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It wouldn't have mattered anyways, as evidenced by the barrage of arrows that follow Rickon's fall. He was dead no matter what.
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It wouldn't have mattered anyways, as evidenced by the barrage of arrows that follow Rickon's fall. He was dead no matter what.
Ghostmaster
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I will say that the grunts of the bolton phalanx were vastly inferior compared to the spartan phalanx in 300. There just wasn't enough oomph to it.
Summer Haze
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I bet one of the dragons will die in the taking of King's Landing, and the Night King will resurrect it when he arrives to distract the other two while he lays waste to everything else.
TheLetdown
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Really good episode. Finally, we get some wins tossed our way!
But this highlights the problem I had with Ramsay's story line. When you spend 3-ish seasons showing nothing but how horrible he is, in graphic detail, episode after episode, there is absolutely no way you can work his death into the story in a way that would feel rewarding.
It's just over. Even though they made sure that it was his own tools used against him, it doesn't feel like all of that time was justified.
But this highlights the problem I had with Ramsay's story line. When you spend 3-ish seasons showing nothing but how horrible he is, in graphic detail, episode after episode, there is absolutely no way you can work his death into the story in a way that would feel rewarding.
It's just over. Even though they made sure that it was his own tools used against him, it doesn't feel like all of that time was justified.
Miles Quaritch
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So what's Jon's kill-count after this episode? Has to nearing 100 right?
Ghostmaster
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No need to even film the resurrection scene, just put in the Wrath of the Lich King cinematic.
Still about 10 000 fewer kills than Legolas
The One Who Knocks
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They knew she was back, but not necessarily that the dragon returned too (and they knew specifically the other dragons were chained up which is why they say it to her) nor that she was intending on actually fighting with them (because why would they think that; as far as they know she has no army, the city is weak which is why Tyrion made the offer, the attack is already well underway, they're there specifically to negotiate surrender, and even if she has a single dragon it's not necessarily that big an issue, the issue was there being multiple and them now being huge).
Few of the people in the show also seem to be aware that Daenerys has direct control of the dragons and that they can't be tamed as easily as they appear (that they aren't mere beasts/animals). Some of those Daenerys has faced have certainly been foolish (the Qarth warlocks as you've mentioned), but this instance really doesn't seem like that to me even if you disagree.
Ghostmaster
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Eh could be, maybe it's just me wishing Danny had at least one hard battle before going to Westeros or a competent opponent. She is probably the only main character left that hasn't had a terrifying or more powerful opponent against her.
Snow and Sansa had the Boltons and Snow had the White Walkers even before that.
Arya had the Waif. Danny had.... her brother I guess ... in the first season?
Even Cersei was completely outmaneuvered by the High Sparrow
Scariest moment of the show. Thank god he fucked that guy up in the end--although that whole meat grinder scene was pretty devastating!
The criticism of Jon's generalship in the battle for Winterfell is well deserved, but I disagree with the argument that he's a complete dolt as a leader. He has proven that he can be a tactically competent leader during the worst of times. He has also demonstrated that he's a top tier hero-warrior in the GoT world. But he's emotional, hot headed, prone to letting himself lose control, and easily baited because of his character and integrity.
Hopefully Jon learns from the battle, but he's probably better suited as a tactical leader rather than a strategic general. I could see Jon leading a daring, suicidal raid or attack against the Night King. Sansa and Littlefinger were the more effective generals during the battle if you measure generalship by getting the right people ready to fight, to the right place at the right time.
Hopefully Jon learns from the battle, but he's probably better suited as a tactical leader rather than a strategic general. I could see Jon leading a daring, suicidal raid or attack against the Night King. Sansa and Littlefinger were the more effective generals during the battle if you measure generalship by getting the right people ready to fight, to the right place at the right time.
Yeah same here, I was even scared Jon would die.
But man Ramsay being fed to his own dogs was amazing.
Also the Dany and Yara scene was amazing!
Netherscourge
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Someone needs to photoshop Lightning McQueen over Rickon during the longshot scene on the battlefield. And caption it "SERPENTINE! SERPENTINE!"
maquiladora
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Top tier episode. The battle was shot beautifully.
I think Jon charge forward to avoid the barrage of arrows that was about to land on his head. You can see them hit the ground as soon as he moves forward.
At any rate, Jon was a total boss in that battle, so zip it, haters.
Yeah, gotta stand up for Jon here. He may not be the best tactician but he sure as hell is a great warrior.
-tetsuo-
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It was always about that. The first scene in the show was about the zombies.
OMG I didn't notice that. Time to re-watch I guess.
Netherscourge
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Rickon can't dodge one fucking arrow.
Jon dodges the sun being blotted out of the sky.
Jon dodges the sun being blotted out of the sky.
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Confidence Man
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Kind of surprised Ramsay didn't sic a dog on Rickon after letting him go instead of relying on his archery skill.
Kenzodielocke
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Damn. Really good job in making me think that they will lose the battle. We all knew that the knights of the Vale will show up, but the director made a really good job in letting me forget that.
Fan-fucking-tasting. Happy shitting.
Fan-fucking-tasting. Happy shitting.
MagicWithEarvin
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That's cause those arrowmen aren't as accurate as Ramsay. If Ramsay was firing at Jon in the battlefield he would've got him in the eye without even looking.
ComputerBlue
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Jon could have yelled at Rickon to move, he could have moved himself forcing Rickon to move to align with him.
Jon's the real monster.
I wouldn't call not letting your main forces know that reinforcement could be on the way, avoiding hundreds if not thousands of death to be good leadership.
Self serving, power grab and smart in a "let's fuck any pretention my Brother could have to the North with his Wildling army and Giant", sure.
Putting qualifiers, I would say (not in order of skill)
Best plotters: Cercei, Tywinn (deceased), Margery, High Sparrow, Olenna, Littlefinger
Best inspirational leader: Dany, Ned (deceased)
Best strategists: Rob (deceased), Jaime, Ser Davos, Tyrion, Yara
Best field fighters/ tacticans: Hound, Mountain, Oberyn (deceased), Jaime (two hands), Jon, Brienne, Loras
Best guerilla fighters: Bronn, Vipers, Daario, Yara
Imo for the ultimate army facing the WW, you should have Dany as inspiration, Jaime general, Brienne and Jon field commanders, and Bronn/ Yara leading guerilla units.
I just did and I didn't notice boiling. I just see waves and ripples from the movement of the attack and people jumping into the water.
The Lamonster
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That was my favorite episode of Game of Thrones so far. Just awesome.
Nameless
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Seriously. What have we seen from Jon throughout his arc to make us think he'd sit idly by and do nothing as his brother is shot down? He went by himself, he didn't command the rest of his men to charge, Davos did that. There's usually an inordinate amount of energy spent nitpicking in this thread, especially fresh off episodes, but this one is off base.
I don't know, that water is pretty violently churning and frothy and exploding upward. We already know dragon fire is hot enough to melt a stone castle:
I'm saying it's boiling the sea.
Do you mean Cercei is one of the best plotters on the show for the audience? Because that I can kind of see as she's entertaining. If you think she's actually a good plotter and has good foresight then I'm going to have to disagree. She only sees what's directly in front of her and that's come back to haunt her.
Deaf Spacker
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Just watched it, holy shit.
Ramsay was such a coward, he didn't even get involved in the battle.
Dude got what he deserved.
Ramsay was such a coward, he didn't even get involved in the battle.
Dude got what he deserved.
Shortt Sirket
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Such an incredible episode. Glad to see the team behind this is also doing the finale. Can't fuckin wait.
Maybe I missed someone else saying but what I got out of that and the way the whole battle was shown is that Jon was basically invincible during the battle. He is favored by the Lord of Light and cannot be touched. Just look at all the things that happened JUST in time to save him during that battle.
Maybe I missed someone else saying but what I got out of that and the way the whole battle was shown is that Jon was basically invincible during the battle. He is favored by the Lord of Light and cannot be touched. Just look at all the things that happened JUST in time to save him during that battle.
you can see on the clip above you the vapors and steam
Kenzodielocke
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One giant held the door, the other one broke it.
Heckler456
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This shot man...the music, the tension. Holy shit.
So, was this shot in the same way as that Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy tarmac scene, or was the green screen you reckon? It kinda looks like the former.
Shortt Sirket
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A cool little touch that Reddit noticed:
The shield Jon uses is a Mormont shield.
I want there to be some sort of scene after the battle where they mention that all 62 fighting men of House Mormot are still alive.
Nameless
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What are Cersei's major blunders besides giving the High Sparrow/Faith Militant authority? And while that plan ultimately back fired, due to her dropping her guard more than anything else, it did precisely what it was supposed to, which was oust the Tyrells and put her back in a position of influence. It doesn't negate multiple seasons of her making some of the most impactful moves we've seen on the show. She's absolutely one of the best players of the game.
It was a long lens like the Tinker Tailor thing, so the cavalry looks a lot closer to Jon than they actually are. According to Kit in one of the BTS videos this shot is 100% real with no effects, and it was pretty intimidating trying to act as all the horses charged at him. He was jokingly getting upset at the idea people would assume it was CGI.
EDIT: Einchy's got the link up there.
PepperedHam
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That was the best episode of the series. The cinematography, the tension, the score, the payoff. There isn't much I can say that hasn't already been said but hot damn that budget on display, HBO just swinging their dick around. One of the best battles not just on TV but ever put to screen. Top of the fucking shelf.
Heckler456
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Asked and answered, thanks!
Doctor_Mosh
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best episode ever. hands down
Shortt Sirket
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Damn straight! Lyanna Mormont for Queen of the North!
CMojicaAce
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Is HBO Now on PC working for anyone else? I can log in but can't click on anything I want to watch.
Don't forget they need generals and strategic leaders that are logisticians. No defense against the Night King will work without top tier non-combat generals/leaders that are experts at forging relationships and alliances to get resources, troops, and $ (ahem...Littlefinger).
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