Got some bad news for ya... He's Kuze, though I haven't see the movie so it could be in name only and he's a mishmash
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Ghost in the Shell |OT| I was born in the sea of information
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30yearsofhurt
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So up to 69% on RT now.
I'm keen to see this awful, awful movie.
I'm keen to see this awful, awful movie.
endlessflood
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OK, well this will ruin the entire story for you:
They changed it. Rather than about an AI becoming a sentient, living being, this movie is a very straight up and down 'illegal experiment' movie, where both the protagonist (the Major) and the antagonist are the result of transplanting human brains into cybernetic bodies without their consent (they were anti-cybernetic activists I believe) and then giving them false memories and lying to them. As to the deeper philosophical questions raised... well there really aren't any. I guess the interesting part is the Major trying to come to grips with what she is, and where she fits in; that forms the basis of the movie really.
Dunno why people are still using RT percentages
Yeah, it's at 69% but the average score is 5.9/10
Issue becomes more visible when your film is set in Asia and features robot geishas with the Japanese flag on their faces
Yeah, it's at 69% but the average score is 5.9/10
Issue becomes more visible when your film is set in Asia and features robot geishas with the Japanese flag on their faces
Remind me why Disney films and guaranteed box office successes get a pass for never casting Asians, and why this deserves to crash and burn even though it actually did cast Asians like Kitano.
This is bad.
He hacks people. That's about it.
He's Kuze in name only.
Much like everything else in this film.
endlessflood
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I still really enjoyed it for what it was, even if I'm not entirely sure why they changed it.
People can be very inflexible about some of this stuff, and I think sometimes they do themselves a disservice in the process. If I can do something crazy and bring up video games on NeoGAF, one of my favourite games last gen, and easily my favourite co-op game of all time, was the Syndicate FPS by Starbreeze. Because it was an FPS rather than an isometric game, people lost their minds and heaped shit on it. I loved the original, but the new one was amazing too in its own right. I feel sorry for all of the people who never got to experience it because they couldn't look past the title.
Look, I get the whitewash claims but what are they supposed to do - leave the guy in the cinema whose shouting things at the screen before the movies started?
You're pissed about the whitewashing? Don't support the movie, and stay away from a place where people may just want to watch a movie
radios shipping overview
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I'm going to be in physical pain if I watch this.
Cool.
Eh I think "what percent of critics enjoyed it" is a better metric than averaging bunch of different scores and scales
Brian_FETO
Banned
I'm not reading spoilers but if the issue is either not handling things as well as the original stories/combining and changing stuff......whatever? That's what I expect from a project like this
You're getting a popcorn movie with the license. Otherwise unless you have some incredible brand new story to tell inspired by the series (yeah right) you'll get visual homages and sort of references to characters and events from the source. It's how it pretty much has always been with comic adaptations
People talk about how pointless anime adaptations are and I'm inclined to agree. At least with manga you can be seeing it in motion for the first time, but if it already exists in a moving picture form.......special effects are almost guaranteed to look worse. That's why you have a rare case like Speed Racer that's in the spirit of the original anime but with a completely new vision
I never expected this to be good but I hoped it'd be a real cool looking cyberpunk action movie. Sounds like that's exactly what it is.
You're getting a popcorn movie with the license. Otherwise unless you have some incredible brand new story to tell inspired by the series (yeah right) you'll get visual homages and sort of references to characters and events from the source. It's how it pretty much has always been with comic adaptations
People talk about how pointless anime adaptations are and I'm inclined to agree. At least with manga you can be seeing it in motion for the first time, but if it already exists in a moving picture form.......special effects are almost guaranteed to look worse. That's why you have a rare case like Speed Racer that's in the spirit of the original anime but with a completely new vision
I never expected this to be good but I hoped it'd be a real cool looking cyberpunk action movie. Sounds like that's exactly what it is.
endlessflood
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I should probably point out that
the story is told to roughly the same beats as the original, with many scenes played out identically.
Based on the Twitter feed from someone who was there, a person in a group for a free screening of Ghost in the Shell shouted "white washing" 20 minutes before the movie started. The way it was described on Twitter makes it sounds as if it was meant as a joke. An employee walked up and instructed them not to do it again, and the group agreed. Later, another employee came over and ejected the person in the group from the theater. They hadn't shouted anything else after being corrected, but that didn't matter.
If true it's a bad look.
Poor GRIMES
Banned
Anime adaptations lead themselves to alt-right audiences so I wouldn't be surprised
They...don't? Putting aside the (admittedly sparse but nevertheless existing) roles for Asian actors in the Marvel movies, there was a lot of controversy and backlash over the casting of Tilda Swinton (a white woman) for Strange's teacher, the Ancient One (an Asian person) in Doctor Strange and the alteration of the backstory so as not to upset the growing Chinese box office given Strange's backstory involves Tibet. Iron Fist had a similar can of worms opened up during its casting i.e. maybe having this white guy using martial arts and gaining powers from a concept commonly associated with Asian culture is a touch problematic in the 21st century and shouldn't be played by one.
As for GitS being a noteworthy offender aside from whitewashing being a generally awful thing that shouldn't be around in 2017 (it wasn't cool when they did it in Dragonball Evolution so why would it be okay now?), common argument i've seen is that the story of the original is uniquely Japanese, mostly in relation to the time the story was written in and the film was made as Japan happened to be the tech center of the world and the themes in both iterations prominently relating to said technological renaissance so casting a white woman to play removes that uniquely Japanese element from the story.
According to one of the individuals in the group (via Twitter), it was an employee from Paramount Pictures who removed the person from the theater.
The person who left the theater claims (via Twitter) they weren't the one in the group who shouted it, but they took the fall for it so their entire group didn't get kicked out of the screening.
Why even adapt Ghost in the Shell then? They might as well have just created an original movie like Lucy and it wouldn't have made any difference.
It's not clear whether the person was shouting it out loud or whether they were merely discussing it though. And even then, ejecting the entire group seems a bit extreme. But I'm assuming it's a Paramount screening event, so their rules.
That's what i've been saying.
MugiwaraCole
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Disney doesn't get a pass. Quit being dumb. They need to fix their shit too.
Did they really deserved to be ejected from the theater, though? One person in the group made a comment before the screening began. The majority of the theater was talking which is normal behavior before a screening starts, even if it is free.
An employee walked over and corrected it and then another employee walked over and removed a person from the group later even though no one in the group repeated it. The person ejected didn't say it, but took the fall to prevent the entire group being removed from the screening.
I used to work in a theater, take disruptive behavior during a movie seriously, and have attended free advance screenings. If someone makes a remark and their behavior is deemed disruptive, they get a warning before being removed. Recently, I reported someone for using Snapchat to take clips from Split for the first 15 minutes of the movie and the theater manager gave the person a warning. The person stopped and they weren't removed from the theater. This is usually how things go.
It sounds like an employee from Paramount Pictures took a preemptive measure because of the controversy surrounding the movie and it's a bad look if it is indeed true.
Ploid 3.0
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Because a lot of people already like GITS, and it would probably do better overseas with the name vs something original for. Heck the only reason I'm in this thread is because the movie is called Ghost in the Shell. :\
Salty Rice
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ElBoxyBrown
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Jordan Peele save us.
This is the most pathetic excuse often used.
'We cast an Asian guy for a small role just for marketing in Japan! Look how progressive we are!'
endlessflood
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A lot of the scenes/story are straight Ghost In The Shell. Why they felt the need to edit the central tenet so heavily, I'm not sure. I suspect they didn't want a finale that was effectively straight, emotionless exposition, which is what we had with the anime. I don't know if that would have worked in a film, but maybe a clever writer/s could've found a way.
If you're talking about Beat in this film, it's not a small role. He steals the show if you ask me,
getting my favourite action scene
maybe come back and make this argument when Disney casts a white person as Mulan and creates a plot excuse where Mulan has to put on make up to pretend to be white for ~reasons~.
Because movies these days are all about ip.
AmaterasuOni
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Here's the liberal racist aka leftist-nazi review I wrote in a minute few days ago.
Nothing too spoilery: I got really mixed feelings. It's awesomely great at some parts and then it just falls to the gutter. ScarJo shines in every scene (it's not the acting though). You just don't even notice what's happening in a scene when she's wearing that latex suit. It's really distracting. In a good way, I think.
Story is a mixture of different things. It was really confusing as well. If you're not familiar with the universe, you're left feeling WTF at the start until few key scenes later on.
There's some horrendous CGI (spidertank battle, daymn) and absolutely gorgeous and pretty things happening. Mixed filmmaking continues.
By doing almost nothing, Beat steals the show. Man's a legend.
About Clint Mansell. I got so excited when I saw his name. Yet he was not present at all. It's a big issue when you get a composer like Mansell and you just don't activate his brilliance. Why even bother?
So, I've been struggling to give it a proper review. It can easily be 2/5. Straight after the screening I was 3/5. After I slept on it, I kinda dug it. I want to see it again while not staring at ScarJo's assets all the time. 4/5
If ScarJo can't bring people to the theatre, it will flop horrendously though. It's really confusing, strange (in an unwesternly way) and too many times you've forgotten what happened 15 minutes before. It's really wacky and kinda peculiar. Love it/hate it.
I've seen original GitS stuff over 10 year ago, so my memories of them are a bit vague.
Ninja-edit: it's really diverse in equality, say what you like. ScarJo is an adequate Major who might salvage what's there to be salvaged.
Nothing too spoilery: I got really mixed feelings. It's awesomely great at some parts and then it just falls to the gutter. ScarJo shines in every scene (it's not the acting though). You just don't even notice what's happening in a scene when she's wearing that latex suit. It's really distracting. In a good way, I think.
Story is a mixture of different things. It was really confusing as well. If you're not familiar with the universe, you're left feeling WTF at the start until few key scenes later on.
There's some horrendous CGI (spidertank battle, daymn) and absolutely gorgeous and pretty things happening. Mixed filmmaking continues.
By doing almost nothing, Beat steals the show. Man's a legend.
About Clint Mansell. I got so excited when I saw his name. Yet he was not present at all. It's a big issue when you get a composer like Mansell and you just don't activate his brilliance. Why even bother?
So, I've been struggling to give it a proper review. It can easily be 2/5. Straight after the screening I was 3/5. After I slept on it, I kinda dug it. I want to see it again while not staring at ScarJo's assets all the time. 4/5
If ScarJo can't bring people to the theatre, it will flop horrendously though. It's really confusing, strange (in an unwesternly way) and too many times you've forgotten what happened 15 minutes before. It's really wacky and kinda peculiar. Love it/hate it.
I've seen original GitS stuff over 10 year ago, so my memories of them are a bit vague.
Ninja-edit: it's really diverse in equality, say what you like. ScarJo is an adequate Major who might salvage what's there to be salvaged.
Reviews were saying he's underused. Its hard to not see his casting as some kind of Asian quota thing to try and deflect criticism. The trailer is filled with Asian culture but I wonder how many Asian actors of any importance are present.
A Link to the Past
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Seriously. Chris Pratt wasn't anything until Guardians of the Galaxy, but he got the opportunity nonetheless.
AmaterasuOni
Banned
Her, Zero Dark Thirty, Moneyball, Jennifer's Body, Wanted. I can bet some filmmakers noticed his charisma in one of these at least.
From a purely business level, which is the only reason Scarlett Johansson was cast in this, Disney doesn't have a leg to stand on. Their movies are always guaranteed to make money no matter who they cast, whereas GitS was always going to have a hard time regardless of how faithful an adaptation it was. Changing the culture in Hollywood has to start somewhere, and I really don't think something as off-kilter and kind of niche as GitS deserves the brunt of the blame for where it's at. It doesn't deserve to be hailed as progressive or anything like that, but it's making at least something of an effort to expose mainstream audiences to something they've never seen or heard of before. If it gets people to check out the source and check out more stuff from Japan, I don't see the harm. Meanwhile Disney isn't even considering a live action Mulan or anything even remotely Asian, last time I checked. I'd be very happy to be wrong and see them do just that, though, since I think they're one of the few studios with the power to straight up create an Asian star overnight.
http://collider.com/mulan-live-action-chinese-cast/
http://metro.co.uk/2017/03/11/guy-r...action-aladdin-to-avoid-whitewashing-6502185/
Maybe you should pay more attention to stuff that's going on if you want to talk about it.
I don't remember him at all in Jennifer's Body and his role in ZDT was small. If he got noticed for anything it was Parks and Rec, which said nothing about him being able to lead million dollar action movies.
They originally tried to digitally alter Scarlett Johansson to look Asian, this movie gets no fucking passes.
Disney is making a live-action Mulan and they're going for an all Chinese cast according to sources.
I hadn't heard about that, guess it's a good thing they decided not to go through with it.
And that's cool about Mulan, had no idea that was in the works.
Yeah lets not forget that it is a Marvel movie. This is a relatively unknown IP in the West, from a relatively unknown director. Its not really comparable. A good comparison is John Carter, relatively, Unknown IP, with a unproven lead actor and look how well that went down.
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
His rating for those who don't want to watch it:
A-
I don't degree with the rating but I get why he gave it that
Does he usually have good taste in film scores? The music comments are exciting.
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