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Game of Thrones - Season 2 - George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire - Sundays on HBO

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apana

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For the most part, they are. At least according to Benioff & Weiss (Executive producers & head writers).

Changes have been minimal at best. The major plot points will remain intact.

Not exactly true [series spoilers]
the plots will diverge more from the books starting from this season. Meera and Jojen, as well as Reek aren't cast. The burning of Winterfell will probably be in season 3 while Jaime's escape will be moved up to season 2. Not to mention the new scenes they will be adding. Yes the plot will be mostly the same but stuff will be moved around, it is not the same as the books.
 
It'll never be the same as the books. Season 01 is proof of that.

But going off what the producers/writers have been going at during interviews each season will cover one book, for the most part. As TV is a different medium, they're taking the liberty to change a few things to help their vision of Martin's work feel more cohesive.
 

apana

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I think I read in one of the interviews a few weeks back that Dinklage and HBO decided on Supporting Actor again for season 2, which I think is a bit of a shame because it reduces the chance of getting another supporting actor nom for the show.

If the end result is Dinklage winning another Emmy I can't blame them. Oh well I just hope they nominate Maise Williams (Arya) for best supporting actress and there are no politics involved.
 
It'll never be the same as the books. Season 01 is proof of that.

But going off what the producers/writers have been going at during interviews each season will cover one book, for the most part. As TV is a different medium, they're taking the liberty to change a few things to help their vision of Martin's work feel more cohesive.

After this season that wouldn't work at all though.

A Storm of Swords will be 2-ish seasons, and most of the events of Feast and Dance happen at the same time.

Game of Thrones is a great series title.

If the end result is Dinklage winning another Emmy I can't blame them. Oh well I just hope they nominate Maise Williams (Arya) for best supporting actress and there are no politics involved.

I assume that was probably the reasoning behind the move. He's got a better chance of winning in the supporting category.
 

Pkaz01

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Arya is probably too small of a role for it to matter.

i disagree, maybe in the grand scheme of things she did little to effect the plot but if they do justice to her story in clash and she performs like she did in season 1 they would be stupid not to include her this time. Not saying she will get nominated but she should at least get a shot at it.

arya in ACOk
Her arc in season 2 is going to be amazing to watch if they don't take any shortcuts, which i don't they will be considering they hired almost all of the characters involved. I think show Arya is going to come off a little different than book arya since some of the creepy shit she says in her head she will have to say out loud. Should be a very interesting character. And she has the second most chapters in the book, with imo the most interesting arc as far as story and character development goes. This is when we see she is losing it.

edit - more on arya in clash
her only competition as far as female characters go is going to be Dany and Cersei. However, I do think Cersei takes a backseat to tyrion in a lot of her scenes and working with peter is either going to make her better or seem worse. Dany and Arya though pretty much lead their arcs, since Dany in Clash isn't as amazing as in GOT (imo her arc doesnt grow much after the first book). Arya has a real chance to shine and going by the fan favorites of the book clash is when a lot of people started to put arya up with their favorites
 
I've been saying it since the show was greenlit, but I'll say it again: if Arya's S2 arc is handled as best it can, it'll be one of the most compelling and best stories on television. Williams is already an impressive actress, there's no doubt she can handle the material.

Emmys seem to be heavily based on seniority so I doubt she'd get recognition. Perhaps more importantly it could signal she has a long, impressive career ahead of her
 

squidyj

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If the end result is Dinklage winning another Emmy I can't blame them. Oh well I just hope they nominate Maise Williams (Arya) for best supporting actress and there are no politics involved.

I don't know man. He seems like more of a problem dog than a real contender to win.
 
Snap reactions based on just the photos in OP:

Ygritte (and to a lesser extent Brienne) too attractive.
Melisandre and Margery Tyrell not nearly attractive enough.
 
Excellent clips from the first two episodes. I love the Cersei and Tyrion interaction. So perfect. I'm also very glad they will be following Robb's campaign in the Westerlands. I always felt GRRM cheated us out of some nice battles and storytelling by not giving Robb a few point of view chapters. We only read about his actions through Catelyn's chapters.
Snap reactions based on just the photos in OP:

Ygritte (and to a lesser extent Brienne) too attractive.
Melisandre and Margery Tyrell not nearly attractive enough.
Oh no, not this again.
 

JerkShep

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vague Season 2/ ACOK ending spoiler
am I the only one thinking that they won't go the full way with Tyrion after the battle? I imagine a pretty big scar, but nothing more. And I'm actually fine with it
 
vague Season 2/ ACOK ending spoiler
am I the only one thinking that they won't go the full way with Tyrion after the battle? I imagine a pretty big scar, but nothing more. And I'm actually fine with it
Dinklage is not getting half of his nose cut off that's for sure. I doubt they give him anything that requires a lot of makeup.
 
- Sepinwall Review: HBO's 'Game of Thrones' is bigger and better in season 2
The show feels more confident in many other ways. It's smoother in transitioning from character to character, city to city, even as it has to do it more quickly than ever before. It's even more willing to use humor to keep the fantasy elements from seeming ponderous, while being bolder in its depiction of the magical side of things.

- Sci Fi Now: Game Of Thrones Season 2 director Alan Taylor interview exclusive
- TV Equals: Kristian Nairn ("Hodor") Video Interview (youtube)
- LA Times: ‘Game of Thrones’ queen: Lena Headey lights it up in dark role
 
Jesus, Kristian Nairn is HUGE.
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A couple more reviews:
- NY Times: Uneasy Lies the Head That Steals a Crown
The new season of this dense medieval fantasy set in a land called Westeros serves up a whole bunch of wartime posturing, a seemingly endless number of would-be rulers and the usual sex and (sometimes in the same scene) violence. But it sure doesn’t give viewers much to latch onto.
- NY Daily News: Complex and rich ‘Game of Thrones’ returns with death, war, power and an annoying teenager
A week lasts 168 hours. An episode of “Game of Thrones” lasts one hour. That leaves viewers 167 hours each week to figure out what happened. Which is just about how many hours it takes to fully absorb this complex, beautifully produced, splendidly acted and often challenging fantasy epic, set in the mystical kingdom of Westeros. 4 out of 5 stars


Articles and interviews:
- Buffalo News: War looms in HBO's 'Game of Thrones'
- Calgary Herald: The Stark Family carries on their fight in Season 2 of Game of Thrones
- Rolling Stone: 'Game of Thrones': Season Two Cheat Sheet
 

gutshot

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The NY Times is so out-of-touch. Really, NY Times? The show isn't going to appeal to anyone outside of Dungeons & Dragons nerds? Tell that to HBO's execs, who are currently swimming in money earned off of this show.
 
Sepinwall said:
the show becomes even more brazen in its use of what TV academic/blogger Myles McNutt dubbed "sexposition," where characters only reveal their innermost secrets while cavorting with naked prostitutes

Ugh. Was kind of hoping they'd listen to fans and critics on that one.

Can't remember where I read it but in some publication somebody was talking about how GOT was pretty much an excuse for boob-filled nerd porn wrapped up in a big story and such, and it's frustrating because I can understand how someone who hasn't read the books would see that.
 
A little bit off-topic:

Anyone else annoyed at how difficult HBO makes it to watch their shows legally? I'm guessing they will not do what AMC is doing with Mad Men and put episodes on iTunes after they air. And then they'll wait a year and release the season for $50 probably. Which its a shame because I really want to give them my money. (And no I'm not buying a cable subscription)

It just irks me that despite the brilliant people that make up HBO they're so incredibly backwards when it comes to this stuff.
 
If they made it easy in that way they'd majorly damage their relationship with TV providers, which is their main focus. Sucks, but that's just how it's going to be for the foreseeable future.
 
A little bit off-topic:

Anyone else annoyed at how difficult HBO makes it to watch their shows legally? I'm guessing they will not do what AMC is doing with Mad Men and put episodes on iTunes after they air. And then they'll wait a year and release the season for $50 probably. Which its a shame because I really want to give them my money. (And no I'm not buying a cable subscription)

It just irks me that despite the brilliant people that make up HBO they're so incredibly backwards when it comes to this stuff.

They are a premium subscription channel, they don't have the same business model as AMC and they aren't going to deincentivize subscriptions by selling their shows like that.
 

Zabka

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A little bit off-topic:

Anyone else annoyed at how difficult HBO makes it to watch their shows legally? I'm guessing they will not do what AMC is doing with Mad Men and put episodes on iTunes after they air. And then they'll wait a year and release the season for $50 probably. Which its a shame because I really want to give them my money. (And no I'm not buying a cable subscription)

It just irks me that despite the brilliant people that make up HBO they're so incredibly backwards when it comes to this stuff.

Make friends with a person with an HBO Go subscription.
 
A little bit off-topic:

Anyone else annoyed at how difficult HBO makes it to watch their shows legally? I'm guessing they will not do what AMC is doing with Mad Men and put episodes on iTunes after they air. And then they'll wait a year and release the season for $50 probably. Which its a shame because I really want to give them my money. (And no I'm not buying a cable subscription)

It just irks me that despite the brilliant people that make up HBO they're so incredibly backwards when it comes to this stuff.

It's not difficult to watch their shows. You just have to pay for it like everyone else.

The blu-ray for the first season was $35 ($44 now) when it came out. $35 is a fucking good deal for 10 hours.

The episodes can now be purchased on amazon streaming (maybe itunes too i'm not sure) for $2.99 each.
 
A little bit off-topic:

Anyone else annoyed at how difficult HBO makes it to watch their shows legally? I'm guessing they will not do what AMC is doing with Mad Men and put episodes on iTunes after they air. And then they'll wait a year and release the season for $50 probably. Which its a shame because I really want to give them my money. (And no I'm not buying a cable subscription)

It just irks me that despite the brilliant people that make up HBO they're so incredibly backwards when it comes to this stuff.

For those of us who are attempting to live normal lives, forgoe cable subscriptions and still watch our favourite shows, there aren't many options to stay legal. The blu-ray is such a good deal but season 2 won't be on blu for at least a year.

My parents live across teh country but they have cable, so I pay to cover their HBO subscription and I use HBO Go. Do you have anything like that you can do?
 
They are a premium subscription channel, they don't have the same business model as AMC and they aren't going to deincentivize subscriptions by selling their shows like that.
Yeah I mean it makes sense. I just want cable to die already.

It's not difficult to watch their shows. You just have to pay for it like everyone else.

The blu-ray for the first season was $35 ($44 now) when it came out. $35 is a fucking good deal for 10 hours.

The episodes can now be purchased on amazon streaming (maybe itunes too i'm not sure) for $2.99 each.
Well of course I can buy them, but I don't want to wait several months. I want to buy it preferably after it airs. I realize "it's nice to want things" and all that, but surely the number of people like me who don't have or want/need cable but do want to watch a TV show as it airs is growing (I would assume so at least).

Also if you think about the piracy problem as mainly a convenience problem (which I personally do) then the longer you make people wait to see your content legally, the more difficult it is for them to not turn to piracy.
 
My parents live across teh country but they have cable, so I pay to cover their HBO subscription and I use HBO Go. Do you have anything like that you can do?

My mom has cable+HBO so I have set up a deal with her to go over there on Monday evenings to watch her DVR'd episodes. It sucks, but it's better than me paying like $90/month or whatever the combined total would be to watch HBO.
 

t-ramp

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My mom has cable+HBO so I have set up a deal with her to go over there on Monday evenings to watch her DVR'd episodes. It sucks, but it's better than me paying like $90/month or whatever the combined total would be to watch HBO.
Can't anyone with HBO watch their shows online via HBO GO?
 
Much like the review of Game of Thrones last season, the NY Times has once again proven to be out of touch, ignorant of how television works, and bigoted as they were before. Heck, that review displays a profound inability to decipher the obvious subtext behind Ned's death. It displays a basic inability to follow the plot of the show by describing Tyrion's role in Book 1 as "relatively minor," despite the fact that his character even had some episodes revolve around him (the Eyrie). It aims to criticize the show by saying that it should reduce itself to simple-minded protagonist-antagonist logic, which in itself, is something that only a lesser show would do.

They gush over stuff like Downton Abbey, but I could minimize that series just like they minimize Game of Thrones by stating that the only people who would find that show interesting are housewives moaning over the loss of their daytime soaps.

The best part of the review is that comments are disabled for that review, because they clearly know they are going to be panned for their opinion and they can't handle it.
 
God dammit why did I not think of this? I even quoted the dude who said he used his parents HBO GO account but didn't realize I could do it until just now. Gah

Yep, I was about to respond and be like "wtf??" lol. :p

HBO Go is awesome, especially if you have a 360. Just use that.

New episodes are posted on Go immediately after they finish airing on HBO. It's precisely the kind of thing where legit customers benefit over pirates. No waiting for torrents to get uploaded and wait for enough seeds or any of that junk.
 
Yep, I was about to respond and be like "wtf??" lol. :p

HBO Go is awesome, especially if you have a 360. Just use that.

New episodes are posted on Go immediately after they finish airing on HBO. It's precisely the kind of thing where legit customers benefit over pirates. No waiting for torrents to get uploaded and wait for enough seeds or any of that junk.

So awesome. I just need to have my mom sign up for the service and then I tie my Xbox to her account, right?
 
- Salon.com: Bloody, bloody “Game of Thrones”
The cornerstone of “Games’” success is its fidelity to R.R. Martin’s big genre advancement: to write magical fantasy like a realist. “Games” is a fantasy only insofar as it’s not taking place somewhere real. Nothing that happens there is a dream. It contains all the necessary, hugely entertaining genre staples— swords and armor, jousts and magic, kings and queens — but also the emotional and physical realism, the blood and guts, the twisted and tragic motivations that characterize TV’s other best shows.
 

Zia

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I've avoided this thread as I don't read genre fiction (outside of Philip K Dick and the occasional Chabon adventure story) and am making my way through season one via Netflix now, but Game of Thrones is the best series on television right now. It's incredible.

In defense of the Times as a collective, for whatever reason they assigned Neil Genzlinger to review this season, which is totally befuddling. The guy seems to be their trash TV critic, and I can't imagine someone that enjoys devouring reality television being in love with something this dense. Wonder what he thinks of The Wire? Oy.

I was hoping they'd assign Gina Bellafante to it again. Nancy DeWolf Smith, who penned a really stupid, factually innacurate and sexist (I am a woman, and I enjoy high fantsy; astonishing, right?) review for The Wall Street Journal season one, definitely came around.
 
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