In the show, Jaime said "The Lannisters send their regards", Bolton did say it verbatim. I imagine it was so that people didn't think Jaime had anything to do with it, which of course didn't and never would.
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In the show, Jaime said "The Lannisters send their regards", Bolton did say it verbatim. I imagine it was so that people didn't think Jaime had anything to do with it, which of course didn't and never would.
Jaime doesn't say that in the show. He says, "The Lannisters." So that is what Roose says. They changed this because they obviously want to continue Jaime's turn into more of a "good guy" and it would only serve to confuse casual viewers to imply that he was specifically behind this plot.
He steps up to Robb, stabs him through the heart, and steps away SO CATELYN CAN WATCH HER SON DIE CLEARLY RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER.
Catelyn wails in complete agony, slices the throat of Frey's wife and we linger on her shot for an uncomfortably long time as all life drains out of her. We aren't sure if this is the end of the episode or what. The shot lasts a long time. Then someone quickly steps into frame and matter of factly slits her throat, with no musical swell or anything. Just death and black.
Everything from Robb dying to the cut to black was about as perfect as I could have imagined it, quite honestly.
Some of you guys seriously pick up and harp on the weirdest shit to complain about in this show.
Ah, gotcha, thanks. I thought he said "Tell Robb Stark Jaime Lannister sends his regards" in the show.
"Some random guy." Watch the episode again. It's the same Frey that closed the doors. The same Frey that kills Talisa. The same Frey that was sitting beside Robb and Talisa to which she remarks that the musicians are "really good". I believe he'd already been established through an earlier episode when Robb meets with him and another Frey to discuss the terms for Edmure's marriage to a Frey girl.
oh god why did I read this
now I'm feeling shit again
oh god
this fucking wedding so much heartache
((Ignatz Mouse
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Very astute. I was certainly shocked, as I was still buying the honeypot theory.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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The most well-written scene in the series, for me anyway, has to be [ASOS]
Ygritte's death. It's just so beautiful and I wasn't prepared for it AT ALL.
Arya's internal dialogue during her stay at the House of Black and White when she's trying to get rid of Needle.
Him stepping aside was more for the audience's sake than anything else. He quickly stabs Rob and that's that. It's essentially a drive-by stab for shock value. The audience thinks Robb might be ok then Bolton quickly runs up stabs Robb and runs off. Bolton fucking up the delivery of his line didn't help either but that's not a framing problem.
What was wrong with the delivery of the line?
bodyofanamerican
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What would you have him say? "Jaime Lannister MUAHAHAHA sends his regards"?
It was quick, to the point, he made sure Cat heard him, and then he's out.
To be fair though, I always saw it in the book as Robb was laying on the floor and he stepped over him, said it, and then stabbed downward with his longsword.
Very flat. Other people noted it last night.
I think Michael McElhatton delivered that line very cold but softly. Fits his character perfectly, if you ask me.
Exactly.
Exactly.
He's Roose Bolton. That's how he is.
Flat? I'm not seeing it.
gregor7777
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All of his delivery is measured, just in that way. Watch the dinner scene with Jaime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y-uQp55Z7o
bodyofanamerican
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If nothing else, the look he gives Cat when she finds the chainmail is worth the price of admission. THAT is Roose Bolton, folks.
That was great.
Yeah, he "runs" off. You act like he swooped by on a golf cart and shoved a knife into his chest without stopping for small talk.
He steps up to him, delivers the line in another shot, stabs him in a closeup, then we see Cat's reaction, then we see Bolton stepping away from Robb's body. It's not one single shot that he just walks through with a drive by stabbing.
And how the fuck is he supposed to say the line exactly? How was it screwed up? He kind of snarls it, under his breath and menacingly as a message directly to Robb. Is it supposed to be more upbeat? More villainous with a mustache twirl? Should his voice have risen on the third syllable before falling on the forth and fifth? After hearing complaints in this thread I was expecting some completely wooden, poorly acted reading with totally messed up annunciation or something. What we got was actually quite chilling and cruel.
KINGofCRA5H
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You're nitpicking just for the sake of nitpicking.
Exactly, he fucking nailed it.
Also, the other thread may overtake this one at this rate. :lol
It is known.
I mean, how exactly is this line flat? It's totally cruel and menacing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZnxvUuSzbMI#t=466s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZnxvUuSzbMI#t=466s
fallengorn
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I didn't have a problem with the delivery, but him stepping away did look odd. Maybe if they shot it from a different angle?
Well, this is the book spoiler thread.
Well, this is the book spoiler thread.
BenjaminBirdie
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One thing I realized [series]
TELEVISION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They've now done a perfect set up for the Ramsey Ramsveal next week. All of America hates Roose Bolton forever and next week they're going to be like "OH DAMN IT'S HIS SON, SON?!?!" Amazing. Like fuckin' Ben Linus going "We're the good guys, Michael!"
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Ha, the way he kind of just slid up to Robb looked funny to me. Other than that, Roose was great. Not exactly the same as the book, but I like him.
I really get the impression that some were hoping for some dramatic flourish of some kind. But the delivery is in no way "flat".
BenjaminBirdie
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If anything took me out of it for a second it was Filch drinking during the murders.
S'like WE GET IT. HE'S AWFUL.
S'like WE GET IT. HE'S AWFUL.
Anton Sugar
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Yeah, Roose has been great all season.
The actors eyes are weird, in a good way. Kinda cold and emotive at the same time.
Emerson
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What is this complaint even supposed to be? It's perfectly consistent with the character.
Daniel Craig-esque.
fallengorn
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Now I want to see Steve Coogan and Rob Brydon throw the line at each other while eating great food.
he was just jelly he couldn't use magic like the Starks.
BenjaminBirdie
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It didn't even bother me that much I was just saying, jeez
legit lol
It took me a long time, but I finally realized earlier in this season that that's who he reminded me of. Glad I'm not the only one!
Oooh, that's true. Not as much as Davos being Jean Reno's twin, but there is some passing resemblance.
I didn't like the delivery of the line the first time around, but after rewatching it I really dig it. It's different from how I envisioned it, but in a good way. Certainly unlike another great line from the books that Fedora Jorah totally messed up.
I didn't like the delivery of the line the first time around, but after rewatching it I really dig it. It's different from how I envisioned it, but in a good way. Certainly unlike another great line from the books that Fedora Jorah totally messed up.
I picture Roose disguised as Jinglebell when reading this.
Pff people all crying about the Starks! I wont forget you, Jinglebell!
IAmtheFMan
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So I've stayed out of the madness since last night. Like I mentioned yesterday pre-Red Wedding, I was watching with 1 book reader and 7 non-book readers. I THOUGHT I was taping the reaction, but stupid me, I had it on camera instead of video mode.
I have to give D&D credit, for everything they built up in the SHOW itself. As soon as Rains of Castamere started, there was some confusion from them, but then one of the non-book readers said, "Why does that sound familiar? I think that's the Lannister song..." and the others were like "oh shit, you're right."
The actual scene was simply astounding, and gave me those feels in my stomach again. After it was over, one of my friends, who was probably the most emotionally invested in the show and Robb Stark said "fuck you, fuck the show," and just walked out. The other 6 just sat in stunned silence until one guy went, "well that just happened." Another just sat on my couch for I think a half hour.
Last night one of my other friends texted me:
Anyhow, I'm really glad this is out in the open, though my one friend who's been staying away from the show and has read the first two books texted me last night after the show saying "I am going to have to dodge all media at all costs. Game of thrones info is already out there, damn social network."
He wasn't spoiled and I warned him a week ago that whatever happened this week would be out in the open and was like a "Luke/Vader" spoiler.
So what did I think? I thought it was really well done. In fact, having Talisa there, pregnant and get completely stabbed in the stomach grabbed me. Plus the scene where Robb goes to her body just completely numb was just heartwrenching. Madden and Fairley nailed the scene, and Robb saying "...mother..." while looking at her just killed me.
Anyhow,
I have to give D&D credit, for everything they built up in the SHOW itself. As soon as Rains of Castamere started, there was some confusion from them, but then one of the non-book readers said, "Why does that sound familiar? I think that's the Lannister song..." and the others were like "oh shit, you're right."
The actual scene was simply astounding, and gave me those feels in my stomach again. After it was over, one of my friends, who was probably the most emotionally invested in the show and Robb Stark said "fuck you, fuck the show," and just walked out. The other 6 just sat in stunned silence until one guy went, "well that just happened." Another just sat on my couch for I think a half hour.
Last night one of my other friends texted me:
Anyhow, I'm really glad this is out in the open, though my one friend who's been staying away from the show and has read the first two books texted me last night after the show saying "I am going to have to dodge all media at all costs. Game of thrones info is already out there, damn social network."
He wasn't spoiled and I warned him a week ago that whatever happened this week would be out in the open and was like a "Luke/Vader" spoiler.
So what did I think? I thought it was really well done. In fact, having Talisa there, pregnant and get completely stabbed in the stomach grabbed me. Plus the scene where Robb goes to her body just completely numb was just heartwrenching. Madden and Fairley nailed the scene, and Robb saying "...mother..." while looking at her just killed me.
Anyhow,
Not entirely sure what the hell they're going to do next episode besides Ramsay reveal, and I hope they don't do Stoneheart.
Morrigan Stark
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Yeah, I liked that, made her murder even more brutal. I didn't like Talisa and her being the nurse from Volantis was really stupid, but I'm glad she wasn't a spy. I hated that theory.
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Why would she name the Boltons and the Freys? She has no idea they're responsible for her family's murder.
No way. Show-Catelyn is worse. She's much dumber and weaker.
That's quite a stretch. He said he liked show-Osha and was inspired by the actress. Not quite the same thing.
Personally I greatly prefer book-Osha and disagree with GRRM here.
Agreed completely.
The characters I prefer on TV are Davos, Sallador Saan, Balon Greyjoy, Margaery, maybe Gendry, and.... uh, Yoren maybe, if only for his badass death scene (I liked how book-Yoren was more of an ugly, lice-ridden stinky old man though, that gave him some charm). And that's mostly because they are more entertaining or fleshed out or have charismatic actors, rather than better written. Like TV-Jorah is a lot more charismatic, but the thing is, Jorah isn't supposed to have any charisma at all. I don't mind that he does have some but I wouldn't say it really improves the character. Not everyone needs to be handsome and cool.
FunkyMunkey
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Where in ASOS do you think they're going to end the season next week? Just to help keep the attention of non-book readers I mean, since a lot of people are sad about this episode.
I dunno. Not having her go on about the size of other womens hips the entire time is a definite improvement, IMO.
Completely agree with this. He delivered the line perfectly for me
fallengorn
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That's a good question. (ASOS)
They like to end with a good visual. They might just show Coldhands, if they've already designed his look. Lady Stoneheart would be a strong one. A pan out of the Dreadfort? Dany marching on Mereen?
He also said that he too agrees that Arya was poorly written in the books, that he believes the show has taken her character in a smart direction, and that AGOT is the best book in the series.
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