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[EDMIX]

Zero Dawn already has a PS5 patch.

Thats nice, doesn't have new models, wind and foliage tech, PS5 controller features, 3D audio etc. So....yea.

a 5 year old game.

nahhhh really? lol and?

We've seen games remastered from 1 year bud. No one really cares that never played it 5 years ago or something. Those that have PS5 that are new to the series can have the option, you can stick with the 60fps patch and others can choose not to buy it, the devs get more money, Sony gets more money, more funding for Horizon 3 currently in development.

None of that sounds stupid to me.

Its a win, win, win.

Cope.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Honest question, did you get HZD for free by Sony when it first came out or did they, you know ask for cash in exchange for it? (Grabs cash for game) lol...fucking disgusting, HOW DARE they expect money in return for a product, who do they think they are ? /s

This is business. So say this is "unnecessary" is to say all the other titles where "necessary" as if you are fucking dying without it or something, its a video game Kenneth and Sony is a business.

So...you've totally haven't given any logical or rational reason on why Sony shouldn't continue making remasters. this has been part of their business for decades.

So I don't see anything crappy about this any more then Ratchet collection or God Of War collection or God Of War 3 remaster or Sly collection or Uncharted collection or Ghost Of Tsushima directors cut etc. Its not crappy to make money, they are still after all a business and not your friend or something, enough with the fake moral bullshit. You clearly understand this is a company that seeks to make money and nothing here is some sudden, shocking or unheard of practice by them.

Stop being reasonable and logical! It's 2022, you should be moaning and bitching! Get with the times like everyone else and let the world know that evil Sony wants all your money. Evil Sony are forcing us to buy these remasters.

 

[skit_data]

Thank god it's just a remaster. Yeah it'll probably be like Spider-Man Remastered and in that case it's completely fine IMO. Hopefully there's a cheap upgrade option, if there's none I don't think I'll bother at all.

Edit: Although I find it a pretty pointless remaster it probably won't involve a lot of work or effort from Guerilla. The game will look way better by simply swapping out assets and water tech to the HFW equivalents.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

Honest question, did you get HZD for free by Sony when it first came out or did they, you know ask for cash in exchange for it? (Grabs cash for game) lol...fucking disgusting, HOW DARE they expect money in return for a product, who do they think they are ? /s

This is business. So say this is "unnecessary" is to say all the other titles where "necessary" as if you are fucking dying without it or something, its a video game Kenneth and Sony is a business.

So...you've totally haven't given any logical or rational reason on why Sony shouldn't continue making remasters. this has been part of their business for decades.

So I don't see anything crappy about this any more then Ratchet collection or God Of War collection or God Of War 3 remaster or Sly collection or Uncharted collection or Ghost Of Tsushima directors cut etc. Its not crappy to make money, they are still after all a business and not your friend or something, enough with the fake moral bullshit. You clearly understand this is a company that seeks to make money and nothing here is some sudden, shocking or unheard of practice by them.

I never said anyone was dying or made any drama, I am just saying what I think, this is a discussion forum dude, calm down. Some folks need to chill out really.

No it's not crappy to make money, I not once said that. I don't get what your argument is. I am well aware it is a business.

I don't have to give a reason why they shouldn't keep remastering or remaking, it is clearly working for them.

I bought the game full price at launch and then claimed it on ps plus a few years later. I also bought HFW at full price at launch, I have platinumed both the games.

I won't be buying the third at launch as whatever other AAA game launches beside it will be GOTY

Honestly I am not trying to enrage you or get you angry, I agree with the vast majority of what you say here, and I still only have a Playstation , I have other options if I am unhappy.

There's people outhere that never played HZD or HFW why wouldn't they do a PS5 version with improvements? Don't buy it. I'm one of horizon biggest fans here and I won't unless its really fucking good at a good price.


The PS5 patch doesn't use all PS5 features and it doesn't include new content.

I know, I am glad they will be able to experience this, for me personally it's just not a product I can get excited for.

 

[adamsapple]

Someone get Rachel Maddow on the phone

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

This is so dumb.

 

[Nautilus]

Tell that to Nintendo too. Full priced wii u ports that are still full price, even now.

Well, Nintendo manages to release dozens of actual new games almost every month, so I *think* its a bit different.

I wouldn't have such an issue if Sony had a more stable release schedule, with a good cadence of old and new games. But I guess that's just me.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Show us the list.

 

[ACESHIGH]

Honest question to younger GAF users (25 and under) Does this game look old to you? Maybe Sony did some research and concluded that younger audiences believe the game looks bad and a remaster is worth it. I can't believe these guys are remastering one of the best looking PS4 games that has a high frame rate patch and high res support.

If you want to remaster something start with BLOODBORNE.

 

[Nautilus]

There's people outhere that never played HZD or HFW why wouldn't they do a PS5 version with improvements? Don't buy it. I'm one of horizon biggest fans here and I won't unless its really fucking good at a good price.


The PS5 patch doesn't use all PS5 features and it doesn't include new content.

A remaster usually doesn't include new content, and we just had the sequel release in february, for anyone wanting more Horizon.

Again, it wouldn't be that much of an issue if Sony had actually new games releasing alongaide them. But there are few new games that we know of comming to PS5(from Sony) that really uses the PS5 capabilities to give new, exciting experiences, and we get this: a thin lauer of paint on a game that's still fresh on everyone's mind, and using dev resources making those ports instead of doing new stuff.

 

[Captain Toad]

Your shit deserves to leak. Get fucked.

Get a life

 

[Badlucktroll]

Show us the list.

Is Silent Hill on list?

 

[clarky]

Wait so the news is they have a list of leaks but dont say what they are? How is this news?

I also have a list of Sony games for the next few years, ill let you know what they are when other sites leaks them and confirm I already knew ages ago!

Show us or GTF.

 

[Nautilus]

Thats nice, doesn't have new models, wind and foliage tech, PS5 controller features, 3D audio etc. So....yea.

nahhhh really? lol and?

We've seen games remastered from 1 year bud. No one really cares that never played it 5 years ago or something. Those that have PS5 that are new to the series can have the option, you can stick with the 60fps patch and others can choose not to buy it, the devs get more money, Sony gets more money, more funding for Horizon 3 currently in development.

None of that sounds stupid to me.

Its a win, win, win.

Cope.

Apparently people do care, going by the ammount of replies to this thread.

If Sony had a good schedule of new games alongaide these cash grabs, it wouldn't be too much of a problem. But it doesn't, for now. All might change if Sony has a presentation next week, but at this moment, hard to get excited over a game that 20+ million people have already played, and only 5 years ago.

But sure, happy that you are excited to play this game for the fourth time.

 

[SlimySnake]

Lmao I hope someone leaks all their plans for the next decade.

Jim Ryan and Herman deserve it.

Wanna skip E3? Skip Summer game fest and literally every gaming convention in existence and replace it with NOTHING? No showcase, no communication.

Never address any rumours and just let them spiral out of control (abandoned, silent hill, now horizon remake).

Then raise prices worldwide without announcing a single new game since I can't even remember when

Your shit deserves to leak. Get fucked.

Amen. Had they held an E3 show or even a fucking September showcase, they wouldve controlled the narrative. But just like TLOU remake, theyve already lost the initiative due to the ridiculous secrecy that surrounds playstation titles.

 

[Frank Horrigan]

Hopefully this means that Sony conference is soon.

They haven't announced hardly any of what their main studios are working on. Their SoP from TGS dropped a few new bangers that few knew were coming.

On top of that we're still waiting for the full release line up of psvr2. So yeah, lots of leaks and announcements to come

 

[Topher]

Apparently people do care, going by the ammount of replies to this thread.

I wouldn't equate replies with truly "caring". Plenty of folks jump into these threads just to promote bullshit drama. Same shit that happens in Xbox threads.

 

[mortal]

Yea I fucking knew that Zero Dawn remake rumor was bullshit. In this case people were conflating remaster with remake.

 

[Gudji]

A remaster usually doesn't include new content, and we just had the sequel release in february, for anyone wanting more Horizon.

Again, it wouldn't be that much of an issue if Sony had actually new games releasing alongaide them. But there are few new games that we know of comming to PS5(from Sony) that really uses the PS5 capabilities to give new, exciting experiences, and we get this: a thin lauer of paint on a game that's still fresh on everyone's mind, and using dev resources making those ports instead of doing new stuff.

It includes co-op according to the leak so yeah new content/feature which will probably also be added on HFW rumored expansion. I also doubt they're using many resources to build the game, its probably a smaller team or an external studio that will have a minor impact in future content if at all.

Sony does have new games coming out tho. They release new games every single year but people seem to forget that.

 

[Nautilus]

I wouldn't equate replies with truly "caring". Plenty of folks jump into these threads just to promote bullshit drama. Same shit that happens in Xbox threads.

Eh, depends. I like PS, and I have owned one since the PS2. But I have to admit that the only reason that I'm picking up a PS5 is because of the japanese games, otherwise I would be Nintendo consoles exclusives. Few Sony games excite me anymore(Like God of War), and that's because of the push of a western/leftist vision for their games.

My criticism comes from a place of love, even if people wouldn't believe me

 

[RCU005]

People make a lot of drama for "knowing first".

Let's say an unannounced game is releasing in October 2023. What is the difference between knowing of its existence today and knowing it by March?

Is not like knowing about the game is going to come out sooner?

Why do people need to know everything, but then complain that they got a surprise spoiled, or a plot or whatnot?

To me personally, I would prefer if announcements were done 3 months before release. I don't need to know that a game is going to eventually be released 5-7 years from now.

Also, there are games that we all know they are coming, but people somehow need a confirmation in terms of announcement. Even if a developer/publisher has said that they are working on it (like KH4 for example).

 

[EDMIX]

I don't have to give a reason why they shouldn't keep remastering or remaking

I see, but get mad at the rational and logical post that actually explain why they should? smh.

I think its cause you know you don't really have any real valid point and its just anger or something...thats it. What would you say? How dare you make money? Making less money is good for them?

I've never understood this odd forced moral narrative that some gamers make as if they are not buying games for fun. You know you are giving them your money to buy a product, consider that remaster is for them to get money from others and not merely just you or something. No one needs to buy this remaster if they love HZD and enjoy their original copy, this version is for new comers as they still need to attract new consumers.

If getting a small team can do that, give them extra work while other projects are still being conceptualized, the publisher makes more money and new gamers get a copy with new features, new models, what exactly is bother you regarding this?

how does that even hurt you?

Don't buy it. Thats it. Move on. It wasn't made for you to buy 4 or 5 times, Sony is merely remasters, porting, remaking to continue getting consumers to join the PS family, thats it.

I would be like being upset a rerun of a show was on. Does the show not need the revenue? How would syndication hurt? If they make a Bluray boxset and you bought the DVD one, how would that hurt you? Why is that a big deal that the company is still marketing to new consumers?

So this is a personal, emotional or gatekeeping type thing. Its why many on here don't really have a valid point.

 

[Nautilus]

It includes co-op according to the leak so yeah new content/feature which will probably also be added on HFW rumored expansion. I also doubt they're using many resources to build the game, its probably a smaller team or an external studio that will have a minor impact in future content if at all.

Sony does have new games coming out tho. They release new games every single year but people seem to forget that.

TLOU Remake took almost 3 years to make. I would hardly call that level of remaster/remake as "Not taking too much time and resources".

Well, about the new gameserspective is important, so I'll believe new games will be comming, in a nice quantity, when I see it.

 

[Topher]

Eh, depends. I like PS, and I have owned one since the PS2. But I have to admit that the only reason that I'm picking up a PS5 is because of the japanese games, otherwise I would be Nintendo consoles exclusives. Few Sony games excite me anymore(Like God of War), and that's because of the push of a western/lefting vision for their games.

My criticism comes from a place of love, even if people wouldn't believe me

Sure. Nothing wrong with that. For the record, I wasn't talking about you.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

I see, but get mad at the rational and logical post that actually explain why they should? smh.

I think its cause you know you don't really have any real valid point and its just anger or something...thats it. What would you say? How dare you make money? Making less money is good for them?

I've never understood this odd forced moral narrative that some gamers make as if they are not buying games for fun. You know you are giving them your money to buy a product, consider that remaster is for them to get money from others and not merely just you or something. No one needs to buy this remaster if they love HZD and enjoy their original copy, this version is for new comers as they still need to attract new consumers.

If getting a small team can do that, give them extra work while other projects are still being conceptualized, the publisher makes more money and new gamers get a copy with new features, new models, what exactly is bother you regarding this?

how does that even hurt you?

Don't buy it. Thats it. Move on. It wasn't made for you to buy 4 or 5 times, Sony is merely remasters, porting, remaking to continue getting consumers to join the PS family, thats it.

I would be like being upset a rerun of a show was on. Does the show not need the revenue? How would syndication hurt? If they make a Bluray boxset and you bought the DVD one, how would that hurt you? Why is that a big deal that the company is still marketing to new consumers?

So this is a personal, emotional or gatekeeping type thing. Its why many on here don't really have a valid point.

I'm not angry man, honestly. I'm just presenting my opinion on a discussion forum, I'm not sure why you think I'm angry.

 

[remember_spinal]

I dont think theres much important or juicy info in the document or else you know the current crop of leakers would have done it by now. The snitch is saying in his discord its just the horizon stuff and a bunch of Codenames, like the death stranding one.

 

[Represent.]

Get a life

Here come the mega corporation apologists.

 

[Topher]

Lmao I hope someone leaks all their plans for the next decade.

Jim Ryan and Herman deserve it.

Wanna skip E3? Skip Summer game fest and literally every gaming convention in existence and replace it with NOTHING? No showcase, no communication.

Never address any rumours and just let them spiral out of control (abandoned, silent hill, now horizon remake).

Then raise prices worldwide without announcing a single new game since I can't even remember when

Your shit deserves to leak. Get fucked.

This is why I constantly say Jim Ryan sucks at PR. He probably doesn't even know all these rumors are circulating. Totally out of touch.

 

[remember_spinal]

This is why I constantly say Jim Ryan sucks at PR. He probably doesn't even know all these rumors are circulating. Totally out of touch.

Sounds like a healthy way to live.

He's probably eating a nice bean filled english breakfast while waiting for the Manchester United game to start while gamers are online having a meltdown about a remaster he greenlit while on the toiley

 

[Captain Toad]

Here come the mega corporation apologists.

If I said, "get fucked Xbox", I wouldn't have an account on GAF anymore.

I'm not sure why you think it's okay to say that about PlayStation and Sony.

 

[Calverz]

Prepare for disappointment

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

They have 25 games in development at minimum. You're telling me not a single one is ready to be announced? Really? Not one.

Did you forget when that statement was made? Since then we've already come to learn about a few of those games, like Spiderman 2 and Wolverine.

Companies comment on rumours all the time. It's very common and simple to just say "We have no plans for _____ at this time". They used to do it.

Well they did that for Sly Cooper and Infamous. I wish they hadn't.

Why should they reveal new games for this product I spent $750 Canadian on that just got a price increase? Really?

Those two things are not intrinsically linked.

I spent damn near $1000 on this product, I deserve to be kept in the loop via a showcase of what to look forwards to like EVERY OTHER gaming company on earth does. Except Sony lmao.

If you do 3-4 State of Plays coming to an hour or so, or one Showcase of the same length, don't they technically end up being the same thing? Would you rather them show up to Gamescon and show literally nothing, just being there for the sake of being there and doing updates that could've been done in a blog post?

I here you; I want a Showcase too, or a new PlayStation Experience. But don't act like they haven't shown literally anything for 2023 and even a bit beyond. Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin showings were literally last month xD.

If you cancel E3 appearances and all other gaming conventions and replace it with nothing I have the right to be annoyed.

Again, they've done multiple State of Plays this year, so they have "replaced" the E3s etc. with something, in theory. In practice most SOPs don't have the punch of a Showcase, and I definitely think they need a Showcase this year. But I'm not gonna pretend they've given us "absolutely nothing" so far, either. That'd be a straight up lie.

 

[AmuroChan]

People make a lot of drama for "knowing first".

Let's say an unannounced game is releasing in October 2023. What is the difference between knowing of its existence today and knowing it by March?

Is not like knowing about the game is going to come out sooner?

Why do people need to know everything, but then complain that they got a surprise spoiled, or a plot or whatnot?

To me personally, I would prefer if announcements were done 3 months before release. I don't need to know that a game is going to eventually be released 5-7 years from now.

Also, there are games that we all know they are coming, but people somehow need a confirmation in terms of announcement. Even if a developer/publisher has said that they are working on it (like KH4 for example).

I think some people really like the Marvel approach where they come out and just announce their entire slate of movies and TV shows for the next several years.

 

[Represent.]

If I said, "get fucked Xbox", I wouldn't have an account on GAF anymore.

I'm not sure why you think it's okay to say that about PlayStation and Sony.

:|

that would be an indictment on this place tbh.

Cuz no one would be banned for saying "apple get fucked".

I do t see an issue in telling some giant mega corporation to get fucked. It's not like I'm telling a fellow user to get fucked. That's personal. What I said isn't

 

[EDMIX]

I'm not angry man, honestly. I'm just presenting my opinion on a discussion forum, I'm not sure why you think I'm angry.

Look...when you say something like "it's totally unnecessary and another nickel and dime effort from Sony. They don't need people to defend them for every crappy decision they make."

This might be what would cause someone to believe you are angry, upset, bitter, mad etc. Clearly none of that sounds like you are ok with this, yet you also provide zero rational behind it, yet have all these negative post about those that actually answer with a logical reason why we might see this.

I'm not even buying this game, but I'm also tired of this weird mindset that everything being made MUST be for you or something, its for those who are new the IP, likely from that show coming out or new to PS5 in general. Its not to "nickel and dime" as is the PS5 not BC to PS4? smh.

This isn't to "nickel and dime" you as why make a update for free for 60fps? Why not put the remaster out then and avoid the update if it was to "nickel and dime" you? So they still need money to run those teams, you have BC to not buy this version and I don't see making money as a crappy decision. You may not state you are mad, but your comments don't sound happy or rational either (but shit neither do mine lolz)

 

[remember_spinal]

I think some people really like the Marvel approach where they come out and just announce their entire slate of movies and TV shows for the next several years.

They like it in the short term, but after teh 2nd year of only hearing about those same games again the same complaints start to stir up. The only thing that can truly satiate gamers appetites for hype is to announce a new slate of brand new games every.single.year. Maybe twice a year.

I will never forget during the ps4 generation how the last E3 sony had features ghost of Tsushima, Death Stranding, God of War, Dreams, Spider-man, Resident evil 2 remake and a bunch of big 3rd party games and people were saying how disappointed they were, because they all had gameplay or announcements before.

 

[darkangel-212559]

Can't you REMASTER it with a patch instead of finding an excuse to ask for 70$? It is a 2017 game. It is perfectly playable.

Because Sony are gonna Sony. They set the precedent for charging that amount for this gen, why would they go back on it?

 

[AmuroChan]

They like it in the short term, but after teh 2nd year of only hearing about those same games again the same complaints start to stir up. The only thing that can truly satiate gamers appetites for hype is to announce a new slate of brand new games every.single.year. Maybe twice a year.

I will never forget during the ps4 generation how the last E3 sony had features ghost of Tsushima, Death Stranding, God of War, Dreams, Spider-man, Resident evil 2 remake and a bunch of big 3rd party games and people were saying how disappointed they were, because they all had gameplay or announcements before.

There's not a one size fit all solution that's going to satiate everybody. People are just going to have to accept that.

 

[Evil Calvin]

So Horizon will be a free upgrade?

 

[remember_spinal]

There's not a one size fit all solution that's going to satiate everybody. People are just going to have to accept that.

Right, and its probably overall more healthy for their internal studios if they don't announce the games earlier than need be anymore. It just puts more pressure on devs to constantly deliver more content and market the game at the same time.

Let the devs get close to a finished product before we start the timer on marketing and launch hype. Really hoping for a 1-1.5 year gap from announcement to launch right now

 

[EDMIX]

Because Sony are gonna Sony. They set the precedent for charging that amount for this gen, why would they go back on it?

True.

If its just a remaster, it will probably be $39.99 if they go by what they did with Spiderman, but if its a Directors Cut type thing like what we saw from Ghost Of Tsushima, like if it has the MP content and something else, I can see it being full price then with some upgrade path for those who own the original or something as I'm 99% sure some path existed for Ghost Of Tsushima, but I don't remember lol

Well...I am getting a PS5 on the 28th, maybe I should look up that upgrade path as I might want to play that DLC and those new PS5 features lol

Maybe.

remember_spinal True. I love how Fallout 4 was revealed. Teaser, trailer, out before the ending of the year lol I don't mind a long marketing tail, but I'm also ok with the shotgun approach. Show it to me when its actually a real game lol

Nautilus I see why some might be upset, but I still see it as a irrational reaction. No one needs to buy this version if they already have it.

Also The Last Of Us remake taking 3 years might have more to do with the issues the previous team had then anything else and the amount working on it wasn't stopping titles they already had in development. Would be like thinking Bluepoint games making Uncharted collection is hurting Uncharted 4 or something or The Last Of Us 2 when they are not the same things, not the same teams etc. Example, The Last Of Us 2 took 7 years to make and over 2000 plus developers working on it, for all we know part 3's engine is still being made, thus what would the programmers and other staff REALLY be doing on part 3 right now? It would make sense to have them work on the remake, work, learn the hardware and when the engine is done, the rest of the team joins them and can start working.

How can they work on that prior if no engine exist yet? Lay em off? smh

btw I'm not buying this game..... the comment I'm making is based on why they might do this, not based on me buying it or something like that.

I first heard about this weird rotation thing from art artist who worked at Ubisoft. Prior that job, they only worked on project to project type things, when the worked at Ubisoft, they were cycled from different games within the series or company or something, but Sony and a few other publishers do the same thing as to retain talent. So if a game engine is being made, why would it help Sony to lay off all those people? Wouldn't it make more sense to just keep em before The Last Of Us 2 ships, ok the development of the remake before their roles are done with Part 2 and then when the remake is done, move to part 3 as the engine would be complete?

 

[Putonahappyface]

Please don't let remasters and remakes be the norm for next gen.

 

[SlimySnake]

Document leaked. From 4chan via era.

 

[skit_data]

Document leaked. From 4chan via era.

Interesting to see some new IPs there at least. Ballistic Moon using Decima for their game is interesting.

 

[Putonahappyface]

See what happens when you buy unnecessary remakes like LOU for PS5? Now were gonna get this shit all the time

I can foresee it now, remakes and remasters shovelled out to the masses throughout this new generation.

Money for old rope and new and casual players will lap it up.

 

[Putonahappyface]

Document leaked. From 4chan via era.

I'll take the Horizon Forbidden West DLC.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Document leaked. From 4chan via era.

LmAO so that's where that fake ass Dusk Golem got his info from.

 

[EDMIX]

Interesting to see some new IPs there at least. Ballistic Moon using Decima for their game is interesting.

Same.

I want to know what all that is about lol

 

[SlimySnake]

LmAO so that's where that fake ass Dusk Golem got his info from.

Dusk has info not shown here.

 

[reksveks]

Camden will be The Getaway reboot imo