It was a Marvel movie with no visible ties to the MCU outside of Thanos about a D-List group of heroes that no one who wasn't well versed in comics had ever heard of.
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It was a Marvel movie with no visible ties to the MCU outside of Thanos about a D-List group of heroes that no one who wasn't well versed in comics had ever heard of.
Yes, there are MANY blockbusters with unknown white leads that bombed. But I can't think of any with Asian leads as they are never given the chance.
The One? Lol.
BBQMan
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It was riding off the back of the Marvel Universe. It was heavily advertised as a Marvel movie as well.
ElBoxyBrown
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Chinese American? If it's a Chinese actress from China, that's great and all but that does nothing to help Asian Americans.
Totally worth it for I AM YULAW.
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Your guess is as good as mine, the link just says they're going for an all Chinese cast and that they're holding global auditions for the lead role.
It's not that bad.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
It's a cheesy martial arts movie. Evil Jet Li is on a mission to kill every single version of himself from different universes.
I kinda liked Kiss of the Dragon!
His fearless movie after Hollywood stint is so much of an upgrade tbh.
Laughing Banana
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Mannnnnnnnn.... the idea that the
Scarlett Johannson... Good grief, what were they even thinking with that? That's even worse than just straight-up white-washing... sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssh.
original Matoko in here was actually a Japanese woman whose brain gets uploaded and transformed into
It was still a risk. There's a reason these off-shoot movies like GOTG and Ant-Man have very few tie-ins to the main MCU as opposed to something like the new Spider-Man movie. It's so they can be written off if they bomb.
Kiss of the Dragon was great. Much better than The One, Romeo must Die or Cradle 2 the Grave. I think Danny the Dog was the last movie of is sort he did and unfortunately no actor has taken his place.
Yeah, I really loved it at the time.
Just saw Ghost In The Shell. I liked it! Think of it as a prequel to Stand Alone Complex. It's kind of funny that they basically deal with the issues people had when announced
If anything the main issue is that it revolves around a lot of questions that I didn't really want answered
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If anything, I hope this movie does well enough that it gets a sequel, because I want it to be a Section 9 kicking some ass within it's weird techno world.
Her Name, why it's scarjo etc.
If anything the main issue is that it revolves around a lot of questions that I didn't really want answered
Batou's eyes, Major's family & past
If anything, I hope this movie does well enough that it gets a sequel, because I want it to be a Section 9 kicking some ass within it's weird techno world.
SaniOYOYOY
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Chris Stuckmann gave it
.Many interesting bits from the video including the whitewashing thing
an A-
CosmicGroinPull
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Wow just watched Chris Stuckmann's review. Much much higher praise than I expected. ("Scarlett was really good in it"???)
I would've been okay with 'It's not crap'. Really excited to see this now.
I would've been okay with 'It's not crap'. Really excited to see this now.
I honestly don't get this Scarlett hate. She works hard for every movie she does and also takes the material and the fans serious. I never read anything from her about shitting on the nerd culture and how she want to do "real" movies.
I have not read a review somebody mentioning Scarlett did a bad job in this movie. No, pretty much everybody praised her. I don't get this hate against her.
I already see parts of the internet collapsing.
wesleyshark
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I don't get it either. She's a talented actress who puts in a lot of effort and care into her roles.
I really liked her performances in "Lost in Translation", "Ghost World" and "Under the Skin".
Same opinion here.
Also, 72 RT is ridiculously good for this kind of movie. I was excited to see it but I was still only expecting mid 60s.
BBQMan
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Its because she is not an Asian actress in what people think is an Asian actress role. Thats simply it.
PancakeBurglar
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Agreed, I've never had problems with her. Even if the way some of the source material is being handled is kind of wrong, I'm still excited to see her kick some ass in some tight clothing. Plus I've read more positive impressions then negative so it seems like this turned out to be a solid film overall, nothing groundbreaking or on the level of the original film or series but sounds like a fun watch to me.
That's a casting decision and has nothing to do with her or her acting abilities.
And also people attacked her personally for that. How she stole that role and other things like that.
SaniOYOYOY
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i know, its like people judge her by her race, not her ability to act. /s
look i get the criticism about not having a lead asian actor for this, but for those who say scarjo is trash even before seeing this movie can just go away
BBQMan
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Indeed but thats why people are giving her shit. People are irrational.
Inferno313
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Saw this last night at an advance screening. Taken on its own, its an above-average PG-13 action flick with fantastic visuals and an incredibly cool main character. As an adaptation of the source material, I feel a little similarly about it as I do the recent Beauty and the Beast. It manages to pull off the big, big moments from the original well, it adds a few interesting wrinkles of its own, but ultimately loses a lot of the elegance that made the original so special. The ending is also sorta butchered.
The race thing is... interesting, though as a pasty white dude I'm probably not the best person to speak to that issue. It did strike me that the film seemingly has a lot more to say about the nature of its production, in almost a metatextual way, than I expected. It makes an interesting attempt to try to talk about issues of identity and cultural erasure In homogenous societies, moreso than the original. Now, does this make the central casting an interesting meta step that fits with these themes, does it represent the writing team trying to make the most out of some problematic casting, or does it make it a deeply hypocritical film? That's the question I'm still wrestling with.
The race thing is... interesting, though as a pasty white dude I'm probably not the best person to speak to that issue. It did strike me that the film seemingly has a lot more to say about the nature of its production, in almost a metatextual way, than I expected. It makes an interesting attempt to try to talk about issues of identity and cultural erasure In homogenous societies, moreso than the original. Now, does this make the central casting an interesting meta step that fits with these themes, does it represent the writing team trying to make the most out of some problematic casting, or does it make it a deeply hypocritical film? That's the question I'm still wrestling with.
She knowingly took away a role that would have been perfect for an Asian actress. Doesn't matter if it was a casting decision by the producers. In the end, she accepted the role.
And then she said... oh forget about racism, look how cool it is that we have a woman leading this movie.
But then in the movie... spoilers...
Turns out the major is actually Japanese in the movie and her real name is Motoko Kusanagi. Her Japanese brain is then placed into the shell of a white woman and her name is now suddenly Mira. What's more, a Japanese actress was hired to portray her in a flashback, but you never get to see her face.
Finaika
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Jeremy Jahn's review
He's not familiar with the source material, and gave it a
He's not familiar with the source material, and gave it a
"it probably be a better time if he were drunk".
Kinda lame.
The 1995 movie's themes are still pretty original and relevant. This sounds like really standard, streamlined stuff.
Bullshit. She didn't steal anything from anyone. You're entitled to take issue with the producers and executives, or the director who said she was his first choice, but you're flat out making things up if you're holding her responsible for a "what if" scenario.
Sounds about right.
This dude was fanboying hard for the movie.
And hating on Speed Racer to boot, lumping it together with Dragonball Evolution! SMH.
lightskintwin
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Took a role? They were never going to cast an Asian woman to begin with.
And his review count toward RT %........
This. She had no impact on the production, casting diversity, no impact on the story or dialog, but cool, juste hate her on internet.
Messofanego
Banned
What, better than Dragonball Evolution? I don't believe you.
Low bar...
Saw it last night.
Taken on its own, its a solid B+. As a movie it worked, action was good, visuals.. you can guess. it did well for what was a generic action movie plot and it had some good scenes of badassery even from the side characters and a great world on film.
As far as what they did with the material, its a C. I wont wade into the whitewashing controversy but they def. dumbed down some of the OG movie themes and the two main action setpieces they took from the movie weren't as grandly portrayed in the film even though they were solid (this is where hollywood should have thrown in some big dumb action setpieces)
If your going into it as a fan of the original movies beware. If you're going into it as a fan of scifi or maybe someone familiar just familiar with Stand Alone, you're gonna enjoy the film. For me whose memory is fuzzy on the first movie I enjoyed it alot.
Taken on its own, its a solid B+. As a movie it worked, action was good, visuals.. you can guess. it did well for what was a generic action movie plot and it had some good scenes of badassery even from the side characters and a great world on film.
As far as what they did with the material, its a C. I wont wade into the whitewashing controversy but they def. dumbed down some of the OG movie themes and the two main action setpieces they took from the movie weren't as grandly portrayed in the film even though they were solid (this is where hollywood should have thrown in some big dumb action setpieces)
If your going into it as a fan of the original movies beware. If you're going into it as a fan of scifi or maybe someone familiar just familiar with Stand Alone, you're gonna enjoy the film. For me whose memory is fuzzy on the first movie I enjoyed it alot.
MilkLizard
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Yeah, about that...
I thought he was looking after her because he needs her to get out, so he can grab his gun through the window.
Inferno313
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Yeah, that's how I read that scene too.
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