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Gaming Nexus bitch-slaps Halo 2
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The gameplay in halo 2 is perfect. Halo never had much of a story, I wasnt expecting much in that reguard but it was still better than average. I think people have just been waiting to take shots at this series that they never got to take when the original was released. Comparing it to Metroid Prime is idiotic. That game is more similar to MYST than Halo.
RobotChant
Member
The Backlash is coming down harder than I would've ever expected.
Project Midway
Member
Halo 2 is above any backlash. Its *that* good. 
CrimsonSkies
Member
It's a piss poor review. *shrugs*
Seems like someone who wanted to see the game sink on GameRankings wrote it. What's with the over the top BS about Daikatana? The game had fans?
What's with some reviewers hard on over Chronicles of Riddick? It's an FPS game without multiplayer. Not exactly something I'd rank over Halo 2.
Seems like someone who wanted to see the game sink on GameRankings wrote it. What's with the over the top BS about Daikatana? The game had fans?
What's with some reviewers hard on over Chronicles of Riddick? It's an FPS game without multiplayer. Not exactly something I'd rank over Halo 2.
MrAngryFace
Banned
Halo 2 rocks, anyone who thinks otherwise needs to cut their member off.
Blinx over Halo 2, you heard it at gaming nexus first!
With that, gaming nexus just landed a big fat ZERO in credibility.
I don't even like FPS games, and I'm pretty addicted to Halo 2 on Live. Granted I'm not very good at it, but you just can't deny how fun the online experience in this game is. I haven't even played the offline co-op yet, but I'm sure it won't be as bad as some reviewers are making it out to be.
Gaming nexus gets a C- from me! :lol
With that, gaming nexus just landed a big fat ZERO in credibility.
I don't even like FPS games, and I'm pretty addicted to Halo 2 on Live. Granted I'm not very good at it, but you just can't deny how fun the online experience in this game is. I haven't even played the offline co-op yet, but I'm sure it won't be as bad as some reviewers are making it out to be.
Gaming nexus gets a C- from me! :lol
This one time I was doing assault in riddick. And my teammate had the bomb. They were garding the base and I used my assault rifle type thing to kill someone and then another guy was inside the base. He and I had a boxing match right there on the spot and then my teammate planted the bomb while I used my fists of fury and wonky combat system to distract the guy guarding the base.
It was really fun.
It was really fun.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
Scoot said:
most people buy console games for the single player experience..
MrAngryFace
Banned
yeah, a nice 6 hour experience.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
MrAngryFace said:
exactly why some people are angry.
MrAngryFace
Banned
Actually I was talking about your precious bald man game.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
SantaCruZer said:
Wrong, wrong and wrong... I know reviewers know about Gamerankings all too well, as well as the PR people reviewers work with... However a reviewer wanting to see Halo 2 slip on Gamerankings is one of the dumbest things I have heard of...
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
MrAngryFace said:
Riddick came out of nowhere and was quite the surprise hit.
halo2 has been hyped up for 3 years. expectations were pretty damn high..
MrAngryFace
Banned
50 dollars for gameplay that absolutely stops at roughly 6 hours vs 50 dollars for still awesome gameplay that stops at 12 hours but continues beyond that with an insane amount of multiplayer competition supported by a stable and expandable community.
If gamers are disappointed by Halo 2, fuck them.
If gamers are disappointed by Halo 2, fuck them.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
MrAngryFace said:
Riddick isnt 6 hours long.. length is about the same as halo2.
and i was just pointing out how expectations and disappointments correlate.
MrAngryFace
Banned
Hype is our fault. Its sorta like how people fall for my trolling.
Dont participate and their wont be a problem. Id assume youre all smart enough to regulate how much hype you take in. Jesus.
Dont participate and their wont be a problem. Id assume youre all smart enough to regulate how much hype you take in. Jesus.
really? I have been playing a lot in the clan, online and I just finished single player co-op last night with my roommate.
This was my best match. Was great, came from like 6 kills down to win.
I'll be on around 6pm est today for quite a bit, or at least that's the plan after I hit the gym.
This was my best match. Was great, came from like 6 kills down to win.
I'll be on around 6pm est today for quite a bit, or at least that's the plan after I hit the gym.
The Shadow
Member
You know, even I think Halo 2 is a bit overhyped but for fuck's sake, shit like that makes the guy sound like a colossal idiot.
sonycowboy
Member
MrparisSM said::lol why don't u do it yourself?
PWNED!
Kabuki Waq
Member
cmon how can you guys take a reviewer who compares Halo 2 to daikatana seriously.
:lol
:lol
A selection of games Charlie scored better than Halo 2:
Blinx: The Time Sweeper
Disney's Extreme Skate Adventure
Dr. Muto
Nascar Thunder 2003
Red Faction 2
RoadKill
Rocky
Shrek 2
Splashdown: Rides Gone Wild
Star Wars Clone Wars
The Thing
Treasure Planet
Tribes Aerial Assault
Unreal Championship
WWE Day of Reckoning
WWE Smackdown! Here Comes the Pain
WWE Smackdown! Shut Your Mouth
...now I haven't played several of the games listed above, but I have a hard time believing that most (if any) of them are better than Halo 2. The ones I have played certainly aren't.
As someone who isn't so in love with the series as probably 9/10 of its fans here, even I have to roll my eyes at comments like these:
Honestly, I think the review is based on a romanticized view of the original and clearly someone who bought into the hype. I haven't been disappointed yet, but the only hype I absorbed was pre-ordering and seeing a couple of early movies I really didn't expect would be representative of the game.
Blinx: The Time Sweeper
Disney's Extreme Skate Adventure
Dr. Muto
Nascar Thunder 2003
Red Faction 2
RoadKill
Rocky
Shrek 2
Splashdown: Rides Gone Wild
Star Wars Clone Wars
The Thing
Treasure Planet
Tribes Aerial Assault
Unreal Championship
WWE Day of Reckoning
WWE Smackdown! Here Comes the Pain
WWE Smackdown! Shut Your Mouth
...now I haven't played several of the games listed above, but I have a hard time believing that most (if any) of them are better than Halo 2. The ones I have played certainly aren't.
As someone who isn't so in love with the series as probably 9/10 of its fans here, even I have to roll my eyes at comments like these:
Honestly, I think the review is based on a romanticized view of the original and clearly someone who bought into the hype. I haven't been disappointed yet, but the only hype I absorbed was pre-ordering and seeing a couple of early movies I really didn't expect would be representative of the game.
sonycowboy
Member
SickBoy said:
Please. That's logical fallacy #1. I personally hate this one when used with reviews.
radioheadrule83
Banned
Here's how I view it... and bare in mind here I'm kind of a casual in terms of Xbox and Xbox game knowledge:
I bought an Xbox just over a week ago with Chronicles of Riddick and Halo. What made me buy the machine was the insane Halo 2 hype. All I'd read here and elsewhere was people gushing over the original, salivating over I love bees, just itching to get their hands on the next game. I'd watched the awesome trailer where Master Chief releases himself from the air lock and plummets towards an Earth the likes of which we'll hopefully never see in real life. A glorious bombastic wartorn scene of exhilarating destruction. The 8 minute demo at E3 was THE talking point at the show, on these boards, on other boards around the world... not to mention classrooms, offices and around family dinner tables. The game just promised it would be 150% awesome. In fact, from what I'd gathered around here, the original was in the same area of awesomeness...
After a week, I already feel misled. Things that impress me about Halo: levels load nice and fast, and are at times very large and very pretty. The way the game loads and saves during progress is nigh on unnoticable. Being restricted to carrying two weapons at any one time and being able to expend ammunition is thrilling stuff... Cortana's dialogue on enemy/ally movements in the heat of battle is cool too. It is, at times, engrossing. The co-operative element is fab fun, but I don't always have someone else to play with, nor particularly want to sometimes. The warthog is a little weird to control, but once you grasp it, it's quite intuitive and fun. Here's what I don't like: I personally find the character design uninspired and a bit ugly. The blacks, purples and jagged looking armour and weaponry isn't something I'm that fond of in footage of Metroid Prime 2 echoes either... it's almost a bit Unreal-esque, or like something from other generic FPS like, y'know, the one beginning with "D". Which that reviewer probably threw in there for attention whoring emphasis of course.
BUT, it's not a gripe that makes or breaks a game for me. The cutscenes look a little dated, and I've been spoiled by Halo 2 footage in this regard I think, along with scenes in other games. I hate repeating actions - one example from one area in the game: drive warthog to survivors, kill everything that attacks, drive warthog to survivors, kill everything that attacks, repeat. I hate corridors that look the same, and horde after horde of faceless enemies. But other than that - I can see that this game has potential to impress me yet. A friend in work said I should enjoy the final level... something he said he can't say about the last level of Halo 2. In fact he sounds pretty bored, and it's really sad to hear coming from someone who along with his friends convinced me that this game would be worth buying my Xbox for.
Chronicles of Riddick, I have enjoyed so far (I'm upto the mines). It's not perfect either. Load times are laborious and really makes dying that much more annoying for example. However in other areas this game has come out of the wide blue yonder, straight out of leftfield, <insert cliché> and totally knocked my socks off. The graphics are fantastic, some of the best I've seen on Xbox.. there's a real sense of ultra-violence in the fighting system, it's not only fun to watch but it's totally fluid - good to play and take in. The interactivity reminds me of my other favourite FPS and stealth games. Games like Half Life, Metal Gear Solid and Splinter Cell. The world, story and the voicework is all enjoyable stuff. And aside from what I personally think has so far been a compelling first person mode, there's also online multiplayer which I can take advantage of in future.
Now, from what I gather: Halo 2's single player mode has suffered to the benefit of the multiplayer mode. While this is perhaps more true to Bungie's initial intentions for Halo, I can personally see why a lot of people feel screwed. Not everybody out there is a gaming elite, posting on messageboards... many don't pay videogame website subscriptions with money for Xbox Live left over. Only 5% or less of Xbox owners really can or currently are doing such things. And YET I recall that last week - the boldest analyst estimates were hoping for a Halo 2 take up numbering four or five times larger than the Xbox Live userbase. So why wouldn't the hardened focus on Xbox Live piss off some people? Some of those without credit cards for example... without broadband, without the desire for either, or what about those people who simply prefer offline gaming? They do exist shockingly enough. Obviously, I think it's wise that Microsoft used their biggest game to help push Xbox Live subscriptions -- but if it has come at a cost to the single player game, then I really think it stinks. It'll only stink up more if more compelling single player content turns up for download.
And most importantly: I think hype is damaging. Not damaging to sales of course -- no, we're seeing records broken there.... but damaging to our satisfactions. You see the biggest backlashes like these wherever there was hype. Without it you don't. Take Retro and Metroid Prime. A return of a Nintendo staple franchise that had been on sabbatical since the SNES, in some unknown American developers hands in a first person perspective? There was a collective "FUCK" across many in the Nintendo fanbase, and a severe drop in expectation, media involved. What emerged was one of the best games in that year. Halo too, without no precedent was receiving even greater glory with it's new fans. And Riddick, I feel, deserves praise too. But if you make games that people really, really love: like Halo or Metal Gear Solid... if you market them certain expectations, and from certain points of view - fail to deliver on them... well then you're contending with a higher fandom. People will lash out in anger at what's been done to their game. Look no further than bitter Nintendo fans angry at what they believe is Nintendo's inability to make games as good as their N64 predecessors (with whom I personally disagree). Look at the Ocarina of Time fans (some of whom probably won't want to even hear about another Zelda game without a horse and/or ocarina). Look at Star Wars fans. All very vociferous groups of people that form very high, clinical expectations in what they expect from given franchises. I think you can now place some Halo fans in this trend.
Then there's the people who bitch just for bitchings sake. To stand out.
The way I see it, all of the below things are probably coming into play -
* there are legitimate grievances with this game for some people,
* it's NOT the second coming to everyone,
* there is a hardcore Halo-fan element that's pissed off cos they didn't get exactly what they want,
* some people are moaning because quite simply they excel at moaning, especially about things that are or were once popular.
I bought an Xbox just over a week ago with Chronicles of Riddick and Halo. What made me buy the machine was the insane Halo 2 hype. All I'd read here and elsewhere was people gushing over the original, salivating over I love bees, just itching to get their hands on the next game. I'd watched the awesome trailer where Master Chief releases himself from the air lock and plummets towards an Earth the likes of which we'll hopefully never see in real life. A glorious bombastic wartorn scene of exhilarating destruction. The 8 minute demo at E3 was THE talking point at the show, on these boards, on other boards around the world... not to mention classrooms, offices and around family dinner tables. The game just promised it would be 150% awesome. In fact, from what I'd gathered around here, the original was in the same area of awesomeness...
After a week, I already feel misled. Things that impress me about Halo: levels load nice and fast, and are at times very large and very pretty. The way the game loads and saves during progress is nigh on unnoticable. Being restricted to carrying two weapons at any one time and being able to expend ammunition is thrilling stuff... Cortana's dialogue on enemy/ally movements in the heat of battle is cool too. It is, at times, engrossing. The co-operative element is fab fun, but I don't always have someone else to play with, nor particularly want to sometimes. The warthog is a little weird to control, but once you grasp it, it's quite intuitive and fun. Here's what I don't like: I personally find the character design uninspired and a bit ugly. The blacks, purples and jagged looking armour and weaponry isn't something I'm that fond of in footage of Metroid Prime 2 echoes either... it's almost a bit Unreal-esque, or like something from other generic FPS like, y'know, the one beginning with "D". Which that reviewer probably threw in there for attention whoring emphasis of course.
BUT, it's not a gripe that makes or breaks a game for me. The cutscenes look a little dated, and I've been spoiled by Halo 2 footage in this regard I think, along with scenes in other games. I hate repeating actions - one example from one area in the game: drive warthog to survivors, kill everything that attacks, drive warthog to survivors, kill everything that attacks, repeat. I hate corridors that look the same, and horde after horde of faceless enemies. But other than that - I can see that this game has potential to impress me yet. A friend in work said I should enjoy the final level... something he said he can't say about the last level of Halo 2. In fact he sounds pretty bored, and it's really sad to hear coming from someone who along with his friends convinced me that this game would be worth buying my Xbox for.
Chronicles of Riddick, I have enjoyed so far (I'm upto the mines). It's not perfect either. Load times are laborious and really makes dying that much more annoying for example. However in other areas this game has come out of the wide blue yonder, straight out of leftfield, <insert cliché> and totally knocked my socks off. The graphics are fantastic, some of the best I've seen on Xbox.. there's a real sense of ultra-violence in the fighting system, it's not only fun to watch but it's totally fluid - good to play and take in. The interactivity reminds me of my other favourite FPS and stealth games. Games like Half Life, Metal Gear Solid and Splinter Cell. The world, story and the voicework is all enjoyable stuff. And aside from what I personally think has so far been a compelling first person mode, there's also online multiplayer which I can take advantage of in future.
Now, from what I gather: Halo 2's single player mode has suffered to the benefit of the multiplayer mode. While this is perhaps more true to Bungie's initial intentions for Halo, I can personally see why a lot of people feel screwed. Not everybody out there is a gaming elite, posting on messageboards... many don't pay videogame website subscriptions with money for Xbox Live left over. Only 5% or less of Xbox owners really can or currently are doing such things. And YET I recall that last week - the boldest analyst estimates were hoping for a Halo 2 take up numbering four or five times larger than the Xbox Live userbase. So why wouldn't the hardened focus on Xbox Live piss off some people? Some of those without credit cards for example... without broadband, without the desire for either, or what about those people who simply prefer offline gaming? They do exist shockingly enough. Obviously, I think it's wise that Microsoft used their biggest game to help push Xbox Live subscriptions -- but if it has come at a cost to the single player game, then I really think it stinks. It'll only stink up more if more compelling single player content turns up for download.
And most importantly: I think hype is damaging. Not damaging to sales of course -- no, we're seeing records broken there.... but damaging to our satisfactions. You see the biggest backlashes like these wherever there was hype. Without it you don't. Take Retro and Metroid Prime. A return of a Nintendo staple franchise that had been on sabbatical since the SNES, in some unknown American developers hands in a first person perspective? There was a collective "FUCK" across many in the Nintendo fanbase, and a severe drop in expectation, media involved. What emerged was one of the best games in that year. Halo too, without no precedent was receiving even greater glory with it's new fans. And Riddick, I feel, deserves praise too. But if you make games that people really, really love: like Halo or Metal Gear Solid... if you market them certain expectations, and from certain points of view - fail to deliver on them... well then you're contending with a higher fandom. People will lash out in anger at what's been done to their game. Look no further than bitter Nintendo fans angry at what they believe is Nintendo's inability to make games as good as their N64 predecessors (with whom I personally disagree). Look at the Ocarina of Time fans (some of whom probably won't want to even hear about another Zelda game without a horse and/or ocarina). Look at Star Wars fans. All very vociferous groups of people that form very high, clinical expectations in what they expect from given franchises. I think you can now place some Halo fans in this trend.
Then there's the people who bitch just for bitchings sake. To stand out.
The way I see it, all of the below things are probably coming into play -
* there are legitimate grievances with this game for some people,
* it's NOT the second coming to everyone,
* there is a hardcore Halo-fan element that's pissed off cos they didn't get exactly what they want,
* some people are moaning because quite simply they excel at moaning, especially about things that are or were once popular.
sonycowboy said:
Seriously, what does logic have to do with a person's subjective take on something? I think a person's body of work speaks to -- at the very least -- whether I'm on the same page as them. I can tell you right now from the perspective of review score and content, I'm not on the same page as this guy, who apparently prefers Tribes Aerial Assault and NASCAR 2003.
"I LOVE HALO BUT SONY AND NINTENDO SUCKS! MICROSOFT RULES!"
"Well this guy's a Microsoft fanboy."
"TEH LOGICAL FALLACY!"
sonycowboy said:
As much as I admire the attempt, this isn't really a logical fallacy as presented. It's a series of facts that the individual is using to support his case. In this example, the individual is saying that Halo 2 was rated below all those "other" games, and since those other games are clearly inferior, this person's opinion isn't valid.
An example of that logical fallacy would be later on, if this reviewer gives Metroid Prime 2 a bad review, pointing to the same list / Halo 2 example and then saying "because this person's review of Halo 2 was terrible, we can't trust anything they might say about Metroid Prime 2" - even then it is subjective if that really is "poisoning the well", because the whole argument would relate to their review scores, which are certainly relevant to the discussion at hand.
sonycowboy
Member
SickBoy said:
Then why not attack his review? Surely, there must be numerous points that are completely groundless. Going after his previous reviews, in no way, addresses the points he makes in his review.
sonycowboy
Member
Nerevar said:
[side-track discussion]
I'd agree that they could definitely be a component of trying to determine a person's position, but the original poster:
1) never read the previous reviews
2) never played the games reviewed
3) didn't address the review itself.
4) Is starting from an assumption that Halo 2 is great, and using that as a reason to discredit the previous reviews (another logical fallacy
)He clearly just did a search of the person's previous reviews, pulled the ones that would strengthen his position and used it as ammunition to discredit the reviewer. That's exactly what that logical fallacy is all about.
[/side-track discussion]
sonycowboy
Member
PhatSaqs said:
They're averaging the 8.9 and the 7.6 for the same game on the Gamefaq's site thanks to pressure from the Halobots. :lol
PhatSaqs said:
I haven't defended a damn thing. I'm taking the people to task who are attacking it merely because it's a low score. I said before that the reviewer seemed to be taking a cheap shot by mentioning Daikatana at the same time. This review crap bashing is really pathetic, with the whole fixation on the Gamerankings position. The same people that are bashing the review are the ones saying "NumBER 1 all time!!!"
sonycowboy said:1) never read the previous reviews
2) never played the games reviewed
3) didn't address the review itself.
4) Is starting from an assumption that Halo 2 is great, and using that as a reason to discredit the previous reviews (another logical fallacy
Well, sonycowboy, that's a number of generalizations you've made without any evidence to support yourself. How do you know if he played those games? How do you know that he didn't read the reviews? It sounds to me like you're guilty of a few logical fallacies yourself.
sonycowboy
Member
Nerevar said:
Uhhhh, because he said he didn't?
SickBoy said:
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