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Game of Thrones - Season 2 - George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire - Sundays on HBO
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Supermanisdead
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littlefinger, fingerbang, duh
Yeah. I've read the books a few times but I never bothered to look at a detailed map for some reason. I glanced at the map in front of the books a few times, but they're no where nearly as detailed at that one. Gave me some perspective.
We learned about salt wives during that scene. We also learned a bit more about Theon as a person.
And it was fun to see Theon in control while on the ship then lose all control once he got home.
If I'm watching a sex scene with no relevant plot then I'm wasting my time and might as well masturbate to some porn.
There is compelling reason, it's just not relevant to the story.
To think of all the things they have cut for the glory that is boobies and full frontal/backal.
Lactose_Intolerant
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edit, wrong thread
This is the one defense of a sex scene on this page that I buy. It's actually a really good justification. On the other hand, I still hate the scene because it's incredibly corny and retarded that the guy is giving the history of his people while he's having sex.
(Sexposition is lame. Either give us sex and don't hide it for what it is or give us exposition and if it's not interesting on it's own, don't include it.)
PhoenixDark
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The question of whether a sex scene was "relevant" to the story isn't the question to me. It's whether the scene is good, for the most part. The Littlefinger scene in S1 simply was not good - Aiden's performance was off, and it was poorly written. The dragon exposition in the Viserys bath scene was also rather heavy handed; and while I'll continue to argue the exposition in that scene was unnecessary, many people disagree so no need to re-litigate that.
The Theon scene this season was fine in part because it seemed self conscious from a writing perspective. A woman talking on and on about her father during sex would be weird, and Theon naturally pointed that out. Too often those types of scenes feature the writer directly talking to the viewer, saying "here is information, take it while these people have sex" which results in a sense that doesn't feel natural or realistic. That scene worked because that wasn't the case.
The Theon scene this season was fine in part because it seemed self conscious from a writing perspective. A woman talking on and on about her father during sex would be weird, and Theon naturally pointed that out. Too often those types of scenes feature the writer directly talking to the viewer, saying "here is information, take it while these people have sex" which results in a sense that doesn't feel natural or realistic. That scene worked because that wasn't the case.
I can buy talking while having sex. It lends to how casual it is for him. Plus she's the one initiating the conversation because she wants a lord to rescue her from being a captains daughter.
Yes, Mel and SanSan lol.
The sexposition isn't the main problem, it's the direction. The sex scenes are out of place with the quality of the show. They come straight of of Cinemax late night.
There was mention of the sex scene with Viserys in the first season. I liked that scene because it was more sensual. It was slow going and the conversation simply flowed better. They had time to actually act instead of spending half their time concentrating on various positions & thrusts.
In fact, any sex scenes involving The Dothraki side were pretty good.
There was mention of the sex scene with Viserys in the first season. I liked that scene because it was more sensual. It was slow going and the conversation simply flowed better. They had time to actually act instead of spending half their time concentrating on various positions & thrusts.
In fact, any sex scenes involving The Dothraki side were pretty good.
The book isn't under time constraints and forced to leave out many great scenes because of that. Every scene in the show must be able to be justified.
Also, I greatly prefer
this dialogue after the sex
to "He'll call me a whore" "But I haven't paid you" and much of the same dialogue as the above while they're having sex.
Yeah, that's actually a really good point. The Viserys hot tub scene really wasn't very necessary to the plot at all or anything, yet I didn't really have any problems with it and I didn't even feel awkward watching that scene with my mom at all. And that's probably a direct result of the direction.
beelzebozo
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Rentahamster
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Not really. There's more to the scene that just dragon names. It gives backstory to the history of the iron throne and the overthrow of the Targaryans. It shows the decline of House Targaryan via metaphor regarding the size of the dragons' skulls. It shows Viserys' resentment over Robert.
The scene also gives context to the master/slave relationship in the world, and contrasts Viserys' seemingly nice personality at the beginning of the scene to his rapid shift to a cold, mean personality at the end of the scene.
Cornballer
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.Televisionary said:
What I'll say about Ep. 6, which I just watched tonight as well, is that nothing feels "new" (ironic, given the dramatic book->screen departure Jace alludes to): for the first time this season, everything is a continuation of narratives/dynamics/developments that we've seen introduced in previous episodes. It creates an incredibly dynamic sense of progress, with each storyline moving quickly but resonating based on those connections with earlier sequences.
Do you mean the deviation is
Renly not dying?
Harry Potter
Banned
Seeing this picture pisses me off even more about the recast. 7'1" 320lbs
LOL
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I wouldn't.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
The only thing people did back then is drink, fight, and fuck. If you don't show enough of the three, you aren't being true to the realities of the era. At least this series gives a lot of power to women; that certainly wasn't the norm back in the dark ages. Not liking it is one thing, but denying that it's properly setting the tone, look, and feel of how this world runs in that area is just demonstrating a personal distaste. Far too often, imo.
vitaminwateryum
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What are the odds of Conan coming back for season 3/4? Since his departure was due to scheduling conflicts, is there a chance of him coming back?
Cornballer
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- WiC.net with The Daily Raven Special: Interview with Richard Madden
Steelyuhas
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Well apparently he wasn't asked back by D&D/HBO before the scheduling conflict. They planned to replace him either way, so I don't think we'll see him back.
series spoiler
I read Gregor vs the viper with Conan Stevens as the Mountain, it's going to be odd to see it otherwise.
Great interview.
I love Madden as Robb, the character explodes on the screen in a way he doesn't in the books. Great performance.
Looks like the same armour. He's just not wearing the shoulders/arms part and he has on a different helmet. The reasons for the changes probably just boils down to him having on the other parts and a different helmet in season 1 because it was during the Joust.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Conan has tried to "explain" the situation several times, but he always ends tip-toeing around and saying that HBO wanted to take "a different direction", whatever that means.
I think he didn't get along well with the producers, because I cannot understand how a struggling actor would say no to such a tremendous opportunity.
SerArthurDayne
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Both guys are the same height, and both are in good shape. But the new Gregor is built significantly smaller, like 40-50 pounds leaner. Baskeball player build vs. (giant) body builder build. I don't understand why they took the arms/shoulders off the armor, as those would do a ton to give the illusion that he was bigger. I mean, they gave him a huge bushy beard to cover his narrow face/jaw.
I still like his look, though, and he seems to have a pretty good voice for an actor that rarely ever gets to say anything on screen, so I'll see how it plays out. I like the Lannister helmet on him, I think they look badass, especially with the enameled eye pieces. Completely impractical, but whatever.
WyndhamPrice
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It's not like the Mountain has to do anything other than look menacing and kill things.
Whoever plays The Mountain doesn't need to act.
Maybe, I guess. Must've been some severe friction on set.
I'm surprised they didn't pad him out more. Dude looked pretty big as a Predator.
ETA: The crazy thing is that Conan Stevens actively campaigned to the ASOIAF community to play Gregor since auditions began for the pilot 3 or 4 years ago. I can't imagine him not trying to make the schedules work.
ETA: The crazy thing is that Conan Stevens actively campaigned to the ASOIAF community to play Gregor since auditions began for the pilot 3 or 4 years ago. I can't imagine him not trying to make the schedules work.
British Monsoon
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I just think that, in a show that's already highly confusing in terms of the sheer number of characters in the story, it's silly to recast someone when the original actor is still available. None of my friends who watch the show but haven't read the books realised that was the Mountain in the latest episode - they all assumed he was another new character.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Ian Whyte is actually pretty ripped. The problem here is that he had to replace a gigantic bodybuilder (ie: a freak).
Lactose_Intolerant
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They just need to give him back his cool armor instead of the lannister armor
Jibbajabbawockky
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Yeah, you kind of figure that (COK)
with the seeming absence of Reek/Ramsay, the whole Winterfell/Theon storyline is going to play out differently than the book.
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