuff.
You could argue he already has
he betrayed his men by letting the wildlings through
his family by not coming to his family's aid when Ned was killed
everything he held dear: he betrayed Ygritte and has abandoned his night's watch vows.
His teacher apparently wants to be Confucius or some shit and didn't really bother to explain shit. Bran had been going into visions without the teacher all he was told was not to stay in the visions too long and when he got touched by the Night King he hadn't been in the vision very long at all plus he never said to stay away from White Walkers in visions which is like the single most important piece of information apparently. So, he did listen he just wasn't given the full information.
ersocaster
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Couldn't that be interpreted as Jon betraying Dany, the other side of his family?
Ice spiders.
I was literally about to post this. Best had.
Ok, fair enough, those are solid counter arguments. My rebuttal:
But he completely disregarded the lives of his men. That's not right bro.
He didn't command them to charge. He went off alone. He didn't "bring them." Plus they all knew the odds. They all knew that the most probable outcome was defeat. They simply didn't have the numbers to win. They followed Jon because it was their choice. For the wildlings, it was either die fighting on the battle field or be hunted down and murdered like dogs. They chose to go out fighting. Heck Jon didn't even expect it when the mounted soldiers caught up to him. Their choice was to follow their commander to death.
It wasn't just Jon who was embracing death on that battlefield and he was perfectly suited as commander of that force.
ComputerBlue
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Old Nan also says pale spiders big as hounds.
The way I see it, she just bungled the visions altogether and didn't foresee that Stannis would just be a step, and not the end goal.
Basically, she needed to believe in Stannis, to make him believe he was the one (and he would indeed go through the betrayals), so that he would be at the right place at the right time (In the North, saving Jon from the Wildlings) and also briging Davos who would be instrumental in persuading Mel to raise him from the dead.
It's very Matrix-y, but basically she was shown what she needed to see in order to set things in motion the way they were supposed to be?
(viewed within universe from the perspective of the Lord of Light R'hllor of course).
So basically I think that Stannis is the one who did the betrayal part, it seems to match pretty closely (unfortunately for Shireen).
Dude I recanted my position. You didn't have to quote me
Sorry, I fell asleep before seeing all the replies last night. Didn't go through all the post following that conversation since then.
Oh god what if when they meet for the first time, they're at odds. And they spout off title after title.
Do it, DnD.
Nah, once Jon and Sansa discover they're cousins, and not siblings, the master bedroom at Winterfell is getting rocked.
You come at the queen, you best not miss.
Jon Snow tries to unite different groups (Wildlings and Night's Watch) against a common threat (White Walkers). He is led into a trap using a family member (Benjen) as bait. He is left to die alone after his own men turn on him and murder him.
He is revived, and is lost. He feels he failed, saw that there is nothing after death, and has no purpose. He agrees to help Sansa reclaim Winterfell, not because he is driven but simply because it's the right thing to do. He is still lost, not certain what he should be doing, not certain there is a point in doing anything. He requests Melisandre not bring him back should he fall in the battle. He'll go forward whether he succeeds or fails. It doesn't matter.
Jon Snow tries to unite different groups (Wildlings and Northern houses) against a common threat (Ramsay Bolton). He is led into a trap using a family member (Rickon) as bait. He stands alone, facing insurmountable odds, accepting his mistakes and his imminent death.
Only this time, his men don't turn on him. They rally around him, not stabbing him in the back but racing to join him in battle, saving him. He doesn't have to face the fight alone, or die alone.
It's at this moment I believe Jon Snow finds a renewed purpose. He fights hard in the battle. Even when all seems lost, he fights hard just to breathe. To live. The man who climbs out of that pile of corpses and stares down Ramsay Bolton is a man with renewed purpose. The White Wolf is prepared to continue the fight.
He is revived, and is lost. He feels he failed, saw that there is nothing after death, and has no purpose. He agrees to help Sansa reclaim Winterfell, not because he is driven but simply because it's the right thing to do. He is still lost, not certain what he should be doing, not certain there is a point in doing anything. He requests Melisandre not bring him back should he fall in the battle. He'll go forward whether he succeeds or fails. It doesn't matter.
Jon Snow tries to unite different groups (Wildlings and Northern houses) against a common threat (Ramsay Bolton). He is led into a trap using a family member (Rickon) as bait. He stands alone, facing insurmountable odds, accepting his mistakes and his imminent death.
Only this time, his men don't turn on him. They rally around him, not stabbing him in the back but racing to join him in battle, saving him. He doesn't have to face the fight alone, or die alone.
It's at this moment I believe Jon Snow finds a renewed purpose. He fights hard in the battle. Even when all seems lost, he fights hard just to breathe. To live. The man who climbs out of that pile of corpses and stares down Ramsay Bolton is a man with renewed purpose. The White Wolf is prepared to continue the fight.
Pretty useless without a head.
As a talking head on a stick who just repeats the phrase "winter has come" over and over again.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Her evil schemes and deeds are more interesting to watch than frustrating.
I hope she goes full on mad queen in season 7 to give me some more solid reasons to hate her character.
Go_Ly_Dow
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There are skeleton corpses/wights so I would assume so.
I don't think it was the most clever move, but it was definitely entertaining and impressive as a catastrophic force. But Cersei...
...just keeps on digging.
Every single one of her family's deaths on the show has been a result of her ploting and scheming. Intentional or not. Not only that but she's also had a hand in turning nearly the entire kingdom against the crown.
She's fantastic and spectacular at getting family killed while making enemies of everyone.
Just saw this on Facebook and shared it, the #beautiful death for Battle of the Bastards was pretty on point too.
And yeah what she did was impressive and I rooted for her the whole time, but I don't think she will be able to navigate the fallout quite so deftly. That's her problem she's awesome at pulling moves it's the follow up she always bungles.
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