Just like that one guy/girl playing Monopoly when all is lost to them.
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT PART 2| Season 6 - [Read the OP]
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Just like that one guy/girl playing Monopoly when all is lost to them.
Maklershed
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Yeah I didn't get that either.
Seductivpancakes
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Yea that was dodgy. I just assumed it was a poisoned blade.
Spine shot, left him paralyzed.
Varys being in Dorne and then leaving with Dany's fleet are probably months apart. The only for sure timing we have when he is in Dorne is him leaving Mereen last episode and Olenna mourning/vowing revenge on Cersei for the the wildfire bombing.
neoism
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ive always liked the starks and was teamdany for like s2-5 but she is sooo played out its just boring now...
teamstarks fo lyfe
The One Who Knocks
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I'd imagine there were two main reasons; the first was to punish him for what Lancel Lannister (the guy) had done to Cersei, and I'd assume Lancel leaving was also a signal to light the candles (perhaps not, it's just what I think makes sense).
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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It annoys me that this could've been solved with a 'X months later' title card. I don't think they've ever done this, though.
Orochinagis
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Epic moment demands a sacrifice, Little birds got corrupted and use weapons now I wonder how Varys will reach to that
Maklershed
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Edit: nvm I'm still confused
She was, but Cersei flipped the script.
She was up to something we'll just never know what.
BossDarkseid
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Oh, ok.
The way I saw it was like he was lured but it made no sense.
Lancel seemed so much more...human than stony faced zealot, but I liked his MGS4 style crawl to the candles. It was one of those "cool moments" that could be ruined if the plot convenience bothered me more.
I get all this, but it's still all based on a lie. Ned could have had the conversation with Jon before he left and let Jon choose for himself. Instead, he encouraged Jon to take his vows under a false pretense.
Not a huge deal, I just find it interesting. I wonder if Jon will be angry at Ned once he learns the truth.
One day someone will go thru the entire series and add estimated dates for every scene.
"Promise me, Ned, promise me..."
I imagine it was (a) to avoid unpleasant questions, (b) to keep the circle of who knew small - only him and Reed and most importantly (c) because Lyanna didn't want anyone to know.
I do think the show could handle this better. Its a big enough problem that many people have noticed it. The fact that a single episode can have several plotlines (each spanning wildly different amounts of time), alongside the show's increased reluctance to show the characters journey to particular places, has the unfortunate consequence of characters seemingly teleporting across the map.
Vulcano's assistant
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Yep, that simple. Storytelling > Story, after all.
Really? To me it looked like he was deliberately lured so he could see what was about to unfold without being able to stop it. He is the one who put Cersei in this situation to begin with.
That would be wayyyy too wild even for this series. One kid against a grown militant. Seconds to spare and if the kid failed, cersei would die.
Yes but to plan it so that one kid would do the deed would be idiotic. They needed a bunch to stab the old maester.
he definitely lured him, if not, he would have ran towards Qyburn's cave thing, not down to the wildfire cache.
Kenzodielocke
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Yeah, but context. The boy that stabbed Lancel was in the dark.
That wouldn't make sense with the way the show jumps around. It'd be like "3 month later...for Arya"
They way they do it is fine unless you are mapping out their journeys in your Westeros travel journal in which case I'm sure it's giving you fits. Everything has a logical progression which is what really matters.
Seductivpancakes
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and apparently strong and accurate enough to sever a spine.
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I am Korean.
It was already there.
Though detonating it was cartoonish to the extreme. What a perfect plan.
"Ok urchin. Lancel will probably come out of the sept at some point. You must lure him down to the wildfire cache, sneak around him, then perfectly stab him in the back so he's paralyzed. Then just leave him there and hope he doens't get to the candles you set before they burn down to the level of the wild fire. Do that and you'll get more candy. Ok?"
Neospartan
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Ned: Hey Jon
Jon: Hey
Ned: We gotta talk
Jon: I'm all ears
Ned: Look, you kinda have a claim on the Iron Throne
Jon: Cool...
Ned: But don't ever take it, otherwise my big fat friend will happily drive his heavy hammer through your chest.
Jon: Uuuuh, why?
Ned: Also, we're marrying Sansa to his eldest so even if Robert dies, don't claim the Throne.
Jon: Hey
Ned: We gotta talk
Jon: I'm all ears
Ned: Look, you kinda have a claim on the Iron Throne
Jon: Cool...
Ned: But don't ever take it, otherwise my big fat friend will happily drive his heavy hammer through your chest.
Jon: Uuuuh, why?
Ned: Also, we're marrying Sansa to his eldest so even if Robert dies, don't claim the Throne.
MMBosstones86
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I don't think she factored "getting rekt by wildfire" into her plans. Shocking.
She can't kill the Hound... they're totally like... frenemies now. A tag team redemption fight to kill the Mountain would be amazing. It's not like she can really trick an undead monster with her face magic
Yeah, I think Marg was always planning to long con her way out of the High Sparrow's thumb. She just didn't expect how soon -or if even - Cersei was gonna pick the nuclear option.
Vulcano's assistant
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He is a small fry in the big picture, and planing for such a thing would require luck to work. The kid was there to lit the candles, Lance was there so we could see it, but he could have prevented the whole thing if he had caught the kid; so it's not the smart thing to plan for.
Obliterator
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Yeah, I think she was planning something, but the thing is everyone underestimated Cersei. She is willing to go to ANY lengths for revenge / power. We've seen it time and time again, but I think they believed they had her cornered and legit defeated.
Thing is Cersei had other things in mind
He has a teleporter and internet.
Only explanation for the things he does and knows.
Same, shit was even more epic than when it happened to Robb.
I doubt she will (and I hope she doesn't). Maybe she considers leaving him to die as his debt paid.
I dunno about that. Cat was always so upset with the topic of Jon, might have been out of her character to be calm and know the truth
Eh
I thought the story Ned told was that he knocked up some girl on his journey south
So that doesn't mean littlefinger knew. He definitely would have used that information if he did
Yeah it's the one thing that bothers me with her. Slavers and rapists are people too, and their hopes and aspirations shouldn't be snuffed out like that. Instead of outright stealing away these hard working people's mechanism in earning an honest living, she should have offered a fair deal.
Perhaps instead outlawing punishing any slave who disobeyed with torture at the famed Walk of Punishment, she should have offered the Masters a system where punishments were only allowed every other day. Instead of eliminating hands and feet being allowed to be cut off to be used as post signs like in Volantis, she should have allowed the Masters the ability to only cut off one limb per slave.
Crucifying children is one of the few things in life Slavers love more than anything, so banning it outright was a horrific act of a government overstepping its boundaries. Weekends should have been left as a time where Slavers could crucify children as they saw fit. As for rapists, if it was done behind a hut or the victim was intoxicated, 6 months in Mereen County should have been a sufficient punishment.
I can't stand people who tread on others who only wish to live an honest and peaceful life.
Vulcano's assistant
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You know what could be kind of cool? Zombie Montain vs wounded Viserion (or whichever is the smallest one, so it is not entirely one sided.).
I assume Littlefinger knows that the official story about Lyanna being kidnapped is bullshit but even he has no idea that Jon isn't actually Ned's son. The only people who know were those dead knights, the women in that room and possibly Howland Reed. Littlefinger is good about getting information but he's not that good.
He didn't even know about Ramsay, how good can he be?!
Obliterator
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I know you are being sarcastic to him, but ironically she is becoming less of a killer and more of a diplomat through Tyrion. Even to the point that she is wanting to marry in Westeros to help gain loyalty.
Dany was frankly very very bad at playing the game and keeping loyalty. Just killing your enemies no matter how evil they are and not forming any real alliances is not the way to rule the world. She is realizing that and is learning the Game from Tyrion.
Though yeah, she is of course still down to do some killing and conquering when she needs to. Its just she's getting much smarter about it
Dead men tell no tales.
vainglorious
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lol
I don't think that was part of the plan so much as a storytelling device so we could see the wildfire as it got closer and closer to exploding.
Like Lancel just happened to see the kid and he did what he had to do not really that it was planned prior. The kid saw Lancel see him and lured him to where he could ambush him.
Varys was a book reader which is why his role is minimized now.
Do we know whether or not Howland Reed is still alive?
He was the guy with Ned Stark in Bran's visions. He has been mentioned a few times in conversations of different characters on the show in season 3 and now in season 6.
He was the guy with Ned Stark in Bran's visions. He has been mentioned a few times in conversations of different characters on the show in season 3 and now in season 6.
Vulcano's assistant
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He is the other one guy in the vision of the past besides Ned that was not killed by Arthur Dayne
the fact that people were speculating that the High Sparrow may be him tells me we know nothing about it.
Seductivpancakes
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Aside from being Meera and Jojen's father, he's the reason why Ned didn't die fighting Ser Dayne.
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