Ape Gone Insane
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Why didn't he trust Grey Wind. 
Same with ADWD
Jon misinterpreting Ghost before he gets stabbed.
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Same with ADWD
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For me, it was the building sense of total dread when Cat started making a big deal about guest rights. I knew something horrible was about to go down, and I actually had to stop before reading the actual event to calm down. It was indeed amazingly well written.
Ape Gone Insane
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[ASOS]
By the way, given how non-book readers (like many book readers) came around to liking Jaime after hating him at first, wouldn't they just hate him again when Bolton steps up and says he sends his regards before doing his thing?
Jibbajabbawockky
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Yeah. [ASoS Major spoilers]
I remember just sort of absentmindedly searching around the Song of Ice and Fire wiki before the show was on and before I had read any of the books to just see what the books were about. And of course I ended up spoiling myself on Ned dying and the events of the RW.
But the thing is that when I went and read the books, those events were still shocking considering I only knew that certain characters died and the very rough circumstances surrounding their deaths.
If the show plays it's cards right, even if you know that Robb dies at the RW, it should still be shocking with the scope of it and how everyone dies in such brutal fashion. Its not like Robb is stealthily poisoned or quickly stabbed in the back- its a bloodbath with tons of collateral damage. That's what shocked me about it when I read that chapter in the book, even knowing that Robb and Cat were going to likely die.
But the thing is that when I went and read the books, those events were still shocking considering I only knew that certain characters died and the very rough circumstances surrounding their deaths.
If the show plays it's cards right, even if you know that Robb dies at the RW, it should still be shocking with the scope of it and how everyone dies in such brutal fashion. Its not like Robb is stealthily poisoned or quickly stabbed in the back- its a bloodbath with tons of collateral damage. That's what shocked me about it when I read that chapter in the book, even knowing that Robb and Cat were going to likely die.
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That chapter had a distinct sense of unease about it from the get go, so I wasn't entirely taken aback when the moment came. I remember feeling more furious at the Freys and Bolton than anything else. Never really cared for Robb as a character since we never really got to know him; like I said before, the pain of the wedding in the book was more the realization that the Stark war effort is now completely dead than it is the tragedy of specific character deaths. I'm curious as to how much of that unease they'll have in the show, as I feel like it does tip their hand pretty substantially and viewers might figure out what's happening before it happens. Will they keep the atmosphere or try and make the betrayal as shocking as possible?
It's pretty clear Jaime had no understanding of what was about to happen in the show. I can't see the viewers associating the two.
KINGofCRA5H
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This is an excellent point I never thought of it that way. I figured it was just
Robb making a huge mistake
ASOS
It's been ages since I've read ASOS and I have forgotten many things, but that's indeed what sticks with me too, the minute I understood what would happen. The bread and salt.
timetokill
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I think it's pretty clear to them that Jamie had nothing to do with it, even if Bolton says that. dude's turned a new leaf. They will probably hate Bolton even more for twisting the knife, so to speak, though.
IAmtheFMan
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In the show, he says to Roose "Tell Robb Stark the Lannisters send their regards." or something along those lines.
timetokill
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[ASOS] Unfortunately
it looks like he's aware of what the spoiler is since he said that "if true, your ban is going to be very much extended" or whatnot. Which will mean perma, I'd wager. Hopefully he's only aware in the sense that a book-reader mod told him the punishment will get more severe, but I doubt it.
Ape Gone Insane
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I've only watched it once but I was pretty sure he said, "give Robb Stark my regards"
From that comment (be relayed again by Bolton before the crucial stab) and without any POV, it would seem like Jaime Lannister was the mastermind/planned the thing or was very involved. Evidently, the secret meetings he had with Bolton came to some understanding.
From that comment (be relayed again by Bolton before the crucial stab) and without any POV, it would seem like Jaime Lannister was the mastermind/planned the thing or was very involved. Evidently, the secret meetings he had with Bolton came to some understanding.
At least, that's the way I would see it if I was a non-book reader.
Steelyuhas
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Oh, he'll be quite upset with Bolton when that line may cost him his life at the hand of Stoneheart.
Zoso Achilles
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[SoS]
As for the Jon parentage speculation in the other thread, [series]
About that gu who bombed the other thread, at least he didn't give any details away. Remember, many of them believe the wedding is just some minor event and then Robb is heading off to take Casterly Rock in a huge battle. Yes they are spoiled, but it's note worse case scenario.
As for the Jon parentage speculation in the other thread, [series]
I think it's pretty minor and somewhat innocent. After all, R+L=J is speculation for book readers too, although strongly backed. I agree he should not be able to make that connection from the show, but it is not harmful.
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Well, I am just hoping that me pming him about a spoiler doesn't confirm that it's a spoiler, ya know? I know he'll find out next week, but me 'not having seen the original post' maybe keeps it from being confirmed for him. Or something.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Know what gets me every time? ASOS
"No, dont, dont cut my hair, Ned loves my hair."
Fuck. Makes my eyes water just pulling up the quote. I really hope they do Cat's breakdown justice in the show and don't focus more on Robb's death. If it's somewhat different from the book I think I can take it, only because they've been planning how to do it forever.
Fuck. Makes my eyes water just pulling up the quote. I really hope they do Cat's breakdown justice in the show and don't focus more on Robb's death. If it's somewhat different from the book I think I can take it, only because they've been planning how to do it forever.
There was a lot of talk in the non-book thread several pages back, after the episode where Jaime gives his monologue about the Mad King, all about that and the rebellion and what caused it. If I remember Rhaegar and Lyanna were discussed then. All stuff pulled from the Blu-ray special features, and season 1 Robert/Ned scenes, not the books, I believe. So linking Lyanna to Rhaegar and Jon isn't so far fetched since some of it was already discussed in that thread. It seems they pretty much used the same deduction that book readers themselves did to come up with the theory.
Been gone all weekend so I'm not caught up. Someone spoiled the other thread big?
KINGofCRA5H
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Hey guys
if people pm you/post here asking what the spoiler was, tell them something hilarious and wrong, yeah?
Jibbajabbawockky
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Yes, [ASoS]
seeing the whole RW from Cat's POV in the books makes the whole thing so gut wrenching. You have her general unease when Dacey gets turned away from the one Frey and then you can just feel Cat's dread when she feels the chainmail underneath the one Frey's clothing. And from there its basically just seeing her whole life and family destroyed in front of her. Her begging Frey to let Robb go and her pleading with Robb to get up...
UGH. That chapter, man.
UGH. That chapter, man.
.... damn you I came here asking what it was.
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Zoso Achilles
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Yep. Some drunk dude said something along the lines of [SoS]
"Robb dies next episode lawlz!"
Have you read the books?
Not all of them, but enough to cover this season and next. Except that stuff they're plucking from other books.
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Well, it was
The Red Wedding. Of course, that would be the one spoiler that leaked to that thread >.<
ASOS (next two episodes of the series specifically)
they spoiled the RW. I guess we're trying not to talk about them having spoiled it in there in case anyone from there accidentally clicks this thread or something.
bodyofanamerican
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My favorite part upon a reread ASOS
Chilling on the reread. Chilling.
is by FAR Frey's line about "We'll have music, such sweet music, and wine, HEH, the red will run, and we'll put some wrongs aright."
Chilling on the reread. Chilling.
KINGofCRA5H
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ZING.
David Incorporated Esq.
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I'm basically going to shit my pants as soon as "The Rains of Castamere" starts playing and Cat realizes what's up. Having Cersei play that song up the episode before the RW was a masterstroke. It is going to be so good.
MoogleWizard
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Don't destroy my dreams!
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Well, first there's the title of the series, you'd think that it would have a more literal meaning once the whole story is finished. And why would Martin give Dany her own prominent story arc, disconnected from almost everyone else and have her go through all this shit if she doesn't play a vital part in the end? Jon is Martin's favourite, so it would only make sense to have the two together eventually. And well, Ice and Fire, direwolfs and dragons, it just fits I guess lol.
I also think that the House of the Undying (worst adapted scene in the entire show IMO) on GOT might turn out to be a prophecy on its own. The show runners know how the series ends, just because they cut out all the prophecies from the book, doesn't mean that there weren't any there. And in that scene we see Dany at the Red Keep, the roof destroyed by fire and snow on the throne, then she goes behind the wall and finds love there... But that's probably just wishful thinking on my end, I'm a Dany fan ;-)
Still, I just think there needs to be something to feel good about in the end. It wouldn't a very satisfying ending to a series that people will have been reading for 20 years by the time it finishes, if it's completely negative.
I also think that the House of the Undying (worst adapted scene in the entire show IMO) on GOT might turn out to be a prophecy on its own. The show runners know how the series ends, just because they cut out all the prophecies from the book, doesn't mean that there weren't any there. And in that scene we see Dany at the Red Keep, the roof destroyed by fire and snow on the throne, then she goes behind the wall and finds love there... But that's probably just wishful thinking on my end, I'm a Dany fan ;-)
Still, I just think there needs to be something to feel good about in the end. It wouldn't a very satisfying ending to a series that people will have been reading for 20 years by the time it finishes, if it's completely negative.
Yeah pretty much. You're always at risk here or anywhere on the internet really.
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For non-book readers curious about the spoiler posted in the other thread:
It was just about Tyrion really secretly being Dany's brother. No worries.
Angry Grimace
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I think he said, "Send Robb Stark my regards." I believe he said that in Episode Seven in the show as well, although it was such a throwaway line I don't know that non-book readers would pick up on that unless they showed it again in the "previously on" segment.
[Early AFFC]
It just never reaches the ridiculous amazing highs of Post-RW Storms of Swords and thus gets a bad rap..
Here's how it goes:
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BOLTON: You will give my regards to Lord Tywin, I trust?
JAIME: Tell Robb Stark I'm sorry I couldn't make his uncle's wedding. The Lannisters send their regards.
And they do not show it in the recap.
JAIME: Tell Robb Stark I'm sorry I couldn't make his uncle's wedding. The Lannisters send their regards.
And they do not show it in the recap.
KINGofCRA5H
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Barely got half way through. I'll finish it someday.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Steelyuhas
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The recap of the previous episode is what they show prior to the new episode. That's the episode 8 recap, but notice that there's stuff that isn't from that episode in the recap.
AFFC
Not really. Briennes chapters are boring as fuck, but otherwise it's just coming down from the heights of ASOS and not having the "favorite" POVs. Though personally I absolutely loved the Jaime and Cersei POVs
IAmtheFMan
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Yeah I knew it was something like that.
HyruleGuardian
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I'm being very careful not to read any of the other posts in this thread, but I have a question for you guys...
(obviously I'll read any posts that are directly in response to this)
So far after watching each season I have read the corresponding books.
But I understand that Season 3 only covers the first half of the 3rd book.
I read all my books on my Kindle. Roughly what % of the 3rd book has the 3rd season covered so far?
Is there a "safe point" for which I won't be spoiled on any of the major events of Season 4? Or is everything all out of order and it's impossible to read any of the 3rd book without spoiling Season 4?
(obviously I'll read any posts that are directly in response to this)
So far after watching each season I have read the corresponding books.
But I understand that Season 3 only covers the first half of the 3rd book.
I read all my books on my Kindle. Roughly what % of the 3rd book has the 3rd season covered so far?
Is there a "safe point" for which I won't be spoiled on any of the major events of Season 4? Or is everything all out of order and it's impossible to read any of the 3rd book without spoiling Season 4?
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At this point, I believe you should likely wait until season four is over to read any of book three. There won't likely be a good 'stopping point' that we can recommend.
Yeah, the show is pulling from all over already. Either read them all or wait... but really, read them all.
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