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[Ladekabel]

I'd add my new Landesmutti Manuela Schwesig to that list, there was some discussion about her role in MV being a test run for higher tasks and Merkel seems to like her. The general population is certainly less negatively biased towards her than towards people like De Maiziere or von der Leyen.

Isn‘t Schwesig SPD?

She is.

 

[venomenon]

Isn‘t Schwesig SPD?

Erm, right. Bear with me, it's friday afternoon

So used to a grand coalition that it doesn't feel like it makes a difference whether the SPD or CDU is the major partner.

 

[Bedameister]

EDIT: duh

 

[PdotMichael]

Economy is good, most people have work, Merkel more than once showed she’s willing to take liberal positions and isn’t a classic conservative.

Overall things aren’t looking too bad for us and in a world full of Trump and May there isn’t much appetite for change.

She lucked out with the economy which helped her massively early on.

I don't believe that Merkel even once took a real own position, when she is gone people will ask what is even left from 16 years Merkel.

 

[Frankfurter]

Not specifically Islam, but yes that is a problem too. The softness on religion and beliefs into religious freedoms has created all kinds of parallel society issues.
The values of the Rechtsstaat are slowly being eroded. "Its a culture thing" should not be an out to not have to adhere to marriage rules among many other things.
I feel the new conservatism in Europe has doubled down on the "Christian roots" instead of trying to steer society away from all of this. I wish there was one mainstream party that would do a step forward and distance themselves from all religious notions.

Schroeder didn't swear on the Bible in 1998 for example but since then it all went backward. (not saying Schroeder is a shining bright light, btw, the way he is tangled up in Rosneft and the Nordstream pipeline is absolutely intolerable. Almost a reason in itself to not vote SPD, even though Schulz tried to distance himself from it somewhat.

? What exactly are talking about in terms of marriage rules?

Merkel didn't swear on the Bible either, so I'm not quite sure what your point is.

What exactly went backwards?

 

[Xando]

I don't believe that Merkel even once took a real own position, when she is gone people will ask what is even left from 16 years Merkel.

Whether or not it’s her position there were some major decisions during her time as chancellor.

Energiewende, no more conscription, refugee crisis or same sex marriage.

Merkel is a clever politician which blurs the lines between public opinion and her decisions. That’s why the SPD has it so hard.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

Tbh i think once Merkel is gone we‘ll have a SPD chancellor for atleast 10 years.

CDU really has no one else and SPD is itching to make a comeback

As others said, people are voting for Merkel not the CDU

The latest results in Saarland and Schleswig-Holstein, both won by two rather unfameless CDU politicians, tell another story.

And it's not like SPD has a dozen of next Schröders in the pipeline as well.

 

[anonymous_abc]

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[Dictator93]

No of course not. But I also don't want to be governed by the CDU/CSU for the rest of my life.

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[Dr.Acula]

4 Stimmen fuer Gruen aus den USA.

Oh no, you got your Bundestagswahl, I'm so sorry.

(what is that I don't speak German?)

 

[Xando]

Still haven't received my voting papers but people in the US have? dafug?

 

[anonymous_abc]

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[Muffin1611]

Still haven't received my voting papers but people in the US have? dafug?

Same Oo

 

[anonymous_abc]

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[Fritz]

The latest results in Saarland and Schleswig-Holstein, both won by two rather unfameless CDU politicians, tell another story.

And it's not like SPD has a dozen of next Schröders in the pipeline as well.

they only employ hypetrains as candidates

4 Stimmen fuer Gruen aus den USA.

Good on ya, ruining the country from abroad


<3

 

[PdotMichael]

Whether or not it's her position there were some major decisions during her time as chancellor.

Energiewende, no more conscription, refugee crisis or same sex marriage.

Merkel is a clever politician which blurs the lines between public opinion and her decisions. That's why the SPD has it so hard.

And two of your listed things were run into the wall because they were carried without ideological base. It isn't even Realpolitik but a big of nothing. Also she never changed her opinion about same sex marriage, one could argue that was one of the few times she showed her true political face.

 

[anonymous_abc]

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[Patrick Bateman]

And it's not like SPD has a dozen of next Schröders in the pipeline as well.

Thank God they don't.

 

[Maedre]

The SPD has in their current situation no chance to stand out. They need to get out of the Groko and stay for one legislation in the opposition. Then they will be able to gain shares.

 

[Fritz]

The SPD has in their current situation no chance to stand out. They need to get out of the Groko and stay for one legislation in the opposition. Then they will be able to gain shares.

So that is Schulz' plan!

 

[Bitch Pudding]

New results from ZDF Politbarometer today:

Thank God they don't.

Well, at least they have an Eifel Yeti.

 

[Oersted]

Its worth noting how much the failure of CSU is getting attention. Aka zero attention.

The one and only things they got trough are car toll and the "stay at home, wife!" money. The latter is already dead.

They really don't belong on a national stage.

 

[anonymous_abc]

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[Linkyn]

Poor Greens. :-(

Their election posters are so bad. Merkel can do a feel-good- preelection but the opposition should carry out a more provocative campaign with pictures that show the consequences of global warming and shocking facts (far more people die by polluted air and germs in hospitals than by murder).

My brother and I were joking about this yesterday. The font colour makes for very poor legibility (despite the fact that some of the slogans are at least decent), so they're rather hard to absorb when driving by them.

He was speculating that maybe that's by design, in order to motivate people to drive less.

 

[hanspampel]

Wahl-O-Mat not online yet, but this site is

 

[chadskin]

Ampel!

Needs more foreign policy questions though, e.g. on NATO, Russia/Ukraine, Afghanistan, Trump, Brexit ...

 

[Bitch Pudding]

 

[Linkyn]

Interesting. I would personally consider myself more of a fiscal centrist (maybe the union is more conservative than I give them credit for). No surprise at being so close to B90, though - I tend to align with their views outside of a few issues (FTAs, nuclear power, etc.). I suspect that questions on some of their stances on foreign issues might have pushed me further away from them.

 

[Muffin1611]

About what I expected.

 

[Xando]

About what i expected. Fiscally more conservative but socially more progressive

 

[hobblygobbly]

I align with SPD's platform actually...

 

[ElTorro]

Kinda accurate. Although I wonder what their definition of "socially progressive" is and what a party would look like that would sit in the top-right corner.

 

[Pluto]

I'm way more socially conservative than I expected

 

[Xando]

Kinda accurate. Although I wonder what their definition of "socially progressive" is and what a party would look like that would sit in the top-right corner.

Probably something like in the direction of En Marche?

Can't really think of any other example.

 

[Irminsul]

That y axis doesn't make any sense. In what way is Die Linke the most socially progressive party? How is the FDP so far behind the SPD? So civil liberties apparently don't count at all for this?

 

[ElTorro]

That y axis doesn't make any sense. In what way is Die Linke the most socially progressive party? How is the FDP so far behind the SPD? So civil liberties apparently don't count at all for this?

Yeah, that's why I wondered about their definition. It might make more sense if the north and south end of the map represent more "authoritarian" approaches (to quote another popular map of political orientations) to government as opposed to liberal ones; in particular, more regulation and a more powerful state.

 

[Irminsul]

Yeah, that's why I wondered about their definition. It might make more sense if the north and south end of the map represent more "authoritarian" approaches (to quote another popular map of political orientations) to government as opposed to liberal ones; in particular, more regulation and a more powerful state.

Well, but then the CDU/CSU is in the completely wrong place.

 

[Muffin1611]

That y axis doesn't make any sense. In what way is Die Linke the most socially progressive party? How is the FDP so far behind the SPD? So civil liberties apparently don't count at all for this?

Is this something new to you? A quick look tells me that SPD is commonly set as a bit more socially progressive than the FDP with Greens and Linke way ahead. In about every interpretation of the German political spectrum I could find.

Progressive =/= Libertarian

 

[kingkaiser]

Merkel is going to be longer in power than the Thousand-Year Reich even managed to exist.

Let that sink in.






I wonder if she will beat Bismarck, though.

 

[Ladekabel]

Merkel is going to be longer in power than the Thousand-Year Reich even managed to exist.

Let that sink in.






I wonder if she will beat Bismarck, though.

She is not the first one to beat the Third Reich mark.

 

[kingkaiser]

Germans and their desire for long-lasting statesmen...

Bismarck - 19 Years
Adenauer - 14 Years
Kohl - 16 Years
Merkel - 12 Years and counting...

 

[hanspampel]

Germans and their desire for long-lasting statesmen...

Bismarck - 19 Years
Adenauer - 14 Years
Kohl - 16 Years
Merkel - 12 Years and counting...

Seehofer is already advocating for a possible 5th turn, because she is still younger by that time as he right now.
plus she is well respected and proven around the world


i could see that happen and don't see anyone beat her.
probably only dependent if she wants so

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Nobody outside of Bavaria cares what Seehofer says. Rightly so.

 

[Irminsul]

Is this something new to you? A quick look tells me that SPD is commonly set as a bit more socially progressive than the FDP with Greens and Linke way ahead. In about every interpretation of the German political spectrum I could find.

Progressive =/= Libertarian

See, that's already in contrast to what is shown in the graph. And I still don't get in which way The Left is ahead of The Greens. Also, both parties are definitely more authoritan than the FDP, and I do think that a socially liberal (in the European sense) society is definitely a progressive one.

 

[Deleted member 98878]

That's about right I guess but I thought I'd be more socially progressive. Won't vote for the Greens though.

 

[Oersted]

Seehofer is already advocating for a possible 5th turn, because she is still younger by that time as he right now.
plus she is well respected and proven around the world


i could see that happen and don't see anyone beat her.
probably only dependent if she wants so

Given her influence on the media, not that surprising.

 

[Shiggy]

 

[hanspampel]

sehr geil!

 

[Maedre]

So that is Schulz' plan!

of course! Do you see another chance?

 

[Lulu23]

4 Stimmen fuer Gruen aus den USA.

Yo how does that work exactly? I'm studying abroad in the US but want to vote. Especially cause it's the first time I'm old enough and also because fuck the AfD.