My problem with Talisa is a considerable amount of time was wasted on her. Other, more important characters got the shaft to make room for her.
I don't hate her or anything, I'm just annoyed with the showrunners.
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My problem with Talisa is a considerable amount of time was wasted on her. Other, more important characters got the shaft to make room for her.
I don't hate her or anything, I'm just annoyed with the showrunners.
Ape Gone Insane
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Looked to me that he abandoned her. He could have went after Tormund (and been aided by the direwolves).
I'm not sure if it's poor choreography or if they're aiming to reflect actual medieval fighting because realistically, medieval fighting did look like play fighting/amateurish. The stuff you usually see on TV is exaggerated nonsense that would get you killed pretty much instantly.
I'm a book reader. I love Talisa. I'm really heartbroken that she's dead though, because if she was a spy we would at least be able to see more of her in future... maybe. She's incredibly sexy, looked exotic enough, and was an effective way of getting Robb to take off his clothes. Mmmm. What's not to like?
aronnov reborn
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The Fuck.. that was so fucking brutal with the stomach stabbing.. MY GOD.
I just want to puke
I just want to puke
BFIB
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I think that and Blackfish being there were meant to stir something with those of us who have read the books.
Tremendous scene all around. This is going to go down as one of the most shocking in TV history I'd imagine.
Just saw the episode.
I think they did great justice to what I got spoiled a couple years ago... I mean, it was a bloody affair, through and through. Magnificently shot, too. Which reminds me...
Has anyone .gif'd that overhead shot panning from back of the room to the front, with everyone killing/dying? It's all I can see in my mind after last night.
I think they did great justice to what I got spoiled a couple years ago... I mean, it was a bloody affair, through and through. Magnificently shot, too. Which reminds me...
Has anyone .gif'd that overhead shot panning from back of the room to the front, with everyone killing/dying? It's all I can see in my mind after last night.
I'm an expert
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Random question. I had read the books long before the show so was largely uninterested in it, but checked out the first season way back when. I was surprised to see how faithful they kept to the books. Did they retain the same respect for the source material for seasons 2 and 3? Or did they inevitably have to take tv shortcuts?
bodyofanamerican
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Not that he necessarily improved the character but man, I am so glad they cast David Bradley as Walder Frey. He really played Frey's enjoyment of the Wedding as well as possible. All the little smiles, smirks, and quips were perfect.
"The king in the north arises!", and "now why would I let him do that" were great.
"The king in the north arises!", and "now why would I let him do that" were great.
The Hermit
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Eh, if they didn't invested as much as they did, people wouldn't care when she was stabed in the uterus over and over again.
Poor baby was doomed the moment they decided to call it Ned.
It's been pretty much the same as season 1. Some minor characters have more or less of a role.
IMO the Starks are pretty dumb in the books too. But Cat was still trying to find a way out for Robb. Lunging after Walder would have certainly ended that hope. Now, I would have slit the wife's throat then gone after Walder. But Cat gave up. I think that was fitting for the show-Cat. Maybe not for book-Cat. I found it very powerful they way she sobbed and waited. Great direction and acting.
Margaery Tyrell comes to mind.
Joe Shlabotnik
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There are significant changes after the first season, though mostly storyline and character omissions and combinations. I don't think they've upended any of the really major plot points.
cartoon_soldier
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Not having to deal with introducing the Westerling house?
Anton Sugar
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They're handling Ygritte and Jon MUCH better in the show than in the book. While you don't get Jon's thoughts on constantly thinking about alerting the Night's Watch, there is a much stronger connection between them in the show than the book.
Ygritte's look of betrayed sadness last night > any of her book characterization.
Ygritte's look of betrayed sadness last night > any of her book characterization.
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Yeah, this is what I feared. Sucks for people who only watch the show.
If they did the Jeyne story exactly it would've meant having to film another battle. They certainly could've just had her in the exact role that Talisa was in this. Maybe they just cast Oona and just didn't think she looked much like a Westerosi noble and thus made her foreign.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Added a little more drama for Robb, introduced some information about Volantis, and gave book readers something to wonder about.
The entire Westerling plot was not convincing in the books, and it would be even less convincing on the show given how little time they have to waste of extra scenes that relationship would need. It's basically a detour which means nothing to Robb, but fucks everything up because he "felt bad". It feels off when you compare it to how Robb is depicted on the show. He's more of a handsome leader trying to be brave and respected, and I think it does make more sense that he falls in love with a nurse, rather than having pity sex with someone he doesn't care about, and then feeling bad about it because she was a virgin.
Yeah this could be true. But I mean the time they spend having Talisa explain could also be spent doing the same with Jeyne. It didn't really bug me that much, just one of those changes that made me scratch the head a bit.
Backwards Marathon
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So glad they didn't go with the Talisa spy crap. Knowing she had baby Ned inside her and knowing their love was real had more of an impact. Seeing her get stabbed in the stomach was brutal and I felt terrible despite the fact that I hate her.
I felt the exact opposite. I think their story was written much better in the books. But that might due to me not liking show-Ygritte very much. She looks and sounds like a princess that spent too much time with wildlings and now thinks she is one of them instead of a proper wildling born and raised there. GRRM wrote her very differently, she constantly says things like "kissed by fire" "you know nothing", she was basically kind of dumb and naive because she was not educated. You don't get a sense of that at all in the show, show-ygritte is way too posh.
KingHenrik30
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I love the "FUCK HBO" crowd, as if this was all them. Go read!
CrashBandicoot
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I dunno, she doesn't come across as quite as manipulative but that could just be because we only see Cersei's paranoia about her in the books.
I like show Ygritte way more myself. I thought she was alright in the book, but I didn't feel all that attached to her. She was interesting for how she changed Jon and how he dealt with his feelings for her and his duty. But she herself never felt all that likable. While I really like her on the show. She comes across as the kind of girl you would fall for despite her being "the enemy". ASOS spoilers
Her death in the book had very little impact on me at all, I think it will affect me far more in the show.
Although I like book Sansa now, it took a very very long time. I started to like show Sansa earlier.
Grand Maester Pycelle is one of my favorites. He doesn't have much screen-time, but the actor does a tremendous job with the material he have. Absolutely love the way the show made him into a minor player. His little feud with Tyrion is especially amusing.
LAUGHTREY
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I like the reactions along the lines of "you don't know how to write a story!"
everyone loves it and they don't even realize it. The fact they care so much is exactly what many writers dream of and never achieve.
people are retarded.
everyone loves it and they don't even realize it. The fact they care so much is exactly what many writers dream of and never achieve.
people are retarded.
I don't think Ygritte dying is supposed to be a huge impact or surprise. He doesn't beat around the bush when Magnars party gets to Castle Black. It's more about will Jon abandon the watch for her or not, and when he does jump on the horse and run you know she's dead if they attack the castle. Hell I assumed they just killed her before they even got there since she was with him
I think the showrunners expanded her story and character based on her strong acting. I think it was a good choice, regardless of what happens in the books.
On another note, it seems there is speculation that [ASOS and beyond]
Michelle Fairley is done with the show. So we really think they're cutting Lady Stoneheart out of the show? I'd be shocked.
Macmanus
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Rome is one of my favorite shows on HBO (first season at least.)
With that said only one scene from that entire show qualifies as good action. You know the scene I'm talking about because, like I said, it's the only one.
Pai Pai Master
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Someone in the non-book thread mentioned Yara in the episode 10 preview, ASOS/AFFC
think we will get Balon's death next episode? I think that will be the "hope" people should be looking for after the RW. Balon dying on-screen would push people to expect something to happen to Joffrey next season.
What?
MarauderShields
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Whats this speculation based off of?
ASOS and after
They wouldn't need her much or at all to really do Lady Stoneheart. At most, they'd need her for the resurrection scene. Then just a body double with a hooded cloak could work pretty well for most scenes until she meets up with Brienne again which is at least two years away.
Ape Gone Insane
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I wouldn't go as far as calling them retarded but yeah, I agree. Same goes for reactions as to how shitty Martin and D&D are as writers or how the show and story is absolute shit. Their emotional investment and reaction to the show says otherwise. I mean, I'd understand if the dialogue, acting or writing was generally poor and the plots made no sense, but that's not the case. People are misplacing their anger at a fantastic plot event.
I'm surprised people aren't tired of stories with characters surviving because of plot-armour.
I suspect he thinks females hate fantasy and gore. Bizarre comment. I've met more female fans (of the books and show) than I have male.
Olenna Tyrell is pretty awesome in the show as well. I'm not sure she's better necessarilly, but the performance is stronger than how my imagination realized the Queen of Thorns in the books.
On the same thread, I like that they switched out the jester for Frey's wife. Yes, there's a kind of pathetic, desperate edge to Catelyn bargaining with the lowest of the low in terms of significance- the simple Jinglebell- but we get a much better view of Walder Frey's cruelty in exchange. I'll just have to find another has to be one of the better lines of the night.
I think just the interviews that have been released today. They say how emotional the shoot was and how D&D couldn't get in touch with Michelle for a week or so. I don't believe it, personally. I'm hoping someone could squash the idea for me. Hopefully this Sunday they'll show "it" and clear it all up.
Ape Gone Insane
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nvm
He is seated next to Catelyn at the beginning of the wedding. He makes some excuse to leave and then returns during the "scene". In the book, Catelyn realizes one of the other attendants has on armor and slaps them, but in the show Roose is left in the room for this moment and replaces that character, which then results in him leaving to bring the two in sync for the "send their regards" line.
For the people that didn't like this episode, can you talk about one you did like? I just don't see how you could hate last night (whether for acting, plot, book nitpicking, or whatever else) and gloss over those problems for the rest of the series. I mean, if you didn't like last night, you probably didn't like Blackwater either because they handled it differently and they couldn't get the scope down. And if you didn't like the Red Wedding or Blackwater, I just dont know how you like any of the show at all.
bodyofanamerican
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If you quote from that thread and lol at them here they can see it and thus be spoiled.
Ape Gone Insane
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When should we get the ratings for the (three?) airings they do?
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