ChorizoPicozo
Member
Are you saying that Game Pass isn't going to get a price hike? Everyone's doing it, and I don't think the rationale is to "sunset" such services.
Gambit2483
Member
So if Rockstar increases the price of GTA6 to $80 it's clearly because they are trying to sunset the series and to a point where purchasing it makes no sense, right?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
"embarrassing"So if Rockstar increases the price of GTA6 to $80 it's clearly because they are trying to sunset the series and to a point where purchasing it makes no sense, right?
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Is that why Sony raised the PS5 price, they want to sunset that too?So if Rockstar increases the price of GTA6 to $80 it's clearly because they are trying to sunset the series and to a point where purchasing it makes no sense, right?
The Pleasure
Gold Member
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
Isn't the problem that people cancel their subs and don't buy their games?
Only occasionally subbing for 1 month or two?
Only occasionally subbing for 1 month or two?
Nydius
Member
Nah Phil, I'd still use Game Pass. I'd just do the same thing with Microsoft exclusives that I currently do with Ubisoft games: Subscribe for a month, play the game to completion, unsubscribe and wait for the next interesting game to come along. Why would I spend $70 when I could just spend $20 for the same thing?
If I didn't have Game Pass Ultimate stacked through November, that's exactly what I would have done to play Avowed and then Doom.
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LavitzSlambert
Member
I dont remember exactly...but Tim Dog has said some things regarding the power dynamic between Nadella and Phill.
Like Nadella saying:
"In order for Xbox to exist, it needs to follow certain criteria."
And Phil had to come up with a strategy to make Xbox fit into that.
I think Phil is seen as Xbox itself. If he leaves or gets fired, there's no one left to champion Xbox inside MS
He is literally the voice of reason in favor of gaming at Microsoft. He is clearly passionate for gaming, and yet bound by Nadella and the rest of the Microsoft board who know one thing and one thing only - the enterprise software business. The big problems are Microsoft's heavy handed directives, the XBone baggage that has weighed the division down for more than a decade, and Matt Booty's complete lack of taste and talent.
Cyberpunkd
Member
He needs to justify his salary.
Cyberpunkd
Member
Microsoft is a business, it has a fiduciary duty to provide maximum returns to shareholders. I would say this is Microsoft doing what they do best - enterprise software - and sidelining what they have been unable to succeed in for 20 years.
Do people tell Nintendo to develop their own OS, multiple hardware lines and suddenly become Microsoft?
Klayzer
Member
Obviously. That's the reason why the Xbox platform is in this predicament.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Not my problem. I don't Gaf if Nintendo, Sony and MS all go bankrupt, all I care about is my own wallet. The entire game industry could go belly up, but I'd still have my collection, that I paid for, to get my by. Those greedy corporations don't give a single shit about you or me, so why should we?
Ritsumei2020
Who did they think I was shilling for?
Translation: we are losing money
laynelane
Member
I remember people saying Nintendo and particularly Sony needed a Game Pass equivalent because subscription gaming was the future and it was 'adapt or die'. Even back then, it was clear why neither adopted a service like it. And, finally, after throwing everything at it (including billions in acquisitions), Phil has started to make some realistic comments about it.
I bet MS would love it if people bought games over subscribing, prefer it vastly, but that's not the outcome Phil created. Still amazes me he has a job.
I bet MS would love it if people bought games over subscribing, prefer it vastly, but that's not the outcome Phil created. Still amazes me he has a job.
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Bumblebeetuna
Member
No it isn't.
They've only just started consistently putting out good games. That's been their problem and what lead them to where they are now.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Yep! He is clearly setting up a permission structure for the hardcore Xbox fans to finally give in to the reality that game pass will not be Xbox's main priority Focus going forward.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Notice he did not say if people cancel Game Pass they can buy their games on an Xbox console. He's clearly suggesting they know they will make more Revenue releasing their games on the Nintendo switch 2 and ps5.
balls of snow
Member
You know after the absurd psn plus price increase, gamepass looks better and better.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
They're going to phase out GP by making it so expensive and undesirable that people just move away from it and then one day it'll probably be gone.
Activision was the largest 3rd party publisher in the business... All their games going to GP day 1 is a massive destruction in value and they're seeing it. People also devalue their game and don't want to buy it as much if it's also on GP because people just assume their games are GP fodder.
They've created a nasty cycle.
Whenever Phil starts doing interviews, bad news comes pretty swiftly. In this case we're going to hear a lot of announcements in June that will upset a lot of Xbox fans include Gears going to PS5 on day 1 and it'll probably be joined with news of the Gears Trilogy coming to PS5 as well. In fact I'm pretty sure all the games they reveal at their showcase are going to be coming to PS5 on day 1.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
This thread screams we need another "What would YOU do to save Xbox?" thread. This company sure is in a unique position right now, unlike any of its competitors. Lots of risks, but also opportunities. A war chest so big they can try things others couldn't afford. And a couple technological advancements their competitors couldn't hope to match in the foreseeable future. That has been the case for many years now, yet they haven't had their break through moment so far. Also, what the hell is it with the quality of their games? Why can't they seem to be able to successfully establish a method that allows them to curate studios that grow instead of pushing out half baked, ideology infested, uninspired meh-titles one by one?
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Microsoft's stock is down 11% in the last 6 months. 10% in the last year. They have an earnings call on April 30th and I don't think it's going to be good at least where Xbox is concerned. There's going to be pressure to turn that around, especially if it is seen as contributing to the overall decrease in the value of the stock. If it's really bad, I expect Halo will be announced too. Their sales are anemic...
bitbydeath
Member
Ashamam
Member
I think this is incorrect. Those days have passed and didn't bare fruit. I actually think its the opposite, their appetite for trying things, or for risk has never been lower. You'll see it in more ports (low cost vs reward), further head count trims along with project 'rationalisation' and of course GP price increases and new hardware landing at higher than historically predicted prices. The days of partying on the olds money are long gone.
vaibhavpisal
Member
How is this simple concept hard to grasp? LMAO.So if Rockstar increases the price of GTA6 to $80 it's clearly because they are trying to sunset the series and to a point where purchasing it makes no sense, right?
GTA 6 is still ok value at $80.
If they want to pull the plug on gamepass, easy way would be to increase prices to a point where buying games will make more sense.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Correct.
And I'd go further and see that Microsoft has a really poor market strategy right now because the have an anchor around their leg, which is GamePass.
It hurts them twice. First their AAA games are simply not making up their development costs due to GamePass, but also as I mentioned it cheapens the value of the game for premium sales as well. It's not growing either, which means you have to cut costs, which lowers the quality of the games. Porting them to other systems makes up some of the difference, but devalues their own console in the process.
Microsoft does not have a sustainable retail strategy. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft spun up a new publisher to publisher their games simply so they wouldn't have to publish on GamePass, but in lieu of that, yeah the price is going to skyrocket to the breaking point. I wouldn't be surprised if it went up 4-5 dollars a month at the next increase.
They're also going to rake core xbox fans over the coals with new hardware prices. The lower the sales the higher the prices will go.
That's exactly what they're going to do. It's 20 dollars a month right now and I bet that will go up to 25 dollars a month and eventually it'll be 30 a month. At that point it would be the equivalent of you buying a AAA game basically every two months (60 dollar price point).
25-30 dollars per month is probably more sustainable.
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Unfortunatecookie
Neo Member
He's right. Most people don't finish games. A service that offers more games is inherently at odds with what most people do.
It sounds like an oversimplification but it's just reality. If most people don't finish the food on their plate, offering them more food isn't going to work.
That's why they now have to sell their software on platforms that haven't nuked their sales economy. It's a Scooby Doo mystery how a multi-trillion dollar company, staffed with economists and industry experts, didn't see this exact scenario happening.
It sounds like an oversimplification but it's just reality. If most people don't finish the food on their plate, offering them more food isn't going to work.
That's why they now have to sell their software on platforms that haven't nuked their sales economy. It's a Scooby Doo mystery how a multi-trillion dollar company, staffed with economists and industry experts, didn't see this exact scenario happening.
Little Chicken
Member
So many here are offended by the success of Game Pass, still, after 8 years 
Fess
Member
It's for me too! One cheap 3 year stack deal at a time
$5/month at the moment. Definitely worth it!
For me it works great, makes me play more games and cost me less money. I'm in as long as it's cheaper than purchasing.
Once the sub price has gone up so much that it cost me more, then it's a different story. At that point I have to reevaluate how much it's actually worth to subscribe to a library compared to do individual purchases. Might go back to only playing the 10/10 games.
Biggest upside for me is that I try games in genres I'm not normally interested in. I've now played Call of Duty, Diablo, DOOM. And to not end up in that "Might buy it later when it's cheaper" situation. I can go in day 1 without consequences. It's like having demos, without the playtime restriction.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Thing is that the threat was real…
MS fully intended to scoop up third party publishers and build a moat of exclusivity to "outspend Sony out of business" standard MS business practice wise, so yes… Ryan was more effective than everyone thought he would be.
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Ashamam
Member
Who's offended?So many here are offended by the success of Game Pass, still, after 8 years
I think you might be getting success and value confused. Standing on the customer side you can argue it has value, although not universal value because people will get different value from the catalog etc. Then there is the question of ever changing value with titles added, cost increases and the like so that value proposition argument needs to be constantly re-evaluated.
But standing on the company side is an entirely different story, by their own measure its clearly a failure. Have they moved the internal goalposts now so its a success? Quite possibly, but if they did they also shrank the size of the field and moved it from the professional league to college league in US parlance.
Astray
Member
They've been piling on the ports in an insane way this year. Clearly trying to juice up the revenue numbers as much as possible.
Baemono
Member
He works for Microsoft for like 35+ years, he did almost his whole career there, firing him (besides gross misconduct) would cost Microsoft millions.
I think at this point they just wait Xbox division to make some money to use it to fire him.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
With the state of the industry, I genuinely believe gamepass is for those with common sense.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Yup, it's too late for Q1, but they're rapidly looking to spin better numbers for Q2, which suggests they might have even more planned for Q3 that we're going to see in the June show, then they rely on GTA6 for Q4. Q1 next year will probably be a bit light, but so was this year, might be some GTA6 carry over, but by Q2-Q3 next year they need to start delivering again... this is where Fable, Gears, need to deliver.
I'm guessing Q3 we'll see Halo and/or Starfield release on PS5.
Lol....
I don't know if you're aware of the global economic and social situation and its impact on the stock market.....
The umpteenth leak trying to create an image of MS is falling, and it's doing so because of Xbox
#Only on neogaf
But why would he have to specify "Xbox console" if everyone knows that's where the GamePass subscription is?
I'm freaking out about people trying to make light of statements that aren't from today. He's been saying that forever in various interviews since 2020.
Phil Spencer: "Our motivation is not to turn everybody into a subscriber"
During an episode of the Dropped Frames podcast, released yesterday, Xbox head Phil Spencer discussed Game Pass' busine…
www.gamesindustry.biz
I don't know, maybe people were expecting him to say "GamePass is what suits every gamer, including those who play two games a year"?
Is GamePass going to go up in price? Of course, since everything in the industry is going up in price (Nintendo chage you for tutorials
). The funny thing is making people believe it's just a GamePass thing and that the price is going up with the idea of making people stop buying new GP subscriptions.
If that were the goal, I think the best thing would have been to reduce the value of the service by cutting releases and making it less interesting little by little... But here we are in the best 2 years of Gamepass and currently in the best moment by far when here some people told you that the situation would be the opposite
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Donald mac Ronald
Member
I would like eggs please. Eggs are a very sustainable breakfast for us, I like eggs. We will be looking at the different ways eggs can benefit us and our customers. When everyone eats, we all win.
