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I thought they did? There was a scene where Tywin talked about how small the last living dragon was like he was all cool about it.

I mean didn't Joffrey find out in separate channels about the dragons, freak out, check in with Tywin who told him not to worry? So even the idiot king found out about that one.
 
I thought they did? There was a scene where Tywin talked about how small the last living dragon was like he was all cool about it.

Tywin was pretty dismissive about it and chalked it up to rumor and speculation. It was ironic in that it was Joffrey who actually showed the proper concern for it.
 
I don't really have any issue with Dany's story as it is. I just hate how disconnected it is. It makes it one of the most boring, for me. Almost every single character in Westeros is part of a great narrative network. Even more isolated characters like Bran and Rickon. They meet people, see things, and have an impact on the world around them. And there's always that anticipation of what will happen when they do meet people elsewhere. Jon and Bran might be separate, but they're brothers, on the same continent, floating around the same area. There's a shred of hope they'll meet, even if they don't. And then when major events happen to another character, it always has a lasting impact on the narrative of another. What happens to Robb impacts Tywin, which impacts everyone at King's Landing. Tyrion is at King's Landing, and thus impacts Sansa. Sansa is friendly with the Tyrells, and so what happens to her impacts them, along with Shae.

Dany, on the other hand, has been isolated for three seasons. With the exception of Barristan Selmy's arrival, and the assassination plot in season one, everything that happens to her could be shot and cut and filmed separately as an entirely different show. You really wouldn't notice the difference. She's out of the loop that is the Westeros narrative arc.

And that is the point. Her story is more personal, of development, with the promise she will bring the shit down in Westeros. And she has been mentioned in Westeros by the likes of Varys. But after three seasons it really is more of the same shit with no actual impact on any other narrative arc.

It's like, you've got:
North vs. Lannister War / Joffrey insanity / Tyrion + Sansa + Shae / Arya + The Hound / Brotherhood without Banners / Stannis + Red Priestess / Tyrells / Jon + Wildlings + Watch / Bran + Hodor + co / White Walkers / etc

Several distinct plot threads all woven together in a great narrative tapestry.

Then you've got:
Dany + Dragons / Slaves

It's like a show within a show. A fun one, but totally devoid of the awesome politics and back-and-forthing of shit going in Westeros.
 
It felt kinda nice to have comic relief as a season ending after the red wedding

people would have been up in arms if the red wedding had been the season finale
 
I thought Melisandre made it clear when she said the real war was up north. There's no point fighting for the Red Keep when death marches south. Who is he gonna rule when the White Walkers have killed all his subjects?

Yeah, but his ultimate goal is to rule Westeros. What little army he has , he's going to "waste" it to fight the undead, then have to turn around and fight the Lannisters/Tyrells? I guess he's just banking on a miracle from the Lord of Light if he helps fight the Others?
 
I don't really have any issue with Dany's story as it is. I just hate how disconnected it is. It makes it one of the most boring, for me. Almost every single character in Westeros is part of a great narrative network. Even more isolated characters like Bran and Rickon. They meet people, see things, and have an impact on the world around them. And there's always that anticipation of what will happen when they do meet people elsewhere. Jon and Bran might be separate, but they're brothers, on the same continent, floating around the same area. There's a shred of hope they'll meet, even if they don't. And then when major events happen to another character, it always has a lasting impact on the narrative of another. What happens to Robb impacts Tywin, which impacts everyone at King's Landing. Tyrion is at King's Landing, and thus impacts Sansa. Sansa is friendly with the Tyrells, and so what happens to her impacts them, along with Shae.

Dany, on the other hand, has been isolated for three seasons. With the exception of Barristan Selmy's arrival, and the assassination plot in season one, everything that happens to her could be shot and cut and filmed separately as an entirely different show. You really wouldn't notice the difference. She's out of the loop that is the Westeros narrative arc.

And that is the point. Her story is more personal, of development, with the promise she will bring the shit down in Westeros. And she has been mentioned in Westeros by the likes of Varys. But after three seasons it really is more of the same shit with no actual impact on any other narrative arc.

It's like, you've got:
North vs. Lannister War / Joffrey insanity / Tyrion + Sansa + Shae / Arya + The Hound / Brotherhood without Banners / Stannis + Red Priestess / Tyrells / Jon + Wildlings + Watch / Bran + Hodor + co / White Walkers / etc

Several distinct plot threads all woven together in a great narrative tapestry.

Then you've got:
Dany + Dragons / Slaves

It's like a show within a show. A fun one, but totally devoid of the awesome politics and back-and-forthing of shit going in Westeros.

I feel like the main purpose of the Dany stuff is to go alongside the Melisandre/Lord of Light stuff and the White Walkers and bring all this crazy fantastical shit to an otherwise fairly grounded, highly political, and entirely human-based affair. All three of those elements are essentially converging onto the same focal point and seem destined to arrive at it together, totally upending the worlds of most of the Westeros population.

It's true that the Dany scenes are quite repetitive and disconnected from the main story up to this point, but I'm liking the general implications of her storyline. Though I wouldn't be surprised if some monkey wrench is thrown into her plans.
 
It's like a show within a show. A fun one, but totally devoid of the awesome politics and back-and-forthing of shit going in Westeros.

I think that's the point though? Both Bran and Dany's stories are about breaking up the political heaviness? Bran's story is an adventure and Dany's story is a "coming of age" / "coming of power" tale.
 
And that is the point. Her story is more personal, of development, with the promise she will bring the shit down in Westeros. And she has been mentioned in Westeros by the likes of Varys. But after three seasons it really is more of the same shit with no actual impact on any other narrative arc.

The show could do without a few of her scenes, but when the final showdown comes up i.e. Dragons from one side, Ice zombies from the other and everyone who is left sandwiched in between, people won't wonder, whoa, where did this girl come from.

It could get a bit more interesting if she ever found out about Jorah's alleged treasonous behavior. I still think that could play a part at some point.
 
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I really don't know why people are shitting all over the finale.

We needed a breather after red wedding. The plot moved forward, it set some things up for next season, and we had some great character scenes.

About the only thing I agree with is the final scene with Dany. It was a little odd, but the rest of the episode was great.
 
Everyone got the memo from the Nights Watch but I guess Stannis would be stupid not to jump in first rather than bandwagon onto someone else's crusade up north. At least then he can build on that popularity and recruit an army again after losing most of his during the Blackwater.

I think he realizes The Lord of Light's plan for him is coming into fruition. Last season Melisandre tells him look into the fire and Stannis sees a massive battle raging in the snow.

An army of the dead marching in perpetual darkness who can only be killed by fire are natural foes for Lord of Light followers and their prophecies say as much. For the night is dark and full of terrors....
 
I think he realizes The Lord of Light's plan for him is coming into fruition. Last season Melisandre tells him look into the fire and Stannis sees a massive battle raging in the snow.

An army of the dead marching in perpetual darkness who can only be killed by fire are natural foes for Lord of Light followers and their prophecies say as much. For the night is dark and full of terrors....

Uhh... That's not how I remember it. I'm pretty certain he didn't say what he saw.
 
Shae is stupid. I think Varys is trying to avoid her ending up like Roz. I think he feels really guilty about that and wants her to leave before she dies and he has more blood on his hands. But noooo, she assumes its Tyrion being too scared to tell her to leave. Geez she's the worst. The throaty quality of her voice does not help.

I suspect that its Tywin that is trying to get her to leave, perhaps for recompense for what he did to Tyrions first 'wife'. At least that would make for an interesting story :)
 
eatchildren said:
Her story is more personal, of development, with the promise she will bring the shit down in Westeros

That’s actually the reason I like her story line so much. I love having this window into events on the far side of the world that the petty lords of Westeros don’t have. We know about her huge army and her dragon trump card, but the people in Westeros either have no clue or are completely dismissive of the stories they hear. There’s an arrogance there that’s going to be very satisfying to see corrected once Dany lands in Westeros and the threat we’ve been privy to watch all this time suddenly materializes in front of someone like Tywin Lannister.

Obviously, people’s mileage will vary with how long they can tolerate her being so disconnected from the larger story, but I would assume as she travels further west she’ll gradually come into contact with people from Westeros, even before she actually makes it there.
 
About the only thing I agree with is the final scene with Dany. It was a little odd, but the rest of the episode was great.

Yeah I think an earlier scene slotted into the episode would have helped.

I checked the time when her scene finally came up at the end and realised "oh, of course, ending with Dany".

It seems like all of her stuff is reserved for the end of episodes because it's seen as more epic, and conclusive.

It's getting a little predictable. They need to shake her up next season.
 
Everyone got the memo from the Nights Watch but I guess Stannis would be stupid not to jump in first rather than bandwagon onto someone else's crusade up north. At least then he can build on that popularity and recruit an army again after losing most of his during the Blackwater.

Not really anything to do with popularity, it's that the War down south is meaningless when the White Walkers are coming from beyond the Wall. That's the real fight and he needs to drop the King stuff and get to it.
 
The ending felt so rushed. They rushed thru the Melisandre/Davos/Stannis scene. They rushed thru Danny's crowdsurfing moment with the slaves. Had very little dramatic impact for me.
 
I absolutely LOVED the scene with Frey justifying his actions to Roose, with the wives/daughters cleaning up the blood while he eats. That scene was perfect.
 
I absolutely LOVED the scene with Frey justifying his actions to Roose, with the wives/daughters cleaning up the blood while he eats. That scene was perfect.

That scene was perfect. I know it's a different day, but it LOOKS like Frey hasn't moved an inch since the wedding. He just sits there drinking his wine.
 
A few extra points from last night.

- Joffery gave an excellent performance.

- Varys looked so put off by the news about the Starks. Love it.

- I have a feeling this was the beginning of the end for either Shae or Tyrion since Shae didn't take the "out". It's not like she'll stay and now everything will be ok.

- Wolf head was gruesome.

- I really really hate the Frey helmets. Am I the only one? They look so friggen dumb.

- Dat Frey foreshadowing from Bran.

explain plz, missed that refere nce
 
HODOR! hodor hodor

Laughed so hard


OW shit Bran is going to fight the white walkers, and gonna get saved by Stannis.

Then dany swoops in and takes the 7 kingdoms.
 
Last week the thread was full of people threatening to quit the show because GRRM is a sadistic asshole.

This week we get a - dare I say - uplifting end to the season and people are bitching about it being too cheesy.

Neogaf!

This ep was full of great moments; Tyrion and Tywin telling Joffrey to go fuck himself, Yahra setting off to rescue Theon and fuck up the Boltons, Sansa actually being happy, Arya completing part 1 of her revenge tour.

Seriously I'm not quite sure what some people want from this show.
 
I like how Sam and Bran discover who each other are and what their motivations are in one scene and a show like The Walking Dead isn't able to accomplish that over 6-8 episodes.
 
Last week the thread was full of people threatening to quit the show because GRRM is a sadistic asshole.

This week we get a - dare I say - uplifting end to the season and people are bitching about it being too cheesy.

Neogaf!

This ep was full of great moments; Tyrion and Tywin telling Joffrey to go fuck himself, Yahra setting off to rescue Theon and fuck up the Boltons, Sansa actually being happy, Arya completing part 1 of her revenge tour.

Seriously I'm not quite sure what some people want from this show.

I agree. Sure, the ending could have been better (in the sense of not being quite as corny), but the episode overall had some fantastic play between characters. Tywin's moments and Stannis' were the best, to me.
 
Mind if I keep warm?
FUCK OFF

I'm trying not to get attached to Hodor, because if he dies, it'd be a bigger gut punch than all the Stark deaths combined.
 
I like how Sam and Bran discover who each other are and what their motivations are in one scene and a show like The Walking Dead isn't able to accomplish that over 6-8 episodes.

I was getting all ready for a drawn out "I don't trust you/you don't trust me" exchange. So glad they skipped that.
 
Mind if I keep warm?
FUCK OFF

I'm trying not to get attached to Hodor, because if he dies, it'd be a bigger gut punch than all the Stark deaths combined.

Oh god don't, it'd be like killing a bunch of puppies on screen. (which I guess they sorta did already...)

I was getting all ready for a drawn out "I don't trust you/you don't trust me" exchange. So glad they skipped that.

Oh yes and this, had enough of that with Bran's posse already.
 
I didn't really like the ending not because it was cheesy (though it was) but because it has nothing to do with anything. I don't mind Dany's story -- and I've been quite liking it this year actually -- but I don't think it's right to end the season with one of her scenes because it's too far removed from the bulk of the show. After all the shit that went down last week, and having to wait another year to get some bloody retribution for it, Dany being beloved by yet another group of freed slaves seems like a really dumb and pointless note to go out on.
 
Are Bran and Jon in the same place now?

When Sam asked Bran who his brother was and Jojen shushed him is was certain we were about to get blueballed and Sam wouldn't make the connection.
 
Are Bran and Jon in the same place now?

When Sam asked Bran who his brother was and Jojen shushed him is was certain we were about to get blueballed and Sam wouldn't make the connection.

Bran's at one of the unguarded castles, forgot the name. Jon and Sam are at Castle Black.
 
The Brotherhood Without Banners marching north with Stannis makes too much sense for it not to happen: Fellow Lord of Light followers, they've met and respect Melisandre, their cause is protecting the weak, and why would anyone go to war with White Walkers without the guys with flaming swords....

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Besides, Thoros & Beric getting bigger roles would bring me immeasurable joy. That they were absent from the finale was the one low point; especially since they were on a Lannister hunt.
 
So it seems Theon is being slowly broken. This guy seems to be trying to force him into an intimate relationship, the way he was touching him and ridiculously close to him. What if his sister arrives and Theon doesn't want to go? It would be crazy if he like falls in love with him. Daenerys even reminded us this episode that "people grow to love their chains." Sounds like some good ol fashioned foreshadowing if ya ask me.
 
So it seems Reek is being slowly broken. This guy seems to be trying to force him into an intimate relationship, the way he was touching him and ridiculously close to him. What if his sister arrives and Reek doesn't want to go? It would be crazy if he like falls in love with him. Daenerys even reminded us this episode that "people grow to love their chains." Sounds like some good ol fashioned foreshadowing if ya ask me.

Fixed. And what happens when the non-existent bumps into the psychotic?

As horrifying as that scenario sounds I'd take a 'Ramsay & Reek' spinoff between seasons over nothing in a hearbeat.
 
So it seems Theon is being slowly broken. This guy seems to be trying to force him into an intimate relationship, the way he was touching him and ridiculously close to him. What if his sister arrives and Theon doesn't want to go? It would be crazy if he like falls in love with him. Daenerys even reminded us this episode that "people grow to love their chains." Sounds like some good ol fashioned foreshadowing if ya ask me.

That seems like a huge stretch. If anything Theon would be faking it to have Ramsay let his guard down, but I don't see that happening.

I'm starting to side with Stannis more and more as he is the rightful king and is kinda an anti-hero so you get the good and bad with him.
He is at least going to try and do something about the white walkers, instead of the rest of the kingdom like the Lannisters who just worry about their own selfish problems.
Although, Stannis does need to get off Dragonstone as it's been a while since he's left the island (since Blackwater).
 
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