I don't think so. Not in this thread, no.
I'm quite looking forward to considerably less black bars that hide Red Wedding spoilers. Ah. That feels good posting that in the open.
Edit: It appears I am wrong on this.
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I'm quite looking forward to considerably less black bars that hide Red Wedding spoilers. Ah. That feels good posting that in the open.
Edit: It appears I am wrong on this.
cubicle47b
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Polliver. It can't be as emotional of a kill as the Tickler, though. I'm okay with how they've apparently decided to move some of her development into S4. I do wish they'd had the budget to show more of Arya's travels in Clash of Kings and Storm of Swords. She's our viewpoint of what it's like to be a commoner in a time of war in the middle ages and the series misses a lot by cutting most of that out.
Steelyuhas
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No, but there is a good chance that's what we'll be doing next year.
:lol This is ridiculous. If the show has moved ahead, it's fair game.
KingHenrik30
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I can't wait. Serious question, are there a lot of regular posters in here that haven't read all the way through ADWD yet?
cubicle47b
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Not in this thread. Anything up to this point in Storm of Swords in the books is fair game.
Just as long as new-to-the-show stuff (the fate of Ros, Talisa in the last episode, stuff like that) remains tagged until it airs. The Walking Dead thread shoved all comic book discussion into the untagged show spoiler thread at one point during season two, and it was awful. Show-exclusive death spoilers right on the first page, etc.
Calamari41
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I don't see the point in having one zero tolerance for spoilers thread and another just as zero tolerance unless everything, even (GoT)
The Hound tells Sansa his "origin story" rather than Littlefinger
Edit: And Cyan posted as I was typing my thesis. This will be my last words on the subject for some time, then. Let's all break bread together to show our sincerity.
That doesn't work, though.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
ASOS/ADWD
Polliver still has Needle though. They only really need to introduce that he's an asshole and that he still has Needle.
A better question is what the fuck Bran is going to do for Season 4+. He doesn't have any chapters in ASOS after the Nightfort and there are three Bran chapters in A Dance with Dragons.
A better question is what the fuck Bran is going to do for Season 4+. He doesn't have any chapters in ASOS after the Nightfort and there are three Bran chapters in A Dance with Dragons.
Next week/Season/current+next book speculation
I think she's going to end up killing the Hound after that line she dropped this week. They've cut out so much of her killing, the Hound's death has always been super unsatisfying, and she's made a point of wanting to kill him (in a dramatic turn from what seemed like an awesome setup for a Westerosi buddy cop movie the previous week). The show writers have shown that they're more than willing to shift stuff around to make it more emotional (stomach stab this week comes to mind), and Arya killing a BAMF like the Hound would not only be a more interesting death than her letting him rot under a tree, but it would make up for a lot of the kills we've missed out on.
KingHenrik30
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Word, well hopefully by next year then most everybody is through it.
Anybody ever listen to the Audiobooks? I travel most of the day for work in my car (beer salesman) I had all this time and I supplemented my reading with them. Aside from Tyrion's voice which I couldn't stand, Roy Dotrice does a great job and it was really enjoyable.
KuwabaraTheMan
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I highly doubt that the show will kill off the Hound. I know they've killed off some characters who are still alive in the books, but the Hound is a pretty major character, and I don't think they would do that. At least, I hope not.
cubicle47b
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KingHenrik30
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ASOS/ADWD
I'm assuming a lot of travel that is mostly used as a way for Jojen to elaborate on things, as well as an elaborating of both Jojen and Meera. Speaking of Jojen, anybody miss his catchphrase on the show? I always loved that "Today is not the day I Die"
I've thought the same, but I'm operating under that assumption until proven otherwise
KingHenrik30
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AFFC
The hound is widely speculated to be the groundskeeper at the monastery Brienne visits, so I don't think he's dead and could possibly play a part later on down the road. Who knows with the show though, I'm still trying to wrap my head around Jeyne Westerling-lessness
You should read all the books. At the very least, read a wiki entry about book 1 (if you feel like skipping something) and then start on book 2. Or else you will be very confused.
The first 3 books are arguably the best ones in the series too.
Also, book 3 = season 3 and 4. So you're not entirely caught up yet to the story.
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hound isn't dead, so I don't think thats happening. She will probably kill Polliver and fans will remember because of theyll emphasize that he has needle. My personal theory is that they don't have her say the tickler questions and instead have her sing the reign of castamere as that was the song playing during the massacre and no one is going to remember what the tickler said all that time ago.
I've said what I had to say about the butchering of Arya's story in ACOK but they had ample opportunities here to show something this season the only thing they showed however is her talking a big game and then looking reallly stupid when she pulls a sword up to thoros. All she has done this season is talk shit to people and be a hostage. Yea not too far of a deviation but they needed to make up ground from what they lost last season when the played tea time with tywin. The stage she is at now she was already at in book 2.
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Sure they have an extra season to develop this because of the freedoms in braavos but she cant go around freely killing under the FM she only does it againt dareon, the book did a good job of making the killings look necessary as they were in self defense or it was kill the guard and get out of harrenhall or die. At this point from what i've seen the writers do to Arya's story I don't see them creating enough material to satisfy what is lost from her character. When book Arya went up to the hound and ill cut your throat I believed it 100% show Arya comes off as a joke because all we've seen is her getting shut down. Its just a shame really.
Steelyuhas
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Oh yeah obviously that stuff would be leaks of future show content, so like any other TV show that would have to be tagged.
Luckily unlike The Walking Dead, this is an adaption that to this point is been very faithful, so that's not as big of an issue to deal with as TWD.
Morrigan Stark
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KingHenrik30
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It's crazy how that goes. Like the Walking Dead had a HUGE following, but for the most part the show and comic exists relatively separately and that's fine. True Blood is another example, where the show really just does it's own thing. I'm glad it's not the same for this.
Admiral Bone to Pick
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Speaking from personal opinion here, but with Lancel I feel it has less to do with him being a pretty boy and more to do with him being an 80 pound, wispy haired twig. Seeing him nude was kind of gross. Other characters like Jon Snow pull off pretty boy well, but Lancel doesn't IMO.
I don't see why it's 'useless'. That's essentially saying there's no point in enjoying a tv show ( or movie ) for what it is. So much in entertainment is pulled from other source material that that kind of approach pretty much kills a lot of discussion/speculation on a lot of things. Not to mention that because they aren't exactly the same what applies in the book might not apply to the show.
Though, we've seen that some people have a hard time separating mediums, so I suppose I shouldn't be all that surprised, but it seems a rather limiting view.
cubicle47b
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Lancel is also really dumb. Not in a "smart but makes stupid political mistakes" way like Robb/Ned but dumb in a "surprised he functions as a human being" way.
So this will probably be one of the only posts I do here, until I inevitably read the books. I've not read anything you guys have written yet and so yes I am a show Watcher only. I have no aversion to reading, I love it. It's just I was introduced to the world through the show. I didn't know a single thing about the books. I knew they existed but that's about it. And so I don't want to cloud my vision of the show by reading the books which are almost always superior.
But yesterday I watched the 'Red Wedding' episode. I didn't even know it was called that. And I was speaking with a friend today since it was still on my mind. And when I brought up the horrific fate that befell Talisa. He told me it was unnecessary and that she didn't exist in the books and that it was someone else. Now I normally would NEVER ask, but I want to know, why didn't she exist in the books? And why did they replace who she was supposed to be? And did it have any bearing on what happened?
From what I remember in the show, Talisa is a foreign noble who works as a nurse for wounded. She was on the Lannister side, and needed supplies and Robb became smitten with her, and fell in love and accompanied her for supplies and he breaks his oath to Frey because of her.
How does the book portray his wife? And please, don't spoil any major event that might occur. And does this affect the story in any way? I'm asking because they're dead, I don't know if it'll impact the story at all. Thanks.
But yesterday I watched the 'Red Wedding' episode. I didn't even know it was called that. And I was speaking with a friend today since it was still on my mind. And when I brought up the horrific fate that befell Talisa. He told me it was unnecessary and that she didn't exist in the books and that it was someone else. Now I normally would NEVER ask, but I want to know, why didn't she exist in the books? And why did they replace who she was supposed to be? And did it have any bearing on what happened?
From what I remember in the show, Talisa is a foreign noble who works as a nurse for wounded. She was on the Lannister side, and needed supplies and Robb became smitten with her, and fell in love and accompanied her for supplies and he breaks his oath to Frey because of her.
How does the book portray his wife? And please, don't spoil any major event that might occur. And does this affect the story in any way? I'm asking because they're dead, I don't know if it'll impact the story at all. Thanks.
He's the prettiest Lannister and better looking than most of the female cast.I agree.
I'm mostly just talking about this shot.
Because ohhhhhhhhhh myyyyyyyyy goddd ~~~~
Glad I'm not the only one who notices the resemblance.
In the Books there was no Talisa. Robb was raiding in Lannister country and conquered a castle of Lord Westerling, a minor Lord and Bannerman of the Lannisters. He was injured in battle and nursed back by Lord Westerlings daughter, Jeyne Westerling. They fell in love and married...apart from that it's pretty much the same story. The other big difference is that Jeyne stayed at Riverrun when Robb and Company went to the wedding.
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he meets his wife (Jeyne Westerling) off-screen when she takes care of him after a big battle; he sleeps with her and he marries her out of duty. She (and her entire family) renounce their ties to the Lannisters and come with Robb to Riverrun where they all stay when Robb goes to the Red Wedding. They just replaced Jeyne with Talisa so we wouldn't have to worry about her entire family (who in the end are completely pointless in the books) and we wouldn't look too much in the fact the Westerlings were tied to the Lannisters, which in the end didn't really matter.
Angry Grimace
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I didn't hate it. I felt like Robb was a pretty flat character and I can see why they wanted to spice it up, particularly given that Richard Madden was pretty popular. I'm not 100% certain why they used some Volantine lady instead of a Westerosi though. I sort of wonder if they literally introduced her as a separate character for the sake of having her shanked; but they could have gotten Jeyne Westerling shanked too.
Damn. That sounds a lot better than the show lol.
Question,
Thanks guys for that clarification. And that's precisely why I don't want to read the books lol, because I'd be nitpicking the hell out of things. I do it for every adaptation I watch where I've read the superior books.
Question,
couldn't this Westerling story have worked keeping most of it the same, while still changing it a bit like they had in the show?
I mean you write she nursed him back from being wounded and that he sleeps with her, and in the show, she's a nurse to Lannisters and she sleeps with Robb.
If his primary intention of marrying Jeyne was to not have a bastard in the sense like Ned did, righting his father's wrongs couldn't they have called Talisa, Jeyne, and have an extra scene in the tent the next morning when he wakes up and realizes it?
In the books does Robb love her like they showed he loves Talisa or was it more a duty to her?
I think it would have worked better because a primary scene in the show, has Karstark upset he's off with Talisa when a Lannister killed his son or that he's upset because Robb cares more about dead Lannisters than his son, and he could say you married someone affiliated with the Lannisters etc.
Was bringing her to the Red Wedding precisely for shock? Because I felt sick to my stomach when I saw what happened, especially after hearing about Little Ned Stark riding horses with his dad etc.
I mean you write she nursed him back from being wounded and that he sleeps with her, and in the show, she's a nurse to Lannisters and she sleeps with Robb.
If his primary intention of marrying Jeyne was to not have a bastard in the sense like Ned did, righting his father's wrongs couldn't they have called Talisa, Jeyne, and have an extra scene in the tent the next morning when he wakes up and realizes it?
In the books does Robb love her like they showed he loves Talisa or was it more a duty to her?
I think it would have worked better because a primary scene in the show, has Karstark upset he's off with Talisa when a Lannister killed his son or that he's upset because Robb cares more about dead Lannisters than his son, and he could say you married someone affiliated with the Lannisters etc.
Was bringing her to the Red Wedding precisely for shock? Because I felt sick to my stomach when I saw what happened, especially after hearing about Little Ned Stark riding horses with his dad etc.
Thanks guys for that clarification. And that's precisely why I don't want to read the books lol, because I'd be nitpicking the hell out of things. I do it for every adaptation I watch where I've read the superior books.
Soyongdori
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Who is the ghost of winterfell? I know House Manderly is killing most of Welder Frey's sons, but the book mentions that the ghost of winterfell is also killing Freys.
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Morrigan Stark
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Madness, yeah, I don't know why they diverted so much, they could have kept the Jeyne storyline more or less intact, and just showed it on-screen instead of [just ASoS stuff pre-RW]
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I'm guessing they brought Talisa to the Red Wedding for the added drama of murdering her and her unborn baby, yeah. In the book Robb doesn't bring his wife to the wedding because he fears her presence would be insulting to Lord Frey.
the Crag siege, injury/nursing back to health/seduction stuff happening off-screen/page
I'm guessing they brought Talisa to the Red Wedding for the added drama of murdering her and her unborn baby, yeah. In the book Robb doesn't bring his wife to the wedding because he fears her presence would be insulting to Lord Frey.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Book Robb does seem to love her, but it certainly did start out as him doing his duty. There's not really a lot of time spent with them.
And if I remember right, they originally were going call her Jeyne, but George requested they change her name for some reason.
And if I remember right, they originally were going call her Jeyne, but George requested they change her name for some reason.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It totally seems like a sense of duty in the book as opposed to love, but you have to remember we actually see very little of Robb's direct actions and interactions with anyone outside Catelyn's presence since Catelyn is the Point of View character and Robb is never a POV character.
We can only speculate as to why they didn't just make her "Jeyne Westerling, a Westerosi" as opposed to "Talisa, a Volantine," since there's nothing that seems like it would have been all that different.
We can only speculate as to why they didn't just make her "Jeyne Westerling, a Westerosi" as opposed to "Talisa, a Volantine," since there's nothing that seems like it would have been all that different.
Morrigan Stark
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Priorities lol
What's wrong with those covers? They're probably the best of what I've seen for sale around here, the only others being the show tie-in ones.Cross Posting
I have to read the books now... But I have to invest in a nice set with good covers and not the typical set you can find anywhere now like this:
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Looking for something else (not the Sean Bean one also)
Any recommendations?
This was the first book series I bought entirely on Kindle though.
Those covers look fine tbh.
I have the really old ass ones from years ago. They don't match with my copy of ADWD. lol
I have the really old ass ones from years ago. They don't match with my copy of ADWD. lol
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A More Normal Bird
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I replied to you in the other thread about something similar to this, but it's a neat coincidence that when Robb first takes Talisa with him it's when he's going to negotiate the surrender of The Crag, which is the castle of his wife in the books. He definitely likes his wife in the books, but it's different to Talisa in the show; to start off with, both characters are younger in the books, so it's more like puppy-love. That element of atoning for a moment of weakness (injured, in enemy territory and receiving word that his brothers are dead) also plays a part.
Taking Talisa to the wedding was probably in part due to the underdevelopment of the other Northern lords there (even those who were named in S1), so they needed another character the audience recognises to match the brutality of the scene in the books. Also, since the they figured they wouldn't use the character going forwards (and wouldn't have the books to draw from since they changed her), it allowed them to reduce the cast.
Lastly, I never got the impression that Talisa was affiliated with the Lannisters in any way. She was just a neutral field medic who followed the battles, helping both sides.
Taking Talisa to the wedding was probably in part due to the underdevelopment of the other Northern lords there (even those who were named in S1), so they needed another character the audience recognises to match the brutality of the scene in the books. Also, since the they figured they wouldn't use the character going forwards (and wouldn't have the books to draw from since they changed her), it allowed them to reduce the cast.
Lastly, I never got the impression that Talisa was affiliated with the Lannisters in any way. She was just a neutral field medic who followed the battles, helping both sides.
I'm not a fan of them, I like having exclusive copies (if there even are any) and I don't mind paying for it
blainethemono
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Game-of-T...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GEORGE-R-R-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
edit - i have one of these http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/a-g...eorge-r-r-martin/1106660131?ean=9780307292094
Only the first book. I also have the oversized versions of the covers you posted, but I mostly just read the books on kindle. There are also some alternate non-HBO branded covers you can find. The best covers are usually only available outside the US though, from what i've seen
I miss these covers.
SuperAndroid17
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Regarding Robb's....
That would be totally twisting the knife lol
body , do you guys believe they are going to sow grey wind's head into his body next episode?
That would be totally twisting the knife lol
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