RedVIper
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Not what I've said.
In the books perhaps, but not in the show. When the season begins they show you how many troops etc are camping outside. Winterfell is first and foremost a castle, not a medieval City with walls. The idea that they could cram everyone and the horses in there, is a non-starter.
Again not what I said.
OK, then feel free to write out a detailed outline as to how you'd have structured the episode and the tactics, but still ended up with the same beats taking place. Do a good job and I'll gift you a months Gold membership.
Please, he 99% of his posts are just endlessly arguing in the Politics subforum with the usual suspects in a circle jerk. A subforum that was created so the rest of us don't have to put up with Gaming or OT being subjected to endless Reee threads. If an autoduelist falls down in a forest and nobody (Important) is in earshot does anyone in Gaming or OT care?
Please, beyond the initial breach the Dragon mainly took out the supply wagons and the archers. The Dothraki were getting over the shield wall regardless. Certainly, the Dragon helped out, but to lay the victory purely at its feet rather than the Dothrakis prowess for kicking ass is just plain wrong.
Sure they had a plan, and so did the Night King, and but for Arya Stark, his would have prevailed.
It's exactly what you've said. "The episode had to go like this to have these narrative beats", I disagree.
It should still be able to fit atleast a few thousand men inside, they didn't even man the walls. Seriously the entire battle could have used some archers, the wights don't have shields arrows would obliterate them.
Yes instead you have a bunch of people reeing about console wars in gaming, either way that doesn't mean you can dismiss someone because "they dont have an avatar", it's just dumb reasoning.
The lannisters were severely outnumbered, had just gotten back from another fight, and were completely scattered, they had to try and organize themselves as the dothraki were charging, if you think that was an organized defense idk what to tell you. That's the whole point, that's why dany attacked, so she could catch them off guard.
My point is that they had a shit plan, not that it didn't work, again I wanted them have a good plan and still lose, this would raise the stakes, the bad guy succeeds because of overwhelming strength, not because our protagonists are incompetent.
Assuming I keep about the same characters alive and end up the story similarly here is my rough outline:
-Start off with better fortifications, maybe have them discuss it in the previous episode. You have a huge trench built to the sides of the castle, you want to funnel the wights to the middle so you can create a sort of a deathbox. (And it's easier to film if the attack only comes from one side, at least now there's a reason why the castle isn't totally surrounded.)
-You have bonfires around the battlefield so the soldiers can see wtf is going on (Also so the viewer can see whats going on)
-You have scouts so you know when they're approaching, you can use the dragons, the dothraki, or the bran9000 to do this.
-The dothraki are held off to the side for now, you can still have the whole melissandre lighting their sword and stuff for the visual.
-The unsullied are the ones on the frontline, they're the better trained and better equipped, it makes sense, meanwhile the notherners/wildlings sit back and man the walls with bows and manning the catapults.
-Danny and Jon stay up there.
-Bran9000, jon or a dothraki scout to warn them they're coming.
-You hear the initial charge, kinda like you did with the dothraki in s7
-As the wights charge grey worm orders to raise a trap similar to the one he used in the episode, this stops the initial momentum of the charge.
-The dothraki charge from the side, managing to flank them, you get a similar overview shot of the flames disappearing as they get overwhelmed. Jorah dies here. Giving actual tension to the battle.
-Danny seeing this takes off on her dragon on to the battlefield and Jon follows her.
-Eventually the wights do make it trough facing off against the unsullied. (Grey worm is also not in the frontlines, he's supposed to be their leader makes no sense to be at the front, actually all the generals are off to the back, this prevents the miraculous plot armor that plagued the entire episode)
-All the while you have a rain of arrows, (despite fire arrows being literally impossible in real life) you have fire arrows for a cool visual anyway and the catapults being fired at the wights
-As jon and danny are blazing the field the storm comes limiting visibility, as they fly around the NK attacks them.
-The unsullied start to break and GreyWorm call a general retreat
-You can still have Jamie save Brienne as they're retreating, but make the scene a bit less ridiculous and she gets injured. Sam can still get saved and get Ed killed.
-Melissandre comes to light the trench, but this time she walks a bit faster since people are fucking dying around her.
There you have like the first third of the episode, obviously this isn't complete, and I might have changed the order of a few of the scenes, but you get my point, I want them to put a fight and still lose, I want actual tension instead of cheap thrills you get with the fake out deaths, the lack of plot armor means the viewer actually believes the characters are in danger. And I want them to lose because the enemy is simply stronger than they are, not because they're incompetent.
I might have changed some of the plot elements, but even if were following their exact script I think it could have been executed better.
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