Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]

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diamount said:
I don't understand why Stannis didn't have a guard or something at Gendry's cell. Obviously he knew Davos had feelings towards the boy.
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It was according to R'hllor's plan, at least apparently as Melissandre sees it. The Lord of Light caused Stannis to omit ordering a door guard, and made Davos free Gendry, since the boy was no longer needed for the Grand Plan (not now anyway, not in the way it was supposed to), but omens take a time to be interpreted, and by that time Gendry would be dead. Remember that the Red God is portrayed by his followers as all-seeing.

She threw the message into the fire to confirm its veridity, and that's when she realised all this.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
You can be arrogant and free slaves. They're not mutually exclusive.

The issue is that her ego seems fuelled by the gratitude of freed slaves. I sincerely hope we don't have more seasons of her being applauded for her self-righteous quest to free slaves.

Let's not forget she wants to invade Westeros and kill thousands so she can park herself on the Iron throne. What a kind soul.
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How can she Invade where she was actually born and has a rightful claim to the throne?
When does she ever say she wants to kill thousands to take the throne as well?
 
Violater said:
How can she Invade where she was actually born and has a rightful claim to the throne?
When does she ever say she wants to kill thousands to take the throne as well?
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I don't believe she was born in Westeros as her mother fled to Dragonstone (an island) before she was born.

She has to invade with an army to unseat the current King. That means thousands of deaths. As the saying goes "might makes right".

Anyway, I suspect her eventual invasion will have everything to do with repelling the white walkers rather than a quest for the Iron throne. Because as was mentioned in the latest episode: No army in Westeros could win against the white walkers, but I'm pretty sure fire breathing magical dragons might be able to do something about it.
 
DCX said:
You don't amass an army without the intent to kill.

DCX
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Not necessarily. Imagine a girl comes over Westeros side with an army roughly as big as all the others combined, and with three dragons. Aegon had a minuscule army and navy (as Stannis pointed out in his scene) but beat everyone with three dragons. They all remember that episode.
Imagine how good a persuasion tool having those three dragons plus a huge swarm of fighters could be.
 
Enco said:
#Danyshouldbetorturedorthisshowsucks
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Basically season one, where she was nothing more than a piece of property to be traded, she was basically raped by Drogo in their first encounter and she couldn't do anything about it. Her brother...well yea

She earned this little bit of swag.
 
Nickodemos said:
Not necessarily. Imagine a girl comes over Westeros side with an army roughly as big as all the others combined, and with three dragons. Aegon had a minuscule army and navy (as Stannis pointed out in his scene) but beat everyone with three dragons. They all remember that episode.
Imagine how good a persuasion tool having those three dragons plus a huge swarm of fighters could be.
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Would be perfect for all those involved as it would provide no loss of life but the purpose of building an army is to have the ability to use them. To use them would result in a huge loss of life.

You cant expect people who are greedy and selfish to know they are conquered lol They will still fight and die on the battlefield even if it takes 15 minutes total

DCX
 
The ending felt a bit trite and corny, especially when you compare it to some of the brutality earlier in the episode and the ending to episode 9, it felt somehow out of place. It also just seems so bizarre that in a world where she was almost poisoned by a guy at the market, betrayed by that witch, etc that she would be so trusting of a group of people who not long ago would have considered her their enemy.
 
DCX said:
Would be perfect for all those involved as it would provide no loss of life but the purpose of building an army is to have the ability to use them. To use them would result in a huge loss of life.
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Many armies exist also for the threat to use them. It's a valid negotiation tool.

DCX said:
You cant expect people who are greedy and selfish to know they are conquered lol They will still fight and die on the battlefield even if it takes 15 minutes total

DCX
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Everyone, be they high or low born, knows the history of Westeros. They know who Aegon and his sister-wives were, and what dragons can do. Heck, they still haven't rebuilt Harrenhall, even though it was torched by Aegon himself, a crapload of centuries earlier. There's a lot of reminders like this in the general memory. Once she (or Jorah/Daario/Barristan/Grey Worm/Missandei/etc.) lands on the back of a dragon, then points to the other two in the air, and to the myriad masts poking over the horizon, they'll all bend the knee. They all remember what happened to those who didn't the last time.
 
Overall I thought it was a good episode. Might not have been the strongest finale but it set a good tone to end things on.

Although I can understand the hate Dany is getting, I think her freeing the slaves is a great way to show that she is getting people to follow her not just her Dragons. I think this will be a big factor in the coming seasons. At the moment you have bannermen betraying their kings and with Dany I feel that she will have the utmost trust from her people due to her kindness.
 
Nickodemos said:
Many armies exist also for the threat to use them. It's a valid negotiation tool.


Everyone, be they high or low born, knows the history of Westeros. They know who Aegon and his sister-wives were, and what dragons can do. Heck, they still haven't rebuilt Harrenhall, even though it was torched by Aegon himself, a crapload of centuries earlier. There's a lot of reminders like this in the general memory. Once she (or Jorah/Daario/Barristan/Grey Worm/Missandei/etc.) lands on the back of a dragon, then points to the other two in the air, and to the myriad masts poking over the horizon, they'll all bend the knee. They all remember what happened to those who didn't the last time.
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It's irrelevant as it won't happen that way. She and her dragons represent fire, the white walkers represent ice and death.

It is likely not a coincidence that the first dragons in hundreds of years hatch via magical means just in time for winter and the arrival of the white walkers.
 
I don't see how their births were magical. All eggs need to be warmed properly and Dany was doing that throughout season 1.

Regardless while I think she has earned her moments of triumph it wouldn't be a problem if she encountered some challenges next season. I honestly want her to free some slaves and see her reaction when they don't follow her. I wouldn't expect anything much from her immediate reaction but I wonder if she would revise her long term strategy when that occurs.

Also the threat of the warlocks still hasn't been resolved. They want her dragons and they are getting pretty big. If they wait too long they can't capture them.
 
I just look at the Dany scenes as adding another clear threat to Westeros in a similar dramatically ironic fashion as the White Walkers. They're a bit too on-the-nose with portraying Dany as the moral opposite of a ruler like Joffrey, but those scenes still work to establish just how significant in size and variety her army is becoming.

You've got guys like Roose Bolton and Walder Frey jerking each other off for their recent coup against the Starks, thinking that everything is going swimmingly, oblivious to what's coming at them from both the North and the East. Rulers like them, and Tywin included, are too wrapped up in a bubble of political bickering and trickery that they can't see just how trivial that stuff is relative to the actual dangers.
 
wildfire said:
I don't see how their births were magical. All eggs need to be warmed properly and Dany was doing that throughout season 1.

Regardless while I think she has earned her moments of triumph it wouldn't be a problem if she encountered some challenges next season. I honestly want her to free some slaves and see her reaction when they don't follow her. I wouldn't expect anything much from her immediate reaction but I wonder if she would revise her long term strategy when that occurs.

Also the threat of the warlocks still hasn't been resolved. They want her dragons and they are getting pretty big. If they wait too long they can't capture them.
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The eggs were completely stone. Dragons are magical creatures. They hatched after a sacrifice.

Their birth was magical.
 
I thought it was a very good finale that set things up nicely for next season.

I'm not one to tell one other people what to think, but here are some stray observations I've made about people who are complaining about the finale...

1 - You would think by now that people would realize that Episode 9 is what most other shows consider a Season Finale, and that Episode 10 sets things up for next year.

2 - People seem to be making too big of a deal of the last Dany scene. It wasn't my favorite scene, but so what? The scene was like 1 or 2 minutes compared to an episode that was over an hour long. I think people are just so conditioned to judge an episode based on the last scene. If this Dany scene had come in the second to last scene instead of the end, I feel like so many people wouldn't be complaining about it, and that's kind of annoying.

3 - Most obvious proof that Game of Thrones can't make everyone happy - People complain about the fact that there are only 10 episodes per year, but then whenever the show does anything that the audience deems "not absolutely essential to the plot!", the audience goes ape shit. God forbid we spent 12 minutes of screen time with Theon and Ramsay this year! The horror! Why are the showing us Bran? He's pointless! I don't care about Stannis! Why aren't Robb and Dany in King's Landing tearing down the walls already? All they do is talk! If they added more episodes to a season, there would be less plot progression per episode, and that would bring a whole new series of complaints.

I feel like this show just isn't for many people. Some people may not like it at all. I think there's a healthy chunk of people who like the show enough to watch it and enjoy some aspects of it and there's many of those people who watch the show (maybe even the majority). But it takes a different / more patient type of viewer to be able to truly love and appreciate the show and not to wish the show would move along at a warped pace.
 
HyruleGuardian said:
I thought it was a very good finale that set things up nicely for next season.

I'm not one to tell one other people what to think, but here are some stray observations I've made about people who are complaining about the finale...

1 - You would think by now that people would realize that Episode 9 is what most other shows consider a Season Finale, and that Episode 10 sets things up for next year.
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Ding ding ding.

This is how hbo rolls.
 
I think Theon will try and get vengeance for the Stark's if he's saved, and I can't believe I'm hoping for his well being at this point, god damn Bolton.
 
Now I know I'm saying this with bias myself but I'm not surprised to see the Dany hate overblown this season again. I thought it was a given that the show would end out on a positive note after what many saw as devastating in the red wedding. You can't just beat your audience and expect them to show up next year. Was it cheesy? Definitely, but it shows that the world is not "all dark and full of terrors."

On a side note I enjoyed Season 3 infinitely more than Season 2. I felt there was a lot more character progression and world building and generally feel quite satisfied.
HyruleGuardian said:
I feel like this show just isn't for many people. Some people may not like it at all. I think there's a healthy chunk of people who like the show enough to watch it and enjoy some aspects of it and there's many of those people who watch the show (maybe even the majority). But it takes a different / more patient type of viewer to be able to truly love and appreciate the show and not to wish the show would move along at a warped pace.
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Well said.
 
Nice to see so many people missing the thematic train when it comes to Daenerys. Her journey is a religious one. It should have been clear from early in season 2 , what with the miracle and her crossing the desert with her disciples and all. The war for the Iron Throne follows thematically similar political conflicts. The White Walker threat follows the themes of similar fantasy ones. In Dany's story you see a religion being created.

Which brings me to the conclusion that now there are only two possible ways for Daenerys' journey to end. Either with her martyrdom or her ascension. It remains to be seen whether her betrayer (Jorah I bet) will be her Judas or a simple schismatic.
 
Vashetti said:
Could have shown some of the Yunkai siege. Fed up of them skimping out on battles.
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What siege? Dany set up her army some distance from the city (in order to parlay with the mercenary captains) things went the way they did, she sent a commando team inside to spark a revolt, they did, slaves were freed afterwards. The way I saw the episodes, there was no siege.
 
A few extra points from last night.

- Joffery gave an excellent performance.

- Varys looked so put off by the news about the Starks. Love it.

- I have a feeling this was the beginning of the end for either Shae or Tyrion since Shae didn't take the "out". It's not like she'll stay and now everything will be ok.

- Wolf head was gruesome.

- I really really hate the Frey helmets. Am I the only one? They look so friggen dumb.

- Dat Frey foreshadowing from Bran.
 
Poor Tyrion, you get the feeing he might have been able to sex his wife finally but then his dad had to help orchestrate the slaughtering of his wife's remaining family.
 
Exterminieren said:
Not now, no. I initially jumped in with the third book after series 2 and had comparatively few problems, but the way that A Sword of Storms has been sliced up for the show means that there's no obvious entry point without spoiling yourself.
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wow. i would not recommend this to anyone. you rob yourself of so much.
 
Even though I found the ending of the episode pretty cheesy, I felt the lamest part was the last scene involving Davos/Stannis/Mel. Here she's been looking into the fire and seeing vague future events since the character has been introduced but it takes the onion knight mentioning a future war for her to finally see such a major fucking world-changing event in the future. She's like "oh wait! there it is". It felt so forced, and what good is she anyways if she's that late to the punch?
 
DarkKyo said:
Even though I found the ending of the episode pretty cheesy, I felt the lamest part was the last scene involving Davos/Stannis/Mel. Here she's been looking into the fire and seeing vague future events since the character has been introduced but it takes the onion knight mentioning a future war for her to finally see such a major fucking world-changing event in the future. She's like "oh wait! there it is". It felt so forced, and what good is she anyways if she's that late to the punch?
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lol
 
DarkKyo said:
She's like "oh wait! there it is". It felt so forced, and what good is she anyways if she's that late to the punch?
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Didn't you pay attention to the scene? She put the letter in the flames, saw that the message was true, and said "yep, beardface mcnofingers knows what's up".

Also "vague future events". There's your answer.
 
Can someone break down what happened with Bolton, the Starks and the Grey Joys? My understanding is that:

Theon invades Winterfell, gets Bran to yield the city to him.
Theon is believed to have killed Bran and Rickon
Bolton's men arrive, get the Greyjoys to rat out Theon.
Bolton men take Theon hostage and sack the city, but tell Robb that it was the Greyjoys who sacked the city?
 
DarkKyo said:
Even though I found the ending of the episode pretty cheesy, I felt the lamest part was the last scene involving Davos/Stannis/Mel. Here she's been looking into the fire and seeing vague future events since the character has been introduced but it takes the onion knight mentioning a future war for her to finally see such a major fucking world-changing event in the future. She's like "oh wait! there it is". It felt so forced, and what good is she anyways if she's that late to the punch?
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She's a person piecing together information, some of it fragments of future events, she's not omniscient. In the first episode last season she shares the prophecy about the long winter , frozen seas, and the dead rising in the darkness. Stannis looks into the flame and sees a "great battle in the snow". It's not until Davos brings them Maester Aemon's letter that she realizes the shit The Lord of Light has been saying will happen is happening...drop this ridiculous game and go north.
 
DarkKyo said:
Even though I found the ending of the episode pretty cheesy, I felt the lamest part was the last scene involving Davos/Stannis/Mel. Here she's been looking into the fire and seeing vague future events since the character has been introduced but it takes the onion knight mentioning a future war for her to finally see such a major fucking world-changing event in the future. She's like "oh wait! there it is". It felt so forced, and what good is she anyways if she's that late to the punch?
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isn't that the point?
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Can someone break down what happened with Bolton, the Starks and the Grey Joys? My understanding is that:

Theon invades Winterfell, gets Bran to yield the city to him.
Theon is believed to have killed Bran and Rickon
Bolton's men arrive, get the Greyjoys to rat out Theon.
Bolton men take Theon hostage and sack the city, but tell Robb that it was the Greyjoys who sacked the city?
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That's pretty much it.
Greyjoys surrendered and gave Theon to Ramsay, but he killed them anyway. He's such a good lad, makes his father proud.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Can someone break down what happened with Bolton, the Starks and the Grey Joys? My understanding is that:

Theon invades Winterfell, gets Bran to yield the city to him.
Theon is believed to have killed Bran and Rickon
Bolton's men arrive, get the Greyjoys to rat out Theon.
Bolton men take Theon hostage and sack the city, but tell Robb that it was the Greyjoys who sacked the city?
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That's pretty much exactly correct. Ramsay also killed the Greyjoy men that handed Theon over cause he's a sick fuck
 
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