Geekerwan got a Switch 2 motherboard early and did a full die shot analysis of T239 with help from Kurnal
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Klosshufvud
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That 7W power limitation on a 20W battery is just too limiting. It's so much potential horsepower going to waste because Nintendo hates batteries that aren't microscopic in size. Even small ass units like GPD Win Mini and AyaNeo 2 sport a 40Wh+battery. That gap between handheld and docked could've been way closer. Right now it's struggling even against the 2022 SD in raw performance (although DLSS will put it ahead).Compared to the Switch 1 we're getting a roughly 7x GPU improvement in docked mode and 7.5x improvement in handheld mode:
MrTroubleMaker
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surprising info
LordOcidax
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Compared to PS4 this is a bit better than i expected in handheld mode, and way better in docked… He should include the PS4 Pro in the next comparison chart. With DLSS and console optimization the Switch 2 is going to have amazing results. *Based on GPU/CPU leaked speed. Also great to hear that the CPU is not going to be an issue for the Switch 2.
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Zathalus
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They never claimed the Switch 2 can't run DLSS, the actual claim was that it will struggle to upscale to 4k, but 1080p would be fine, and 1440p a maybe. Also, the very first direct they did after the reveal was that they think Hitman uses DLSS.so good couldnt see dlss and said switch 2 to week to run it ahahahahaha
I've highlighted the relevant section from the transcript for you:
I'm not really sure how some have twisted the fact that DF said they couldn't spot DLSS in most games from the limited footage they had, to DF claims DLSS is confirmed to not be in use and the Switch 2 cannot run it.
GigaBowser
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couldnt see dlss till cdpr confirm now he sees in all ahahahaha
Haint
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I've already told y'all this thing was genuinely the Switch 1 Pro probably targeting Holiday '21 or 1H '22. But ballooning wafer prices and chip shortages spooked the fuck out of the Miser King Nintendo, who decided to sit on it for years and release it as a fake Switch 2 on a now deprecated node they could get for fire sale pricing.
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Zathalus
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Because they didn't have access to actual direct footage, or even high quality press release. They were trying to analyze the same brief, low quality footage that was uploaded to YouTube. They also never claimed it wasn't present, just that they couldn't pick it up, and they needed confirmation (which they got), or they needed better footage. Somehow, people started running that as DF "confirmed" DLSS was missing and the Switch 2 couldn't use it.
But anyway, you claimed DF said the Switch 2 was too weak to run DLSS, when they actually claimed the opposite. In fact, they actually made that claim well before the Switch 2 was revealed when they tested with a down clocked 2050 several months ago.
LordOcidax
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Lol, this thing is more powerful than PS4 in handheld and probably is going to outperform the PS4 Pro docked… What you expected?. Its a handheld. Also without any optimization/DLSS is 7X stronger than the Switch… Not even the PS5 is 7X stronger than the PS4 Pro. If this is a Switch 1.5 the PS5 is a PS4 Pro 2.
Shadowstar39
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You all complaining you do realize if they made something stronger it would cost way more money, especially with tariffs and tsmc being tied up.
This ensures easier production. It's also a huge jump up from Tegra x1 and maxwell gpu, to a 8 core modern arm cpu and Ampre gpu (even if low end).
It will be better than the steam deck as games and engines will be built to it, not like sd where its just patched or emulated with proton after the fact.
Anyone who thought you could get a xbox series s in a handheld at that size, made by Nintendo, and have it last more than 1 hour battery life, with a $500 price tag is delusional.
Its a handheld. Shit having ps4 power is fine for me. I get it there are some who treat nintendo consoles like they are the snes, but those days are over. Nintendo switch is hybrid and good, we get games we don't get on the qhd twins on the Nintendo platforms.
This ensures easier production. It's also a huge jump up from Tegra x1 and maxwell gpu, to a 8 core modern arm cpu and Ampre gpu (even if low end).
It will be better than the steam deck as games and engines will be built to it, not like sd where its just patched or emulated with proton after the fact.
Anyone who thought you could get a xbox series s in a handheld at that size, made by Nintendo, and have it last more than 1 hour battery life, with a $500 price tag is delusional.
Its a handheld. Shit having ps4 power is fine for me. I get it there are some who treat nintendo consoles like they are the snes, but those days are over. Nintendo switch is hybrid and good, we get games we don't get on the qhd twins on the Nintendo platforms.
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
dlss in footage day ZERO many peoples seed it
Zathalus
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Who else did analysis to prove it used DLSS before CDPR confirmed it?
LordOcidax
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I think nobody expected Series S performance in handheld mode…
GigaBowser
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Zathalus
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That video was posted 22 hours ago. Anyone can claim anything in hindsight. Do you have any good analysis from over 2 weeks ago, that indeed showed proof it was using DLSS before CDPR confirmed as such?
LordOcidax
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A lot of people, DF is playing the guessing game when it comes to Switch 2 games resolutions at this point.
Mr Moose
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Haint
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An actual contemporary Nvidia SOC (not a 5 year old one) on a contemporary node (not a 5 year old one) would match or surpass PS5. And of course you and everyone reading this is well aware the existing Switch 2 GPU is not even operating within in the same stratosphere as PS4 Pro.
kevboard
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what an incredibly stupid thing to say
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
that just new vid he say almost a MONTH before df
LordOcidax
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How Nintendo can release a system with a contemporary Nvidia SOC by next month… At $450?? Use the logic please.
Zathalus
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LordOcidax
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Go and read the comments section and watch a few videos of people playing the game in the show floor… Was obvious.
3rd parties are saying otherwise
Mr Moose
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LordOcidax
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This is the fun part… Did some people really expected that the Switch 2 was going to use 2025 tech or something? The Switch 2 having Lovelace features is way better than a lot of people really expected.
memoryman3
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This definitely was never the Switch Pro. A hypothetical Switch Pro would need to be 100% compatible with all existing Switch titles and Switch 2 just doesn't deliver that.
Haint
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Do huh now? Are you implying consoles have to use half decade old designs and nodes to exist? I'm saying they should have either released or trashed this Switch Pro SOC years ago and commissioned Nvidia (years ago, not last month) for an actual next-gen SOC with a 2025 target. What are you even talking about, who are you responding to?
Kataploom
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Only the design is 2021, imo the chip wasn't actually ready if Ada wasn't ready at production level so it's more 2022 tech imoThis is the fun part… Did some people really expected that the Switch 2 was going to use 2025 tech or something? The Switch 2 having Lovelace features is way better than a lot of people really expected.
Zathalus
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If it was so obvious then obviously it would be easy to find some analysis of DLSS. Random YouTube comments hardly count either. Anyone can claim anything there.
DF did something similar as well, they tested an under clocked 2050 and came to the conclusion the Switch 2 should be able to upscale to 1080p with DLSS. They were unsure of 1440p, and 4K is almost certainly not going to happen.
They did this all 1.5 years ago:
So DF claimed the Switch 2 should be using DLSS with some actual analysis back in 2023. But because they couldn't spot its use in some YouTube footage and were unsure of where it was being used (so reached out to CDPR), suddenly a lot of people damn lost their minds.
I mean, this article shows the Switch 2 GPU is weaker than the PS4 (obviously better CPU and feature set with more RAM) and around the Steam Deck level, proving DFs claim about relative GPU power spot on.
LordOcidax
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Exactly… And that's not bad at all.
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GigaBowser
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LordOcidax
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For a handheld this specs are not lacking at all.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
Hero_Select
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It outperforms PS4 in handheld, PS4 Pro in docked and has modern features.
Are people really expecting PS5 performance on a handheld?
DonF
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There is no way that switch 2 is going to be the best place to play third party games, unless you want convenience and on the go.
SirTerry-T
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So what this in Gamecubes a.k.a the internationally recognised unit for measuring Nintendo hardware power?
Haint
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According to the Cerny ASMR's, PS4 and 5 Pro also had compatability issues Sony had to correct behind the scenes, which Nintendo would have done as well. Many issues are likely being caused by all the new features, security, and OS changes that wouldn't have existed as a Pro console.
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Alebrije
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if Switch 2 is easier than Switch 1 to port games to and is good enough to run them at 30fps 1080p then is good enough for 3rd parties and a lot of people, they have PC for people like you. And if they put cross save, then Switch 2 is a good way to play your PC/PS5 games on the go like cyberpunk
LordOcidax
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We went from
BTW… This was my prediction in that thread
With almost the same specs but without Lovelace NEWS… But now this Specs are bad…
BTW… This was my prediction in that thread
The reply to my post are now gold.
At 10W? Not even close. N1 is 45W on 3nm and it's around half the performance of the PS5.
LordOcidax
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3 years is half a decade? Damn
LordOcidax
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No, they are just moving the goalpost because the Switch 2 is not going be as weak as they expected… Now they are going to compare it with their 10 pounds consoles… Like i predicted… Lol, is not going to be as powerful as the PS4 to Lol is not powerful as the PS5…
Hero_Select
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Crazy thing is we already see games like Cyberpunk, Street Fighter, Yakuza, Hogwarts Legacy, etc etc, already running better than they did on PS4 Pro and in some cases better than XSS and it's still not enough.
I've been extremely impressed and happy with the power of the Switch 2 shown off so far. Prime 4 @4k looks so goddamn good.
LordOcidax
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Never is going to be enough for the consoles warriors for obvious reasons. For me i can't wait to see what devs can achieve with this hardware, but everything looks promising.
Haint
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Correct, it's a 5 year old design that's technically "3 or 4 years old" as a potential product because SOCs were a very limited and tertiary business/market for Nvidia.3 years is half a decade? Damn
Obviously I'm referring to docked mode, and yes, it would also be leaning heavily on DLSS to fill compute gaps.
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Fun fact, the 2 year old Rog Ally Z1 Extreme (that could routinely be found for base Switch 2's price) shatters these scores completely off the chart at nearly 2200 single core and nearly 10,000 multicore.
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FalconPunch
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Different does not necessarily mean better and in many of the Switch 2 cases, it's not. The switch 2 is underpowered af, even nintendo first party games are dropping frames. DK is a prime example of this. At the price the switch 2 is asking, you cannot be dropping to sub 25fps in cyberpunk and other games.