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Game of Thrones - Season 2 - George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire - Sundays on HBO

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jett

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yeah look at this freak, jeez. They just need to cover the new guy in armor. :p
 
I wonder what was HBO's reason for changing actors

I'm pretty certain he had a post on his blog about how the fight between him and the Hound in Season 1 was kinda butchered by editing. It seemed like he wanted more action scenes to do, which would fit wit the 'creative differences' stuff.
 

Wray

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Watched Ep4 on Thursday and rewatched it again last night. Once again, each new episode is better than the previous.

- I LOVED Roose Bolton. At first I was afraid the audience would confuse him and Stannis since the actors playing them look very similar. But after hearing Roose speak and seeing his body motion and overall demeanor, I have no such concerns anymore. Cannot wait for more Roose. He was perfect.

- Was disappointed we didn't get the three representatives from Qarth ride out to meet Dany like in the books. That was the first time I've been disappointed with book omissions/changes. Plus no Quaithe, where was she? We know she was cast. I liked the look and feel of Qarth and its characters though. It feels really different than the rest of the story.

- Harrenhall was awesome. I love love the dark gritty feel of those scenes. Arya continues to impress. The Tickler was awesome! New Mountain was just ok. I need to see more of him.
He better step his game up for his big scene in SoS.

- Loved the exchanges between Bronn and Ser Meryn. "We wouldn't want to get blood all over that pretty white cloak!"

I think they are setting up an awesome duel between Bronn and Meryn during Blackwater, in which Meryn is going to get offed in place of the cut Mandon Moore.

- I love the Dragonstone musical theme. I thought it was perfectly played during Stannis and Renly's negotiation scene and shadow baby scene.

- Shadow Baby was perfect. Couldn't be happier with the CG. They took a difficult scene to adapt and did it perfectly. I continue to <3 show Mel and Davos.


Also. Couldn't help but notice posts like these in the other thread.


WOW, this season is finally getting some action done.

damn that last thing at the end... some demonic child for sure.

Guessing that king of light guy is possesed by the lady of fire, acting all crazy towards his brother.

I have a feeling we will see her get killed and the king stanis will be good and help kill all those fucking lannisters.

Love reading predictions like these and how totally wrong they are!
 

vitaminwateryum

corporate swill
Well apparently he wasn't asked back by D&D/HBO before the scheduling conflict. They planned to replace him either way, so I don't think we'll see him back.

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I read Gregor vs the viper with Conan Stevens as the Mountain, it's going to be odd to see it otherwise.

Bummer. Hopefully they put him back in his S1 armor in later episodes. It really is weird seeing how thin he looks in comparison to Conan, without the giant pauldrons on.
 

J-Rod

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Late comer here just started watching and finished up yesterday. I guess I am prude, because I could do with a little less fuckin', but ya'll are right, it is so gud.
 

reggie

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Bought into the hype and watched all the episodes up to the most recent one, and despite me having low expectations I am somewhat enjoying it. I enjoy it more for the political intrigue than the more fantasy elements. I can see it getting more crazy with that, does it? Or does it still keep it relatively tame?
 

Famassu

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reading "naked" or "fat pink mast" is not the same thing as seeing as seeing it. hbo should cater to my personal situation of watching with very conservative parents who are in it only for the story :(
No they shouldn't. They are adults. If they can't handle nudity it's their problem. HBO should do no compromises just because of prude people.

Bought into the hype and watched all the episodes up to the most recent one, and despite me having low expectations I am somewhat enjoying it. I enjoy it more for the political intrigue than the more fantasy elements. I can see it getting more crazy with that, does it? Or does it still keep it relatively tame?
There's certainly more of it, yes, but it always stays as the kind of fantasy stuff that (almost) NEVER comes without a cost. And even as more fantasy stuff is added, even then the fantasy stuff is mostly just more tools for the political scheming to take advantage of, not some automatic WIN-button for one side (as in, one side getting wizards who shoot fireballs that kill thousands of people of the enemies' armies).
 

q_q

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No they shouldn't. They are adults. If they can't handle nudity it's their problem. HBO should do no compromises just because of prude people.

This is correct. If you don't like copious amounts of sex in your drama, you're prude, deal with it. There is no other possible rational explanation for why you don't like the sex. Deal with it!
 

KingK

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This is correct. If you don't like copious amounts of sex in your drama, you're prude, deal with it. There is no other possible rational explanation for why you don't like the sex. Deal with it!

I think most people in this thread don't personally have a problem with sex or nudity, but it can be awkward watching a borderline softcore porno with your mom.
 

KingK

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I wouldn't watch any HBO drama with my parents. Don't understand how anyone could.

She likes the show and I like the show so sometimes it's more convenient to watch it together since I live at home over the summer. It's not a huge deal, but it does produce some awkward moments lol.
 

StuBurns

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I've never had a problem watching adult scenes with my parents. I watched the episode with the hooker finger banging the other one to teach her how to look like she's enjoying sex with them actually. It was more embarrassing in that it's so gratuitous it brings the show down, and I recommended the show to them, but the sex itself never bothers me. Even as a kid I don't think it did.
 
I think most people in this thread don't personally have a problem with sex or nudity, but it can be awkward watching a borderline softcore porno with your mom.

Then don't watch it with mother dearest, that or its time to have a more honest relationship with her - one where a tit on TV won't make things awkward. Is this an American thing? Are there "international" GoT viewers who are scandalized by the show's nudity and sexual situations?
 

Speevy

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Nobody likes watching women perform oral sex on each other with their parents.

I really hope the above sentence used the appropriate syntax.
 

Massa

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Then don't watch it with mother dearest, that or its time to have a more honest relationship with her - one where a tit on TV won't make things awkward. Is this an American thing? Are there "international" GoT viewers who are scandalized by the show's nudity and sexual situations?

"is this an American thing" is about as old and annoying in this thread as "the show has too much sex". No it isn't an American thing, people from different cultures all over the world get bothered by sex, violance, or whatever else. A lot of people on GAF are bothered by cartoon poneys for example, "deal with it and move on" goes for everyone.
 

Talon

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Then don't watch it with mother dearest, that or its time to have a more honest relationship with her - one where a tit on TV won't make things awkward. Is this an American thing? Are there "international" GoT viewers who are scandalized by the show's nudity and sexual situations?
It's not just nudity.

I'm pretty sure watching two chicks fingerbang is universally awkward.
 

Speevy

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If the amount of nudity and sex featured in Game of Thrones is true to the vision of its source material, I don't see a problem with it.

If it doesn't help us understand any of the show's characters, then it's excessive.

An example of an appropriate use of sex is Rome's sex scene between older Octavian and Livia. Livia slaps Octavian so he can finish the act.

Very few people would have asked for this scene, but it did show the odd relationship between these two characters, and also the quirks he had developed through growing up in this bizarre family.
 
If the amount of nudity and sex featured in Game of Thrones is true to the vision of its source material, I don't see a problem with it.

If it doesn't help us understand any of the show's characters, then it's excessive.

An example of an appropriate use of sex is Rome's sex scene between older Octavian and Livia. Livia slaps Octavian so he can finish the act.

Very few people would have asked for this scene, but it did show the odd relationship between these two characters, and also the quirks he had developed through growing up in this bizarre family.
It has been awhile since I've read through the books, but I don't recall that much sex outside of Dany's stuff up to this point in the story. There is certainly way more in the show
 

RDreamer

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Are you guys seriously going to circle back this this same conversation every other page?

Are we still going to be discussing the merits of the sex in the show almost exclusively based on the finger bang episode in season 1 even when we hit season 5, or will we have moved on by then?
 

Fry

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I only watch this show when I'm sure I'll be completely alone in my room for at least an hour. No way I'd watch with my sisters around.

In the first episode of season two... there was only one sex scene, but it started out of nowhere with the girl screaming. Fucking amazing, I had to turn down the volume as fast as the wind.
 

KingK

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Then don't watch it with mother dearest, that or its time to have a more honest relationship with her - one where a tit on TV won't make things awkward. Is this an American thing? Are there "international" GoT viewers who are scandalized by the show's nudity and sexual situations?

First of all, I live at home during the summer because I'm in college, and my mom likes the show as well, so naturally we would both watch it at the same time. Also, it's really not the random tits that make anything awkward, it's 7 minutes of finger fucking.

If you could watch through a 7 minute scene of two naked women fucking each other and making horribly fake orgasm noises with your mother and not feel that it was awkward, then bravo, but you're in the minority.

Also, I've said over and over again that I don't have a problem with sex in the show. Some of the scenes, mainly any scene involving Ros, are just bad scenes in general and seem pointless, but a lot of others are necessary and well done. I don't want them to remove nudity from the show. I'm saying that maybe, just maybe, it's understandable how some people would find the abundance of sex and nudity in the show awkward or unnerving under certain circumstances, and it gets tiring when people just try to dismiss any negative comment about a sex scene with some condescending remark such as, "quit being such a prudish American."
 

PantherLotus

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I just think that, in a show that's already highly confusing in terms of the sheer number of characters in the story, it's silly to recast someone when the original actor is still available. None of my friends who watch the show but haven't read the books realised that was the Mountain in the latest episode - they all assumed he was another new character.

I see this opinion a lot, and though I respect it, it's ONLY EVER PEOPLE THAT READ THE BOOKS mentioning this! Literally nobody would ever notice this, and the mountain that rides is a small enough character (lol) that they could change him every episode and it would only matter in passing.

I mean, I get that it's upsetting for continuity and because he looks lesser than the first. But seriously, the "it's so confusing already" argument seems so silly when side characters like this are mentioned/featured maybe once in an entire season.

Edit: Seriously, were any of them asking, "hey, we haven't heard from Gregor Clegane this season, did I miss him?" I don't believe that for a second.
 

PantherLotus

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Oh, I watch the show by myself as well. Not because of the sex or violence or that my wife wouldn't like it (she wouldn't), but because I don't want to share it. I want to drink it in like I read the books, with no comments or questions or distracting opinions, guffaws, or anything.
 
You guys hear about the budgeting constraints that prevented the director to do the scene they had planned? It's in regards to Season 1 where Tyrion Lannister was knocked off the base camp whilst his fathers army were preparing for a battle. The scene they had planned sounded excellent, a shame really
 
I see this opinion a lot, and though I respect it, it's ONLY EVER PEOPLE THAT READ THE BOOKS mentioning this! Literally nobody would ever notice this, and the mountain that rides is a small enough character (lol) that they could change him every episode and it would only matter in passing.

I mean, I get that it's upsetting for continuity and because he looks lesser than the first. But seriously, the "it's so confusing already" argument seems so silly when side characters like this are mentioned/featured maybe once in an entire season.

Edit: Seriously, were any of them asking, "hey, we haven't heard from Gregor Clegane this season, did I miss him?" I don't believe that for a second.

Yeah obviously us book readers have a keener eye for minor characters in the show than people that haven't read the books.

As for watching with parents, I return to my parents place for a few weeks ever summer, and last summer I showed the show to my parents. My mother dropped out after the first episode (she did cite the pervasive nudity as one of the reasons), but my father loved the show and we watched all the episodes (will be doing the same this summer). We did have one brief discussion about the amount of nudity and sex (I believe after the episode with the finger bang session with Littlefinger), and he concluded that it was a part of the universe that these characters lived it, and thought it was relatively fitting in the show's context (sex/nudity overall, not just that specific scene).

You guys hear about the budgeting constraints that prevented the director to do the scene they had planned? It's in regards to Season 1 where Tyrion Lannister was knocked off the base camp whilst his fathers army were preparing for a battle. The scene they had planned sounded excellent, a shame really

I thought I remembered reading that the small Stark feint force vs. Tywin's/Tyrion's forces was planned on being shot, but they ran out of time on their shooting schedule and it was a scene that they could cut without much harm to the show.
 

GorillaJu

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First of all, I live at home during the summer because I'm in college, and my mom likes the show as well, so naturally we would both watch it at the same time. Also, it's really not the random tits that make anything awkward, it's 7 minutes of finger fucking.

If you could watch through a 7 minute scene of two naked women fucking each other and making horribly fake orgasm noises with your mother and not feel that it was awkward, then bravo, but you're in the minority.

Also, I've said over and over again that I don't have a problem with sex in the show. Some of the scenes, mainly any scene involving Ros, are just bad scenes in general and seem pointless, but a lot of others are necessary and well done. I don't want them to remove nudity from the show. I'm saying that maybe, just maybe, it's understandable how some people would find the abundance of sex and nudity in the show awkward or unnerving under certain circumstances, and it gets tiring when people just try to dismiss any negative comment about a sex scene with some condescending remark such as, "quit being such a prudish American."

For what it's worth I agree with you.

It's not related to disliking sex or nudity as a general rule, just that the scenes in GOT often feel cheap and out of place. Doesn't kill it for me, but I do think the show would benefit from a little more discretion.
 
Are you guys seriously going to circle back this this same conversation every other page?

Are we still going to be discussing the merits of the sex in the show almost exclusively based on the finger bang episode in season 1 even when we hit season 5, or will we have moved on by then?

I agree 100% There may be a few scenes that could have been handled differently but it's such a non issue in the grand scheme of things. It's just sex, and while some scenes may be gratuitous the same criticism can be made of the violence in the show but people are hardly jumping up and down about it.

Is it entirely necessary to show blood gushing from a neck wound for 10 seconds to show that a character had died? Is it necessary to see children killed when it could have been implied in conversation? You can make the 'unnecessary' argument about anything.

I don't want them to remove nudity from the show. I'm saying that maybe, just maybe, it's understandable how some people would find the abundance of sex and nudity in the show awkward or unnerving under certain circumstances, and it gets tiring when people just try to dismiss any negative comment about a sex scene with some condescending remark such as, "quit being such a prudish American."

It may well be that some scenes are awkward to watch under certain circumstances, but at no point should that inform how the show is written. It's an adult rated program, and I still find it hard to fathom that the sex scenes are generating this much discussion.
 
It may well be that some scenes are awkward to watch under certain circumstances, but at no point should that inform how the show is written. It's an adult rated program, and I still find it hard to fathom that the sex scenes are generating this much discussion.

I feel the same. It is a mature show that is based on a mature series of book - a series that has no issue with infanticide, incest, or
pink masts
. If the sex scenes betray the spirit of the show, don't reveal anything to the audience about the characters and the world they inhabit, or are not agreed upon by GRRM, then it be cut out - especially with GRRM's hands-on position on the show. There is an argument to be made about the show's use of sex, but couching it in 'its awkward' is not necessarily an argument fit to print in Cahiers du Cinéma. I am not condemning 7 minutes of a show that has aired 14 hours of content because of two women having sex, which may or may not have made me feel tingly in my no-no's whilst in the company of family, but because it was lazy expositional writing.

The show is mature, as is the source material. Sex and nudity are a part of both. No need to bring out the Hays Code. Close yours eyes and plug your ears if you insist, but this is a world that GRRM wants to tell.
 

shira

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Are you guys seriously going to circle back this this same conversation every other page?

Are we still going to be discussing the merits of the sex in the show almost exclusively based on the finger bang episode in season 1 even when we hit season 5, or will we have moved on by then?
Yeah cornballer should set some posting guidelines.
 
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