Geekerwan got a Switch 2 motherboard early and did a full die shot analysis of T239 with help from Kurnal

GigaBowser said:
so good couldnt see dlss and said switch 2 to week to run it ahahahahaha

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you're still on your DF Derangement Syndrom trip I see.
 
ShaiKhulud1989 said:
Some reality check for sure. 1500 CUDA cores vs 2500 in 3050 so don't put a lot of faith in DLSS beyond FHD.

That being said it is floating more or less around Steam Deck level of performance.
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It looks more similar to the MX570. It is a GPU already designed for low consumption.

Ampere Architecture
2048 CUDA cores
FP32 - 4.731 TFLOPS
Memory Bus - 64 bit
Bandwidth - 96.00 GB/s
Base Clock - 832 MHz
Boost Clock - 1155 MHz

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NVIDIA GeForce MX570 Specs

NVIDIA GA107S, 1155 MHz, 2048 Cores, 64 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 2048 MB GDDR6, 1500 MHz, 64 bit
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It obviously suffers more due to the lack of VRAM.

 
kevboard said:
literally every single Nvidia RTX GPU is capable of every single DLSS version.
you can run DLSS4 on an RTX2060 if you want to.

this actually doesn't change anything...
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The efficiency and features set are not the same… There's a improvement on every new gen.
 
Dr.D00p said:
So, Digital Foundrys analysis, insisting it was a 8nm part and performance estimates, using a heavily downclocked RTX 2050 GPU, was pretty much spot on...well done, Mr Richard Leadbetter!
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Actually, no. RTX 20 series uses Touring architecture that's two gen older than Lovelace available the RTX 40 series.
 
LordOcidax said:
This is everything you need to know. Switch is capable of DLSS 3.0… The secret sauce of the Switch 2.

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Baemono said:
The leaks of the Matrix demo mentioned DLSS 3.1
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Well, this is something I don't get... Nvidia just decided to ditch OFA for FG after Switch 2 was designed and there's also FSR FG which is equally good so I don't think Ada features are still required for that

LordOcidax said:
Lovelace is no slightly better is Way better… The CPU is way better too, the issue with the 8-10nm is going to be the power consumption in handheld mode. Other than that is this leaks are true, i better than the leak that we have before. If the GPU is Lovelace architecture over Ampere is a solid Win…
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Chip printed date says its design is from 2021 tho, are we sure Ada was ready enough by then to secure it being so dominant over Ampere in T239?
 
LordOcidax said:
The efficiency and features set are not the same… There's a improvement on every new gen.
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there's no difference in performance between DLSS 2.0 and DLSS 3.0 on any RTX GPU that I know of.

so it literally doesn't change anything. doesn't matter if you run DLSS 2.x or DLSS 3.x on an RTX2060 or 2080 etc., the performance will be the same or have a negligible differences. only the quality will differ.

imagine how annoying it would be on PC if these version differences had any real impact on performance. you'd have to manually swap out the DLSS .dll file to adjust your performance every time a game ships with dlss 3.x

the only way to impact performance meaningfully is when using the DLSS4 transformer model instead of the CNN model.
 
LordOcidax said:
Remember that Nvidia confirmed is a custom made GPU specifically made for the Switch 2.
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Yes, and the printed year says 2021, so unless that means nothing at all, I'd say Ampere is the base and Ada features are complementing it.

Edit: And BTW if Ada was the base why would it have anything from Ampere? It makes no sense, except the above being the actual case.
 
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Very cool! Interesting that it has a more Ada Lovelace like layout than other Ampere chips. I wonder if it has some of the efficiency gains from that later design.
 
Kataploom said:
Yes, and the printed year says 2021, so unless that means nothing at all, I'd say Ampere is the base and Ada features are complementing it.

Edit: And BTW if Ada was the base why would it have anything from Ampere? It makes no sense, except the above being the actual case.
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Only Nvidia knows that because is a CUSTOM MADE GPU, so, there's nothing comparable in the market. So, using GPUs available in the market to compare is a waste of time.
 
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Nothing very new. Most of those specs were known for months/years.
A bit more than a PS4 in portable mode with a better CPU, 2/3 of a series S in docked mode with a worse CPU but more RAM...

But with a very modern feature set, allowing it to punch way above its weight. Good stuff overall, especially considering the diminishing returns in visuals this generation. I hope that they'll keep on upgrading dlss on this machine, and I wouldn't be surprised if traded blows with the Series S once developers get more familiar with it.
 
Boy bawang said:
Nothing very new. Most of those specs were known for months/years.
A bit more than a PS4 in portable mode with a better CPU, 2/3 of a series S in docked mode with a worse CPU but more RAM...

But with a very modern feature set, allowing it to punch way above its weight. Good stuff overall, especially considering the diminishing returns in visuals this generation. I hope that they'll keep on upgrading dlss on this machine, and I wouldn't be surprised if traded blows with the Series S once developers get more familiar with it.
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This… Lovelace is the news here.

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Mr Moose said:
The architecture is still Ampere though. Or are you ignoring the video for some reason?
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Even is Ampere based with Lovelace features set (Custom made) is way better than current gen console GPUs … The Switch 2 can punch above his weight. And that was i expected since the beginning, PS4 handheld and PS4 Pro/Series S docked.
 
LordOcidax said:
Even is Ampere based with Lovelace features set (Custom made) is way better than current gen console GPUs … The Switch 2 can punch above his weight. And that was i expected since the beginning, PS4 handheld and PS4 Pro/Series S docked.
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Current gen aren't PS4.
 
Mr Moose said:
You aren't making any sense. AMD APUs in the current gen consoles support frame gen, that's the feature that 40XX has over 30XX (and this is a custom Ampere GPU).
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AMD frame gen is software based frame interpolation, Nvidia is hardware based… Something like FSR vs DLSS. That's means that Nvidia uses the tensor cores for that job not the CPU.
 
Compared to the Switch 1 we're getting a roughly 7x GPU improvement in docked mode and 7.5x improvement in handheld mode:

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ShaiKhulud1989 said:
Some reality check for sure. 1500 CUDA cores vs 2500 in 3050 so don't put a lot of faith in DLSS beyond FHD.

That being said it is floating more or less around Steam Deck level of performance.
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Going by Star Wars outlaws it's a little stronger than the deck in handheld, and a lot stronger when docked
 
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