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Really? Why would they bother showing any of that from afar? I don't think you can take that to imply none of that will exist later. I think we should be glad we got such a massive army shot in the first place.
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Really? Why would they bother showing any of that from afar? I don't think you can take that to imply none of that will exist later. I think we should be glad we got such a massive army shot in the first place.
velvet_nitemare
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They should have gone with CG Direwolves. The direwolves were just there for decoration all season, at least the Dragons ended up tearing shit up at the end.
This is why we all hate that they changed Others to White Walkers. Too many people get confused with the two. It's a lot easier to tell the difference between Others and Wights than it is to tell the difference between White Walkers and Wights because most think they say Whites when they're saying Wights.
bodyofanamerican
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Well, remember the offer Roose promised Robb he'd send? "Give us Theon and you can go home". Looks like that's what they did.
BlueTsunami
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Didn't Qhorin say that he wanted Jon to join them in the last episode they were in and then very loudly get pissed off at Jon?
If Varys sends Ros to Dany fuck this show and whatever family friend/boyfriend/relative she has in HBO that has gotten her this far.
Also show version of ghost is fucking worthless. Seriously they might as well not even had the direwolves if they are going to use them this little.
Honestly at this point I hope the show gets canned sooner than later because the vast majority of season 2 outside of Blackwater was complete garbage as a show even if you don't think of the books.
Also show version of ghost is fucking worthless. Seriously they might as well not even had the direwolves if they are going to use them this little.
Honestly at this point I hope the show gets canned sooner than later because the vast majority of season 2 outside of Blackwater was complete garbage as a show even if you don't think of the books.
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Emerson
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They must have changed the name from Others due to LOST, right?
Got to get ready for the march south.
You just figured out Ros's purpose for next season!
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! God I hope this happens. That'd be hilarious.
It really makes no sense why they pussyfied her material either. One, they already had her kill someone in the show. Two, it would have made way better tv to see her have to endure the trauma at Harrenhal. Now instead they humanized Tywin (why!? I liked those scenes between them, but again, this was in exchange for something that would have been even better, that is to say... the trials and tribulations Arya had to face), and Arya was sitting there in the comparable lap of luxury and of course waited too long to kill Tywin, which again made no sense. Just no sense to be had with the changes the showrunners make. If it's in the name of better tv, I'm all for it - I don't need a literal adaptation - but virtually every change makes the plot nonsensical, and makes the tv show worse.
Emerson said:
It's not that they would 'bother' - it's that if they were in the show at all, they would have been there. No way they could have hid giants in that encampment, let alone mammoths. They're simply not in the show, period. Budget.
Thanks for the kick in the dick!
Jibbajabbawockky
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Maybe it was speculation I was reading, but I thought I remembered reading that {ASOS}
for the giants, they were going to do something similar to how they did the direwolves this year- put some makeup on a person and film them in front of a green screen and scale them up.
They have to have the more crazy fantastical stuff like the shadowcats and mammoths and eagles and chariots of bones. At least the giants riding the mammoths- seeing all that crazy shit is sort of Jon's "I'm not in Kansas anymore" moment
They have to have the more crazy fantastical stuff like the shadowcats and mammoths and eagles and chariots of bones. At least the giants riding the mammoths- seeing all that crazy shit is sort of Jon's "I'm not in Kansas anymore" moment
But White Walkers aren't supposed to be zombies at all. They're like Ice People.
Its funny how the show changed the Others to "White Walkers' to avoid confusion with Lost, but now its getting people confused with the Wights and White Walkers. Its an important difference though.
PhoenixDark
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Oh my God((
I don't think the show runners will go that far
No worries.
ASOS/AFFC spoiler:
I'm 100% sure she'll be going to the Eyrie with LF and Sansa
Yes but that doesn't mean it wasn't stupid.
Why are the writers making the Starks even dumber on the show than they are in the books? First, we had Cat release Jaime without the excuse that she was hysterical after being told Bran and Rickon were dead. Many book readers didn't like Cat freeing Jaime as it was, but they somehow managed to make it even worse. Now we get Robb and Jeyne/Talisa/whatever's marriage. In the book, Jeyne is pregnant and Robb doesn't want his child to have the kind of life Jon Snow had, so his sense of honor compels him to break his vow to Walder Frey and marry the girl. On the show, Robb is just a horny teenager. How are viewers expected to root for these chumps anymore?
Good finale, liked how they ended it with Sam. House of the Undying was super-lame but completely understandable why they did that. I would have liked more jon and ygritte in the finale.
It was a lot to stuff into the finale and they haven't even addressed Cat and Robb knowing about Bran and Ricken.
If anything I am super glad that the next book is split in half. Hopefully it isn't as mangled as this season.
It was a lot to stuff into the finale and they haven't even addressed Cat and Robb knowing about Bran and Ricken.
If anything I am super glad that the next book is split in half. Hopefully it isn't as mangled as this season.
StriKeVillain
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Yup, ASOS
looks like the Iron Born gave Theon to Ramsay in pardon for their way back home. Ramsay then razed Winterfell and took Theon.
They'll probably cover it early in Season 3.
[ASoS]Oh my God
I don't think the show runners will go that far
Who else is supposed to pleasure Dany?
Futurevoid
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Yes. I never read the books and I completely understood that Jon is meant to be a double agent thanks to Qhorin's dialogue last week. There's almost zero ambiguity about it as far as I'm concerned...
velvet_nitemare
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Show cuts, son. Remember Bolton told Robb that his bastard could raise men to retake winterfell, that's what happened they just did it offscreen.
Roose's bastard also burned winterfell, his reasons will be revealed...
Outdoor Miner
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Good not great episode. House of Undying was a tad underwhelming, no RW glimpse, but the Drogo/Dany scene was a very good one that was the episodes emotional high.
My god they have fucking WRECKED the Jon storyline. How hard would it have been to have the wildlings settle camp and have Jon/Qhorin have a 1-minute hushed discussion like
Qhorin: You're going to have to kill me
Jon: Wuh huh how why?
Q: Its the only way you are going to convince them to spare you
Jon: I can't I won't blah blah blah
Q: You MUST. Eat with them, sleep with them, laugh with them, learn all you can...
Instead we get Jon killing Q of his own volition, all because he said bad words about Mommy and Daddy? smh
My god they have fucking WRECKED the Jon storyline. How hard would it have been to have the wildlings settle camp and have Jon/Qhorin have a 1-minute hushed discussion like
Qhorin: You're going to have to kill me
Jon: Wuh huh how why?
Q: Its the only way you are going to convince them to spare you
Jon: I can't I won't blah blah blah
Q: You MUST. Eat with them, sleep with them, laugh with them, learn all you can...
Instead we get Jon killing Q of his own volition, all because he said bad words about Mommy and Daddy? smh
VanillaPMP
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White Walker: The dudes with blue eyes who create wights.
Wights: Zombies created by white walkers
Others: Refers to white walkers and their minions as a whole.
You would think, but I've had my suspicions for a while that they're simply going to ignore most of that stuff since it seems so far to be completely besides the point to the primary plots.
Sure it makes sense as a character building exercise, but the exercise would be too expensive for the tv show. I was hoping they'd at least keep the giants, and I suspect maybe we'll get one or two of them next season, but i bet all the other fantasy creatures are out
Emerson
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It was definitely messily done, but it's not the case that Jon actually murdered Qhorin for no reason. It was to infiltrate the wildlings. They just didn't do a great job of showing it.
I hope so man...
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velvet_nitemare
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If you are the type of person who can't separate the two mediums in these situations, I don't know why you wouldn't have waited to read the books. Kinda did yourself a disservice there.
HOTU, meh. A minor disappointment. I didn't expect prophecy, but they didn't even include the undying. It wasn't as terrible as I expected. Dragons looked good, and we finally saw all three.
Jon's storyline was so dumb. At least Ygritte seems about right.
Arya had a nice end, and actually acted like Arya for a second, wanting to learn to kill as effectively as Jaqen.
They skip the burning of Winterfell, which is better than doing it without
, I guess.
Loved that the cold came with the Others. Wished they were riding dead elk. I always imagined the Others as being very beautiful, but I can live with the desiccated version of the show.
Season One was so much better.
Jon's storyline was so dumb. At least Ygritte seems about right.
Arya had a nice end, and actually acted like Arya for a second, wanting to learn to kill as effectively as Jaqen.
They skip the burning of Winterfell, which is better than doing it without
Ramsay
Loved that the cold came with the Others. Wished they were riding dead elk. I always imagined the Others as being very beautiful, but I can live with the desiccated version of the show.
Season One was so much better.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Yeah, Harrenhal was a complete waste. Arya's storyline was my favorite in the book so it was a bit harder for me to watch it being butchered than it was Jon's story, even though Jon's storyline received far more damage. I liked Arya and Tywin but it came at the expensen of stuff that would have made for better TV.
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Cold hands appears, at first, to be a ranger riding an elk. He's really well bundled up and it's only after a while that they notice he's not breathing. So Cold Hands is some sort of wight, just one not bound to the will of the Others.
While the Jon storyline was changed, I don't think it was that big of a deal. I mentioned it to the friends I just watched the finale with, all non-book readers. One of them replied:
"It was completely understandable. They set it all up with that earlier scene that you would have to be a fucking idiot to not pick up on."
And you know what, between that and the "We are the watchers on the wall" line, you get exactly what Qhorin is asking Jon to do. We didn't see him fight alongside Qhorin really, but oh well. Everyone I saw it with completely understood that Qhorin was entrusting Jon to join the wildlings and act on the inside.
"It was completely understandable. They set it all up with that earlier scene that you would have to be a fucking idiot to not pick up on."
And you know what, between that and the "We are the watchers on the wall" line, you get exactly what Qhorin is asking Jon to do. We didn't see him fight alongside Qhorin really, but oh well. Everyone I saw it with completely understood that Qhorin was entrusting Jon to join the wildlings and act on the inside.
I think that was the point.
Outdoor Miner
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Oh and being locked in a vault half-naked with Doreah? Probably one of the best ways to go IMO.
velvet_nitemare
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No, Others=Whitewalkers.
BenjaminBirdie
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Didn't he say two episodes ago that a Night Watch could learn a lot by infiltrating the Wildlings or did I imagine that?
theignoramus
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yeah, this man had infant children murdered. I know they have him sending off the Mountain to burn some fields and raze some villages, but do non readers really have an understanding of the shit this man did to make his daughter Queen?
I like Charles Glass' acting, I didnt care for this whole grandfatherly nature they've introduced to his character, this man is stone cold Machiavellian.
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I think we'll get a few giants, but no mammoths. Giants should be relatively easy to pull off with tall actors, prosthetics, and camera trickery. CGI Mammoths would be a waste of budget. I would rather they cut them and use the money for more direwolves, dragons, and
White Walkers.
White Walkers.
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un33dab@dpu$$y
Can't she do both!
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The point of what? The post I replied to definitely seemed to be implying that Jon actually just killed Qhorin due to what he was saying.
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