I mean didn't Joffrey find out in separate channels about the dragons, freak out, check in with Tywin who told him not to worry? So even the idiot king found out about that one.
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I mean didn't Joffrey find out in separate channels about the dragons, freak out, check in with Tywin who told him not to worry? So even the idiot king found out about that one.
Tywin was pretty dismissive about it and chalked it up to rumor and speculation. It was ironic in that it was Joffrey who actually showed the proper concern for it.
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I don't really have any issue with Dany's story as it is. I just hate how disconnected it is. It makes it one of the most boring, for me. Almost every single character in Westeros is part of a great narrative network. Even more isolated characters like Bran and Rickon. They meet people, see things, and have an impact on the world around them. And there's always that anticipation of what will happen when they do meet people elsewhere. Jon and Bran might be separate, but they're brothers, on the same continent, floating around the same area. There's a shred of hope they'll meet, even if they don't. And then when major events happen to another character, it always has a lasting impact on the narrative of another. What happens to Robb impacts Tywin, which impacts everyone at King's Landing. Tyrion is at King's Landing, and thus impacts Sansa. Sansa is friendly with the Tyrells, and so what happens to her impacts them, along with Shae.
Dany, on the other hand, has been isolated for three seasons. With the exception of Barristan Selmy's arrival, and the assassination plot in season one, everything that happens to her could be shot and cut and filmed separately as an entirely different show. You really wouldn't notice the difference. She's out of the loop that is the Westeros narrative arc.
And that is the point. Her story is more personal, of development, with the promise she will bring the shit down in Westeros. And she has been mentioned in Westeros by the likes of Varys. But after three seasons it really is more of the same shit with no actual impact on any other narrative arc.
It's like, you've got:
North vs. Lannister War / Joffrey insanity / Tyrion + Sansa + Shae / Arya + The Hound / Brotherhood without Banners / Stannis + Red Priestess / Tyrells / Jon + Wildlings + Watch / Bran + Hodor + co / White Walkers / etc
Several distinct plot threads all woven together in a great narrative tapestry.
Then you've got:
Dany + Dragons / Slaves
It's like a show within a show. A fun one, but totally devoid of the awesome politics and back-and-forthing of shit going in Westeros.
Dany, on the other hand, has been isolated for three seasons. With the exception of Barristan Selmy's arrival, and the assassination plot in season one, everything that happens to her could be shot and cut and filmed separately as an entirely different show. You really wouldn't notice the difference. She's out of the loop that is the Westeros narrative arc.
And that is the point. Her story is more personal, of development, with the promise she will bring the shit down in Westeros. And she has been mentioned in Westeros by the likes of Varys. But after three seasons it really is more of the same shit with no actual impact on any other narrative arc.
It's like, you've got:
North vs. Lannister War / Joffrey insanity / Tyrion + Sansa + Shae / Arya + The Hound / Brotherhood without Banners / Stannis + Red Priestess / Tyrells / Jon + Wildlings + Watch / Bran + Hodor + co / White Walkers / etc
Several distinct plot threads all woven together in a great narrative tapestry.
Then you've got:
Dany + Dragons / Slaves
It's like a show within a show. A fun one, but totally devoid of the awesome politics and back-and-forthing of shit going in Westeros.
Oh, i must have missed that scene then.
Yeah, but his ultimate goal is to rule Westeros. What little army he has , he's going to "waste" it to fight the undead, then have to turn around and fight the Lannisters/Tyrells? I guess he's just banking on a miracle from the Lord of Light if he helps fight the Others?
I feel like the main purpose of the Dany stuff is to go alongside the Melisandre/Lord of Light stuff and the White Walkers and bring all this crazy fantastical shit to an otherwise fairly grounded, highly political, and entirely human-based affair. All three of those elements are essentially converging onto the same focal point and seem destined to arrive at it together, totally upending the worlds of most of the Westeros population.
It's true that the Dany scenes are quite repetitive and disconnected from the main story up to this point, but I'm liking the general implications of her storyline. Though I wouldn't be surprised if some monkey wrench is thrown into her plans.
I think that's the point though? Both Bran and Dany's stories are about breaking up the political heaviness? Bran's story is an adventure and Dany's story is a "coming of age" / "coming of power" tale.
The show could do without a few of her scenes, but when the final showdown comes up i.e. Dragons from one side, Ice zombies from the other and everyone who is left sandwiched in between, people won't wonder, whoa, where did this girl come from.
It could get a bit more interesting if she ever found out about Jorah's alleged treasonous behavior. I still think that could play a part at some point.
kellycandthedragons
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This entire season was about transitions. It wasn't big on huge moments but if you think about where we started and where we are now, nearly every character has changed.
Joel Was Right
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I really don't know why people are shitting all over the finale.
We needed a breather after red wedding. The plot moved forward, it set some things up for next season, and we had some great character scenes.
About the only thing I agree with is the final scene with Dany. It was a little odd, but the rest of the episode was great.
We needed a breather after red wedding. The plot moved forward, it set some things up for next season, and we had some great character scenes.
About the only thing I agree with is the final scene with Dany. It was a little odd, but the rest of the episode was great.
Nameless
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I think he realizes The Lord of Light's plan for him is coming into fruition. Last season Melisandre tells him look into the fire and Stannis sees a massive battle raging in the snow.
An army of the dead marching in perpetual darkness who can only be killed by fire are natural foes for Lord of Light followers and their prophecies say as much. For the night is dark and full of terrors....
Uhh... That's not how I remember it. I'm pretty certain he didn't say what he saw.
Phoenix
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I suspect that its Tywin that is trying to get her to leave, perhaps for recompense for what he did to Tyrions first 'wife'. At least that would make for an interesting story
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Thats actually the reason I like her story line so much. I love having this window into events on the far side of the world that the petty lords of Westeros dont have. We know about her huge army and her dragon trump card, but the people in Westeros either have no clue or are completely dismissive of the stories they hear. Theres an arrogance there thats going to be very satisfying to see corrected once Dany lands in Westeros and the threat weve been privy to watch all this time suddenly materializes in front of someone like Tywin Lannister.
Obviously, peoples mileage will vary with how long they can tolerate her being so disconnected from the larger story, but I would assume as she travels further west shell gradually come into contact with people from Westeros, even before she actually makes it there.
Last Hearth
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He did, he told Davos what he saw when he visited Davos in the dungenons, "a massive battle in the snow".
Ohhh. Okay. Forgot about that scene. Thanks.
Liquidsnake
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I actually loved that scene with Jon. It felt so real
Me too, I got emotional.
Yeah I think an earlier scene slotted into the episode would have helped.
I checked the time when her scene finally came up at the end and realised "oh, of course, ending with Dany".
It seems like all of her stuff is reserved for the end of episodes because it's seen as more epic, and conclusive.
It's getting a little predictable. They need to shake her up next season.
Not really anything to do with popularity, it's that the War down south is meaningless when the White Walkers are coming from beyond the Wall. That's the real fight and he needs to drop the King stuff and get to it.
gregor7777
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gregor7777
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I absolutely LOVED the scene with Frey justifying his actions to Roose, with the wives/daughters cleaning up the blood while he eats. That scene was perfect.
That scene was perfect. I know it's a different day, but it LOOKS like Frey hasn't moved an inch since the wedding. He just sits there drinking his wine.
explain plz, missed that refere nce
Phoenix
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How the gods never forgive a person who kills a guest under their roof - in reference to the rat king story right before they switched over to Frey
I was really bumed when this wasn't in the finale credits:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM60cVXk1us
Maybe it was intended for something else but the scene was cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM60cVXk1us
Maybe it was intended for something else but the scene was cut
Last week the thread was full of people threatening to quit the show because GRRM is a sadistic asshole.
This week we get a - dare I say - uplifting end to the season and people are bitching about it being too cheesy.
Neogaf!
This ep was full of great moments; Tyrion and Tywin telling Joffrey to go fuck himself, Yahra setting off to rescue Theon and fuck up the Boltons, Sansa actually being happy, Arya completing part 1 of her revenge tour.
Seriously I'm not quite sure what some people want from this show.
This week we get a - dare I say - uplifting end to the season and people are bitching about it being too cheesy.
Neogaf!
This ep was full of great moments; Tyrion and Tywin telling Joffrey to go fuck himself, Yahra setting off to rescue Theon and fuck up the Boltons, Sansa actually being happy, Arya completing part 1 of her revenge tour.
Seriously I'm not quite sure what some people want from this show.
CitizenVectron
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I agree. Sure, the ending could have been better (in the sense of not being quite as corny), but the episode overall had some fantastic play between characters. Tywin's moments and Stannis' were the best, to me.
I was getting all ready for a drawn out "I don't trust you/you don't trust me" exchange. So glad they skipped that.
Oh god don't, it'd be like killing a bunch of puppies on screen. (which I guess they sorta did already...)
Oh yes and this, had enough of that with Bran's posse already.
I didn't really like the ending not because it was cheesy (though it was) but because it has nothing to do with anything. I don't mind Dany's story -- and I've been quite liking it this year actually -- but I don't think it's right to end the season with one of her scenes because it's too far removed from the bulk of the show. After all the shit that went down last week, and having to wait another year to get some bloody retribution for it, Dany being beloved by yet another group of freed slaves seems like a really dumb and pointless note to go out on.
lol I don't think we've ever even seen Frey move up on his feet. He's always sitting.
Jon was already north of the Wall when Theon took Winterfell so probably no.
GalacticSushiman
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Nope, Jon Snow knows nothing. (sorry I could not resist).
Ratings this week:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mhysa#Television_ratings
Higher than last week's episode, lower than this season's peak. But still higher than last season's finale. It has now eclipsed True Blood.
In other words, I guess people didn't really ditch the show!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mhysa#Television_ratings
Higher than last week's episode, lower than this season's peak. But still higher than last season's finale. It has now eclipsed True Blood.
In other words, I guess people didn't really ditch the show!
Bran's at one of the unguarded castles, forgot the name. Jon and Sam are at Castle Black.
Nameless
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The Brotherhood Without Banners marching north with Stannis makes too much sense for it not to happen: Fellow Lord of Light followers, they've met and respect Melisandre, their cause is protecting the weak, and why would anyone go to war with White Walkers without the guys with flaming swords....
Besides, Thoros & Beric getting bigger roles would bring me immeasurable joy. That they were absent from the finale was the one low point; especially since they were on a Lannister hunt.
Besides, Thoros & Beric getting bigger roles would bring me immeasurable joy. That they were absent from the finale was the one low point; especially since they were on a Lannister hunt.
kellycandthedragons
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So it seems Theon is being slowly broken. This guy seems to be trying to force him into an intimate relationship, the way he was touching him and ridiculously close to him. What if his sister arrives and Theon doesn't want to go? It would be crazy if he like falls in love with him. Daenerys even reminded us this episode that "people grow to love their chains." Sounds like some good ol fashioned foreshadowing if ya ask me.
Nameless
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Fixed. And what happens when the non-existent bumps into the psychotic?
As horrifying as that scenario sounds I'd take a 'Ramsay & Reek' spinoff between seasons over nothing in a hearbeat.
Yep he's at Nightfort, one of many abandoned castles along the wall.
TheCrazyGuru
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That seems like a huge stretch. If anything Theon would be faking it to have Ramsay let his guard down, but I don't see that happening.
I'm starting to side with Stannis more and more as he is the rightful king and is kinda an anti-hero so you get the good and bad with him.
He is at least going to try and do something about the white walkers, instead of the rest of the kingdom like the Lannisters who just worry about their own selfish problems.
Although, Stannis does need to get off Dragonstone as it's been a while since he's left the island (since Blackwater).
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