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Eidan

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I don't know what people are expecting with Theon.

ASOS/ADWD
How would you all prefer to handle it. You can't just have the actor disappear for several seasons. You can't just have him there and dance around what is happening to him there. If you find the Theon scenes disturbing, it's because they're meant to be. Everything about his storyline at this point is unsettling, and I don't see a good way you can avoid confronting it.
 
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jett

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Eidan said:
I don't know what people are expecting with Theon.

ASOS/ADWD
How would you all prefer to handle it. You can't just have the actor disappear for several seasons. You can't just have him there and dance around what is happening to him there. If you find the Theon scenes disturbing, it's because they're meant to be. Everything about his storyline at this point is unsettling, and I don't see a good way you can avoid confronting it.
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The only thing I find strange is that he's been made extremely sympathetic. I'm sure people are actually feeling sorry for him now. :p
 
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Vyer

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Enco said:
Agreed.

This Theon stuff is starting to get annoying. Completely unnecessary. Yes he's crazy. Ok. Move the fuck on. This isn't 'gritty storytelling'. This is bullshit exploitation to force an emotional response. It's bad storytelling.
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I disagree. Series
If Theon ends up in the condition we think he will, to buy that for TV they've got to do more to show how extreme his tear down is, rather than just state it.
 
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Azih

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Vyer said:
I disagree. Series
If Theon ends up in the condition we think he will, to buy that for TV they've got to do more to show how extreme his tear down is, rather than just state it.
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Yeah full spoilers
Since they decided to show what Theon goes through, they kinda have to go all the way to explain how Reek comes about, cause, damn, Reek. The torture porn is justified in terms of the pretty extreme consequences
 
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GasProblem

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Omg omg omg, the HBO GoT Exhibition is coming to Amsterdam. Iron Throne here I come. And on the 18th, Arya, Davos and Theon will be there as well, you need to win a contest to get in that day though and you need to cosplay. Meh. Participated anyway though.
 
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Linius

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GasProblem said:
Omg omg omg, the HBO GoT Exhibition is coming to Amsterdam. Iron Throne here I come. And on the 18th, Arya, Davos and Theon will be there as well, you need to win a contest to get in that day though and you need to cosplay. Meh. Participated anyway though.
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Where can I find that?
 
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ultron87

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Vyer said:
I disagree. Series
If Theon ends up in the condition we think he will, to buy that for TV they've got to do more to show how extreme his tear down is, rather than just state it.
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They can't just keep going back and being like "I'm going to skin your other finger now! Weeeeee." They are just spooling out the reveal of his identity to give those scenes some element of plot as barebones as it is. The whole thing is silly since it isn't some big mystery and a lot of people will probably be like... you're who? It isn't like him torturing Theon reveals the Bolton treachery. At least with the random sex scenes we got some exposition. This is just torture porn to make us really really sure that Ramsey is a messed up dude. Which we already know pretty concretely.
 
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GasProblem

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Linius said:
Thanks! Not sure about the dresscode but cool contest :p

I already planned on going the 19th, looking forward to it. Too bad the actors won't show at a day regular visitors are allowed to come.
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Having to be in dresscode kind of sucks, but I kind of get why the actors aren't there during regular visitor days, imagine how crowded it'd be.

I need a picture of me sitting on the Iron Throne though. Life wouldn't be complete without it.

And seeing all the costumes and weapons is pretty awesome as well. Really looking forward to it.
 
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Ark

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That was a fantastic closing monologue.

I love seeing Conleth Hill and Aiden Gillen on screen together, they work off each other so well.
 
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Jibbajabbawockky

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Looking through the ASoS chapter summaries over the Tower of the Hand and I'm wondering how they're going to end the season.

[Series spoilers]
The past 2 seasons more or less coincide with the end of the books which have great ending scenes and natural cliffhangers. So I'm just wondering how they time up certain events. Like Jaime for instance. He does his heroics with the bear next episode but then doesn't arrive in King's Landing until AFTER Joffrey is dead. The Purple Wedding likely isn't coming until a couple episodes into next season, right? So, are they just going to drag out Jaime and Brienne on the road? Thats fine I guess since they're awesome, but nothing of note happens on Jaime's trip to King's Landing.

What plotlines can they resolve? Sansa leaving? Nope, that happens after the PW. Jon can get back to the Wall, I guess. I guess Arya will just be getting settled with the Hound. Gendry would still be lingering at Dragonstone likely if he's filling the role of Edric. Maybe Davos gets freed and reads about the Night's Watch? Do Bran and company meet up with Sam yet? Does Sam get to the Wall yet?

I'm just wondering how they're going to end this season with a big scene like they have the past couple seasons. Jon arriving back at the Wall and seeing Mance's army off in the distance might work but then what are they going to do with Tormund and Ygritte's raiding party? Kill them off at Queenscrown? Have them go back over the Wall to join back up with Mance? That would seem silly. I'll be pissed if they kill off Tormund before he can do a proper HAR!

The last episode's title does make me wonder if they do the Stoneheart reveal then. Seems like the episode titles this season have taken on multiple meanings- the Climb being the literal climb of the Wall and Littlefinger's speech; Kissed By Fire meaning Jon/Ygritte or Beric's resurrection and so forth. "Mhysa" meaning mother refers to Dany at Yunkai but could it also mean Cat? I hope they hold off on that, only because bringing her back to life so soon after they just killed her off could really cheapen her death and any death in the series I think.
 
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Moff

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Jibbajabbawockky said:
Looking through the ASoS chapter summaries over the Tower of the Hand and I'm wondering how they're going to end the season.

[Series spoilers]
The past 2 seasons more or less coincide with the end of the books which have great ending scenes and natural cliffhangers. So I'm just wondering how they time up certain events. Like Jaime for instance. He does his heroics with the bear next episode but then doesn't arrive in King's Landing until AFTER Joffrey is dead. The Purple Wedding likely isn't coming until a couple episodes into next season, right? So, are they just going to drag out Jaime and Brienne on the road? Thats fine I guess since they're awesome, but nothing of note happens on Jaime's trip to King's Landing.

What plotlines can they resolve? Sansa leaving? Nope, that happens after the PW. Jon can get back to the Wall, I guess. I guess Arya will just be getting settled with the Hound. Gendry would still be lingering at Dragonstone likely if he's filling the role of Edric. Maybe Davos gets freed and reads about the Night's Watch? Do Bran and company meet up with Sam yet? Does Sam get to the Wall yet?

I'm just wondering how they're going to end this season with a big scene like they have the past couple seasons. Jon arriving back at the Wall and seeing Mance's army off in the distance might work but then what are they going to do with Tormund and Ygritte's raiding party? Kill them off at Queenscrown? Have them go back over the Wall to join back up with Mance? That would seem silly. I'll be pissed if they kill off Tormund before he can do a proper HAR!

The last episode's title does make me wonder if they do the Stoneheart reveal then. Seems like the episode titles this season have taken on multiple meanings- the Climb being the literal climb of the Wall and Littlefinger's speech; Kissed By Fire meaning Jon/Ygritte or Beric's resurrection and so forth. "Mhysa" meaning mother refers to Dany at Yunkai but could it also mean Cat? I hope they hold off on that, only because bringing her back to life so soon after they just killed her off could really cheapen her death and any death in the series I think.
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I think the last episode will see the death of ygritte and the introduction of lady stoneheart.
the last scene being jon seeing mances army in the distance OR maybe stonehart. both are suitable season cliffhangers.
 
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The Lamonster

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I wonder why they killed off Ros. It obviously wasn't in the book, and we already knew Joff was a sick fuck. I guess they felt a heavy need to show that Littlefinger can be a ruthless asshole, but still, I feel like that has already been portrayed in the show.
 
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Sho_Nuff82

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ultron87 said:
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They can't just keep going back and being like "I'm going to skin your other finger now! Weeeeee." They are just spooling out the reveal of his identity to give those scenes some element of plot as barebones as it is. The whole thing is silly since it isn't some big mystery and a lot of people will probably be like... you're who? It isn't like him torturing Theon reveals the Bolton treachery. At least with the random sex scenes we got some exposition. This is just torture porn to make us really really sure that Ramsey is a messed up dude. Which we already know pretty concretely.
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You can't show a typical tv torture scene of a guy getting beat up and whipped a few times, and then make the leap to Theon's mental breakdown in ADWD. Which is 2 to 3 seasons away at minimum. And a "messed up dude" doesn't even begin to describe someone who in many ways is worse than Vargo, Rorge, Joffrey, or Qyburn. The mystery of Ramsey is a big part of ACoK, it has simply been moved into this season, alongside Theon's ordeal. The revelations that he burned Winterfell instead of the Ironborn, why he wants Bran & Rickon, and what he does to his captives, will be a big deal to non book readers. Read the other thread. Only after last night's episode are people starting to piece it together. Most still don't know, or wouldn't without the help of random people posting wink wink nudge nudge teasing comments. You're letting hindsight blind you. If they're going to show Theon as a mewling, broken, subservient coward, that means fingers, toes, teeth, and genitals have to go.
 
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Dawg

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Roose Bolton: "I would have hoped you learned your lesson about overplaying your..."

At this point, I was pretty sure he was gonna say "hand" but then...

Roose Bolton: "...position"

Truly a master ruseman.
 
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PhoenixDark

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Massa said:
Nope, Ros existed to show sides of main characters we wouldn't get otherwise in the TV format. She helped develop the likes of Theon, Tyrion, Cersei, Littlefinger, Varys, Joffrey... not a single scene with her on the show was about her character. She never had any arc of her own, and now that she stopped being useful (we know the characters well enough) they killed her off.
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yes but through nudity/sexposition though, for the most part. She was in some of the worst scenes in the first two seasons. And all those characters were fleshed out without her; I understood her presence in the pilot with Tyrion but outside of that she felt like a waste.
 
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Sho_Nuff82

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Jibbajabbawockky said:
Looking through the ASoS chapter summaries over the Tower of the Hand and I'm wondering how they're going to end the season.

[Series spoilers]
The past 2 seasons more or less coincide with the end of the books which have great ending scenes and natural cliffhangers. So I'm just wondering how they time up certain events. Like Jaime for instance. He does his heroics with the bear next episode but then doesn't arrive in King's Landing until AFTER Joffrey is dead. The Purple Wedding likely isn't coming until a couple episodes into next season, right? So, are they just going to drag out Jaime and Brienne on the road? Thats fine I guess since they're awesome, but nothing of note happens on Jaime's trip to King's Landing.

What plotlines can they resolve? Sansa leaving? Nope, that happens after the PW. Jon can get back to the Wall, I guess. I guess Arya will just be getting settled with the Hound. Gendry would still be lingering at Dragonstone likely if he's filling the role of Edric. Maybe Davos gets freed and reads about the Night's Watch? Do Bran and company meet up with Sam yet? Does Sam get to the Wall yet?

I'm just wondering how they're going to end this season with a big scene like they have the past couple seasons. Jon arriving back at the Wall and seeing Mance's army off in the distance might work but then what are they going to do with Tormund and Ygritte's raiding party? Kill them off at Queenscrown? Have them go back over the Wall to join back up with Mance? That would seem silly. I'll be pissed if they kill off Tormund before he can do a proper HAR!

The last episode's title does make me wonder if they do the Stoneheart reveal then. Seems like the episode titles this season have taken on multiple meanings- the Climb being the literal climb of the Wall and Littlefinger's speech; Kissed By Fire meaning Jon/Ygritte or Beric's resurrection and so forth. "Mhysa" meaning mother refers to Dany at Yunkai but could it also mean Cat? I hope they hold off on that, only because bringing her back to life so soon after they just killed her off could really cheapen her death and any death in the series I think.
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Some suggestions:

Jon's escape and the first small battle at Castle Black vs the Thenns. Tormund will probably be captured.

Sam the Slayer, foreshadowed by the dragonglass this week.

Rickon and Osha leaving the party. Bran and the Reeds meeting Sam at the Nightfort.

The announcement amidst all the celebrating over the Lannister weddings and the death of two false kings, that the Dornish are coming to King's landing demanding justice.

Littlefinger touching down in the Eyrie.

Dany walking the freed slaves out of Yunkai before departing to Mereen.

The less Stoneheart the better. Really the worst part of the current story.
 
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Tacitus_

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ThisWreckage said:
I don't see how you could say that. They have a mutual respect for one another because of their vast webs of knowledge, but they also view one another as competition as well because of the same very reason.
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I just don't see them showing their hands to each other at all, or throwing their motivations at each other. They both like to work from the shadows, so this taunting seems off.
 
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Eidan

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Tacitus_ said:
I just don't see them showing their hands to each other at all, or throwing their motivations at each other. They both like to work from the shadows, so this taunting seems off.
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Neither are revealing their true master plans to the other. I don't see a problem with the scene.
 
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PhoenixDark

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Eidan said:
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Neither are revealing their true master plans to the other. I don't see a problem with the scene.
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Yet there is a certain super villain aspect of them telling each other what they've done, or what they're doing in the short term. I can't help but remember that Incredibles scene about monologues every time they meet. There's no subtlety to it, and it often feels like fan fiction to me. For instance Littlefinger's scene with Cersei in S2 where he reveals he knows about the incest and suggests that knowledge makes him powerful. It's a ridiculous scene, even though I do like Cersei's reaction; why would a manipulator who works in the shadows expose himself like that?
 
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Dysun

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Eidan said:
I don't know what people are expecting with Theon.

ASOS/ADWD
How would you all prefer to handle it. You can't just have the actor disappear for several seasons. You can't just have him there and dance around what is happening to him there. If you find the Theon scenes disturbing, it's because they're meant to be. Everything about his storyline at this point is unsettling, and I don't see a good way you can avoid confronting it.
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Agree completely, and I actually find it quite fascinating
I'm enjoying Ramsay's mind games, and creep factor alot more than I expected. It's one of the highlights for me every time he's in an episode
 
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Eidan

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PhoenixPause said:
Yet there is a certain super villain aspect of them telling each other what they've done, or what they're doing in the short term. I can't help but remember that Incredibles scene about monologues every time they meet. There's no subtlety to it, and it often feels like fan fiction to me. For instance Littlefinger's scene with Cersei in S2 where he reveals he knows about the incest and suggests that knowledge makes him powerful. It's a ridiculous scene, even though I do like Cersei's reaction; why would a manipulator who works in the shadows expose himself like that?
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I hear you, but it has always played to me like a game of one-upmanship between the best schemers in the Red Keep. They only reveal enough to assert themselves as better than the other. It doesn't feel out of place or out of character.
 
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Eidan

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Also, I know some people have complained that show Littlefinger is too much of a "mustache twirling villain".

AFFC
How can anyone read Baelish's long explanation on Harry the Heir without thinking of Snidely Whiplash?
 
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The Anti-Monitor

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Eidan said:
Also, I know some people have complained that show Littlefinger is too much of a "mustache twirling villain".

AFFC
How can anyone read Baelish's long explanation on Harry the Heir without thinking of Snidely Whiplash?
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Littlefinger could only be more of a mustache twirling villain if his sigil was a top hat.
 
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Tacitus_

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Eidan said:
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Neither are revealing their true master plans to the other. I don't see a problem with the scene.
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Series, I suppose
But LF just did. He flat out stated that he wants power and that he's going to use the chaos to grab it
 
Moff

Moff

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I actually prefer show littlefinger :(
I didnt like him much in the books though
and the scenes with the BWB were also not in the books, and pretty good in my opinion.

good episode, but not great

the only thing I didnt really buy was sadly the Tywin scene, why would olenna give up when tywin threatens to give loras to the kingsguard? he was already in renlys kingsguard so they all at one point accepted that he wont be the lord of highgarden. the tyrells have nothing to gain when he marries cersei.
 
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Clegg

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Liquidsnake said:
I would follow John Snow anywhere. I believe in him.



Im surprised his grandfather has had any one on one's with him.
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Tywin is busy with the war and probably felt Cersei was the best person to handle Joffrey.

But for years Cersei has been completely unaware of her sons development into a depraved little shit.
 
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PhoenixDark

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Eidan said:
Also, I know some people have complained that show Littlefinger is too much of a "mustache twirling villain".

AFFC
How can anyone read Baelish's long explanation on Harry the Heir without thinking of Snidely Whiplash?
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AFFC
Is there any villainy showmanship in that monologue though? It's worth remembering that the situation is different: he attempts to teach Sansa "the game" throughout the book, to make her a formidable chess piece; a smarter Cersei, if you will. In it he's explaining everything in simple terms Sansa can understand, like an entry test. Whereas his scenes with Varys are just him shooting the shit while tipping his hand to an opponent (the "foreign dignitary" scene in S1, last night's "when I told the Lannisters about the Tyrell plot..." scene, etc).

To me the only mustache twirling moment comes in the epilogue of ADWD, but at least the character involved is tipping his hand in a safe environment, with no fear of anyone exposing his plan
 
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fallengorn

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Moff said:
the only thing I didnt really buy was sadly the Tywin scene, why would olenna give up when tywin threatens to give loras to the kingsguard? he was already in renlys kingsguard so they all at one point accepted that he wont be the lord of highgarden. the tyrells have nothing to gain when he marries cersei.
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This was probably Loras' decision. If the Queen of Thorns had her way he wouldn't be.
 
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David Incorporated Esq.

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I just have to wonder where they're going with the Loras/Cersei marriage.

Seeing as how he's KG in the books, maybe he begs Margaery to make him KG or Cersei tells Joffrey to make him KG? The latter would be a good opportunity for Cersei to Headey-face at Tywin.
 
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Tacitus_

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Lactose_Intolerant said:
Varys hates chaos, (ADWD)
kills Kevan to make chaos. Kevan is actually competent so he has to be killed.
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ADWD
Only because his plans are coming to fruition with the Golden Company making landfall, he wanted the realm to hold together until that - but now he needs them divided so the Targs can reclaim the throne more easily
 
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