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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT PART 2| Season 6 - [Read the OP]

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Joeytj

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Jon Snow tries to unite different groups (Wildlings and Night's Watch) against a common threat (White Walkers). He is led into a trap using a family member (Benjen) as bait. He is left to die alone after his own men turn on him and murder him.

He is revived, and is lost. He feels he failed, saw that there is nothing after death, and has no purpose. He agrees to help Sansa reclaim Winterfell, not because he is driven but simply because it's the right thing to do. He is still lost, not certain what he should be doing, not certain there is a point in doing anything. He requests Melisandre not bring him back should he fall in the battle. He'll go forward whether he succeeds or fails. It doesn't matter.

Jon Snow tries to unite different groups (Wildlings and Northern houses) against a common threat (Ramsay Bolton). He is led into a trap using a family member (Rickon) as bait. He stands alone, facing insurmountable odds, accepting his mistakes and his imminent death.

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Only this time, his men don't turn on him. They rally around him, not stabbing him in the back but racing to join him in battle, saving him. He doesn't have to face the fight alone, or die alone.

It's at this moment I believe Jon Snow finds a renewed purpose. He fights hard in the battle. Even when all seems lost, he fights hard just to breathe. To live. The man who climbs out of that pile of corpses and stares down Ramsay Bolton is a man with renewed purpose. The White Wolf is prepared to continue the fight.

Not bad.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
I'm wondering how Cersei is able to actually put up a fight against Dany now that she has an Iron Fleet, Tyrells, Dorne, Unsullied, a Horde of Dothraki, 3 fucking dragons and Jon has the full force of the Vale and the North behind him, what can she even do?
 
I'm wondering how Cersei is able to actually put up a fight against Dany now that she has an Iron Fleet, Tyrells, Dorne, Unsullied, a Horde of Dothraki, 3 fucking dragons and Jon has the full force of the Vale and the North behind him, what can she even do?

Blow kings landing to kingdom come.
 

xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
My ultimate out-of-my-ass prediction for Jaime:
He will become the QueenSlayer by killing his sister.
 
I'm wondering how Cersei is able to actually put up a fight against Dany now that she has an Iron Fleet, Tyrells, Dorne, Unsullied, a Horde of Dothraki, 3 fucking dragons and Jon has the full force of the Vale and the North behind him, what can she even do?

Marry the Night King, of course!
 

Dai101

Banned
I'm wondering how Cersei is able to actually put up a fight against Dany now that she has an Iron Fleet, Tyrells, Dorne, Unsullied, a Horde of Dothraki, 3 fucking dragons and Jon has the full force of the Vale and the North behind him, what can she even do?

Just one tiny bit wrong, she doesn't have A Dothraki horde, she has THE WHOLE Dothraki Horde.
 

Go_Ly_Dow

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One of the biggest wild cards that hasn't really been discussed is the 1000 ships being made on the iron islands. Perhaps they will now be offered to the Lannisters.
 

Visceir

Member
So what's the over under that Melisandre takes off her necklace and sneaks back into Winterfell as Old Nan 2.0

She'll ride south as was told and join up with Brotherhood Without Banners, would be my guess.

Maybe she'll get a chance at redemption eventually during the final events.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
I thought it was the dragons that burned brick and mortar to ash at the RK?

That was Harrenhal.
Just one tiny bit wrong, she doesn't have A Dothraki horde, she has THE WHOLE Dothraki Horde.

My intention was that she has a whole horde of Dothraki, not that there are multiple and she only has one.
One of the biggest wild cards that hasn't really been discussed is the 1000 ships being made on the iron islands. Perhaps they will now be offered to the Lannisters.

I REALLY hope those ships don't attack Dany on her way to Westeros and severely nerf her forces, I'd be mad as fuck if we waited 6 years for this and then she got fucked up before she even landed.
 
So what's the over under that Melisandre takes off her necklace and sneaks back into Winterfell as Old Nan 2.0

Man, now that the season is over, what was that even about? Did I miss something, or was Meli revealed to be an old ass woman for no reason in particular?
 
Cercei didn't really have a choice though. She was wiling to work with the Tyrells when it was possible to fix the situation, but in the end they betrayed her and she was literally sentenced to death by her own son. The only way forward was to take control and even then she still tried to save her son. It wasn't as if she had a better option.
 
One of the biggest wild cards that hasn't really been discussed is the 1000 ships being made on the iron islands. Perhaps they will now be offered to the Lannisters.
If he somehow made the ships in time I suppose he could, but first he needs to find out that Dany has set sail. At that point it would be too late to broker a deal with the Lannisters and move the entire fleet downwards to intercept Dany. She will hit land first and I assume she will invade by land only.


His teacher apparently wants to be Confucius or some shit and didn't really bother to explain shit. Bran had been going into visions without the teacher all he was told was not to stay in the visions too long and when he got touched by the Night King he hadn't been in the vision very long at all plus he never said to stay away from White Walkers in visions which is like the single most important piece of information apparently. So, he did listen he just wasn't given the full information.
But it looks like he needed him to leave his visions the normal way. So that was still stupid to enter without him being present.
 
I REALLY hope those ships don't attack Dany on her way to Westeros and severely nerf her forces, I'd be mad as fuck if we waited 6 years for this and then she got fucked up before she even landed.


She's due. I don't think she will get to Westeros in full force.
Personally I hope she gets there without her head

After rewatching some episodes I'm now firmly in the camp of Team Cersei with Team Baelish as a backup plan.
Baelish's whole scheme of plotting the Lannisters and Starks against each other was just pure genius.
 

Chopper

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Jon Snow tries to unite different groups (Wildlings and Night's Watch) against a common threat (White Walkers). He is led into a trap using a family member (Benjen) as bait. He is left to die alone after his own men turn on him and murder him.

He is revived, and is lost. He feels he failed, saw that there is nothing after death, and has no purpose. He agrees to help Sansa reclaim Winterfell, not because he is driven but simply because it's the right thing to do. He is still lost, not certain what he should be doing, not certain there is a point in doing anything. He requests Melisandre not bring him back should he fall in the battle. He'll go forward whether he succeeds or fails. It doesn't matter.

Jon Snow tries to unite different groups (Wildlings and Northern houses) against a common threat (Ramsay Bolton). He is led into a trap using a family member (Rickon) as bait. He stands alone, facing insurmountable odds, accepting his mistakes and his imminent death.

yXX878T.gif


Only this time, his men don't turn on him. They rally around him, not stabbing him in the back but racing to join him in battle, saving him. He doesn't have to face the fight alone, or die alone.

It's at this moment I believe Jon Snow finds a renewed purpose. He fights hard in the battle. Even when all seems lost, he fights hard just to breathe. To live. The man who climbs out of that pile of corpses and stares down Ramsay Bolton is a man with renewed purpose. The White Wolf is prepared to continue the fight.
Not bad. I wamt that gif, but it only opens in imgur.
 
You can't deny that Cersei, whether you hate her or devilishly root for her, has engineered the greatest single move ever in this show. Hats off you evil sociopath.
The greatest awesome move to watch unfold and enjoy for sure. But it wasn't particularly clever. They needed the Tyrells to have any chance to hold KL against the incoming forces. Not only that, she completely cut off both the food supply and the financial support. They got no money left and thus can't buy any sell-swords. Nor do they have any food reserves to survive any stage of the winter nor a siege I presume. They are entirely screwed.
 

Nameless

Member
She'll ride south as was told and join up with Brotherhood Without Banners, would be my guess.

Maybe she'll get a chance at redemption eventually during the final events.

I think she might go back to Dragonstone. It's a safe, secluded, familiar place and whoever Stannis left to maintain it would have no reason to keep her out. Plus she'd encounter Jon again when he inevitably travels to his family castle to mine Dragon Glass for the Great War.

Either that or she runs into Arya on the road South and who knows what happens. But there's a reason Jon sparred her life.
 

Dai101

Banned
Cercei didn't really have a choice though. She was wiling to work with the Tyrells when it was possible to fix the situation, but in the end they betrayed her and she was literally sentenced to death by her own son. The only way forward was to take control and even then she still tried to save her son. It wasn't as if she had a better option.

How the fuck the Tyrells betrayed her when it was HER the one that put them in such situation when she gave power and weapons to the Faith Militants to get rid of Margery and Loras?
 

Nameless

Member
How the fuck the Tyrells betrayed her when it was HER the one that put them in such situation when she gave power and weapons to the Faith Militants to get rid of Margery and Loras?

They never liked each other but let's be honest, Margeary escalated things when she swooped in and tried to turn Tommen against his mother while she was still mourning Joff.
 

CronoRobo

Neo Member
You can't deny that Cersei, whether you hate her or devilishly root for her, has engineered the greatest single move ever in this show. Hats off you evil sociopath.

it was spectacular, but I don't think it's the greatest... as usual with Cersei, she doesn't plan ahead. She just do evil stuff without thinking the consequences or outcomes.

I don't think she will be in throne for more than 4 episodes. She has no allies, no money, they still have that exhorbitant debt with the Iron Bank, the town has no food, her army isn't that great in numbers and there's not church to keep people civil and in peace. Literally his only ally, Jaime, is gonna be pissed at her for all this shit.
 

Ralemont

not me
This is absolutely intended. You are 100% supposed to be uncomfortable with where Arya is going. It's a subversion of the classic revenge hero where they're not prettifying it or pretending it's anything but dark as fuck.

At the same time, they have to be aware that people are actually cheering for Arya doing this. It's the Tony Soprano effect of the show creater trying to portray someone as disturbing and morally bankrupt, but the viewers love them anyway because they've grown to love the character.

You can't deny that Cersei, whether you hate her or devilishly root for her, has engineered the greatest single move ever in this show. Hats off you evil sociopath.

Dany has had at least two better moves. Each got her an army, destroyed her enemies in the process, with less collateral damage than a wildfire nuke. Cersei destroyed her immediate enemies, but lost almost all her military support and probably killed hundreds of people.
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
So remember than scene where Margaery gave her grandmother that note and it was a rose with thorns. And they were all hinting that there was a plan.

And then Margaery got blown up.

That was kind of pointless.
It meant Olenna would leave the capital. Otherwise she might have hung around to try and de-convert her grandchildren.
It served its purpose. To get her grandmother to leave. And leave she did.

The actress is hot irl. They do a great job muddying her up with makeup.
I still think she's damn cute even all made up.

so arya killed some poor little girl for her face right ? or did she just steal it from the faceless men ?
Frey said "you're not one of mine" so I can believe she borrowed a face and brought it with her. Otherwise she could have dressed up as one of his sons. But she needed to get in without detection first so it made sense to not look like Arya. Who knows what she did between leaving and arriving at the throne room. Hopefully it's just a borrowed face.
 

Aselith

Member
At the same time, they have to be aware that people are actually cheering for Arya doing this. It's the Tony Soprano effect of the show creater trying to portray someone as disturbing and morally bankrupt, but the viewers love them anyway because they've grown to love the character.

Well, if they really want to do this, that makes sense...for now...and then they'll keep getting darker and darker until it's too dark to cheer for her. I mean this particular one was a little easy to dismiss despite being really dark because it's a classic Shakespeare move (I mean hell it was used as a joke in South Park) and because people have been wanting her to do some assassin joints for a season or two now. Once, she goes full dark, it's not gonna be so fun.
 

this_guy

Member
It served its purpose. To get her grandmother to leave. And leave she did.


I still think she's damn cute even all made up.


Frey said "you're not one of mine" so I can believe she borrowed a face and brought it with her. Otherwise she could have dressed up as one of his sons. But she needed to get in without detection first so it made sense to not look like Arya. Who knows what she did between leaving and arriving at the throne room. Hopefully it's just a borrowed face.

We still don't know if faces are physically needed at the time of the face changing, or if once the faces are mounted that they're available magically. Remember when Jacquen "died" Arya removed "his" face she also saw her own face.

http://youtu.be/S6xlyKA-aNk
 

Go_Ly_Dow

Member
Do the 2 smaller dragons even have names?

I fully expect them to die and just Drogon to survive the Kings Landing siege.
 

catbird

Neo Member
I never thought that you had to physically put on the face. You just need to have the faceless men password to access their library for download.
 

water_wendi

Water is not wet!
They never liked each other but let's be honest, Margeary escalated things when she swooped in and tried to turn Tommen against his mother while she was still mourning Joff.

Its true Margery escalated the shit out of things by making that crack about Queen Grandmother lol
 

-griffy-

Banned
Do the 2 smaller dragons even have names?

I fully expect them to die and just Drogon to survive the Kings Landing siege.

Rhaegal is the green one (named after her brother, Jon Snow's father, Rhaegar) and Viserion is the gold one (named after her other brother Viserys).
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
I never understood why she named one after Viserion, guess maybe she still loved him somewhat because he was her brother but we never really got any scenes where that was shown.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
Her brothers name was Viserys. Its like saying she loved her brother bob enough to call her child rob.

I accidently wrote Viserion when I meant to wright Viserys, but yeah, my point is why would she name one of her dragons after the guy she felt nothing towards? The only scene I can remember her showing any kind of affection towards him is when she invited him to dinner but he then ended up hitting her.

Then he gets murdered in front of her and she feels nothing.
 

Black_Sun

Member
Cersei's storyline this season was probably the strongest this season.

Arya's storyline was the worst. Too many extraneous scenes. There were like 3 different scenes of Arya getting beat by sticks.

Off-screening the Waif was disappointing. Lots of logic jumping like Arya being alive after those stabs and falling in the river. And then being able to run around like assassin from AC. And it culminates with "Now you are truly no one". Makes absolute no sense. Arya killing the Waif in self-defense doesn't prove anything.

Everything in Arya's story could've been done in half the number of scenes. It feels like everything was lengthened so her teleporting to kill Walder was in the finale. That needed a bit more build up like establishing that Arya was in Westeros for instance. I know the show wants me to accept it but if I do then I'll have to accept scenes like Arya teleporting to Cersei's side and stabbing her in the throat without any warning.
 

Black_Sun

Member
One of the biggest wild cards that hasn't really been discussed is the 1000 ships being made on the iron islands. Perhaps they will now be offered to the Lannisters.

It'll be done in 4 years then. Good luck to Cersei holding off Daenerys for that amount of time.

Even Venice during the Renaissance with its Arsenal could only make a ship a day at best.
 
How the fuck the Tyrells betrayed her when it was HER the one that put them in such situation when she gave power and weapons to the Faith Militants to get rid of Margery and Loras?

When they brought the army to go collect Margery by force and stop her walk of shame she had agreed the deal with the High Septom to basically make him a co-ruler and then she convinced or actively allowed Tommen to ban trial by combat (therefore sentencing Cercei to death). Probably betrayal is the wrong word because they were never really allies, but the Tyrells via Margery schemed openly to have Cercie killed.
 

Nameless

Member
it was spectacular, but I don't think it's the greatest... as usual with Cersei, she doesn't plan ahead. She just do evil stuff without thinking the consequences or outcomes.

Outside of Tywin and Littlefinger Cersei is the best the we've seen. And yes I'm including Tyrion. What has he done that's on the level of her destroying Robert & Ned in the first season before seamlessly bringing the Crown under her Lannister control, or her master stroke to seize power for herself in the finale this season? She's won The Game of Thrones, TWICE. That her flaws bite her in the ass doesn't change the fact she's able to play at the very highest level.
 

Black_Sun

Member
Outside of Tywin and Littlefinger Cersei is the best the we've seen. And yes I'm including Tyrion. What has he done that's on the level of her destroying Robert & Ned in the first season before seamlessly bringing the Crown under her Lannister control, or her master stroke to seize power for herself in the finale this season? She's won The Game of Thrones, TWICE. That her flaws bite her in the ass doesn't change the fact she's able to play at the very highest level.

Her children are all dead. And she's essentially the Queen of the Westerlands and King's Landing as the armies of all the other kingdoms that hate her come in at her. That's not winning.
 

bozeman

Member
Can't wait to see what Jamie does. He betrayed his oath as a member of the Kingsguard because The Mad King was going to use wildfire to destroy King's Landing to end the rebellion. Now he's got his sister, who he loves, who just did the same thing. Will he stab her in the back in order to protect the kingdom?
 

Black_Sun

Member
Can't wait to see what Jamie does. He betrayed his oath as a member of the Kingsguard because The Mad King was going to use wildfire to destroy King's Landing to end the rebellion. Now he's got his sister, who he loves, who just did the same thing. Will he stab her in the back in order to protect the kingdom?

Well that's not really true. Cersei destroyed a building with wildfire. A building full of her enemies that wanted her dead is no city full of innocents.
 

Echoplx

Member
Outside of Tywin and Littlefinger Cersei is the best the we've seen. And yes I'm including Tyrion. What has he done that's on the level of her destroying Robert & Ned in the first season before seamlessly bringing the Crown under her Lannister control, or her master stroke to seize power for herself in the finale this season? She's won The Game of Thrones, TWICE. That her flaws bite her in the ass doesn't change the fact she's able to play at the very highest level.

Who's going to feed them and pay their debts now that she pissed off the Tyrells?

No point winning the throne if you can't hold it.
 
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