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GI Interview:Initail 360 backwards compatibility list possibly in 2 weeks

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GI: Two of the big questions were launch lineup and then what games would be ready for backwards compatibility. Can you give us any kind of list for the day one titles? When will we find those out?

Moore: You have all heard this before I’m sure, but we are working on a software emulation that we have built that is had to hand combat game by game by game. Each game is emulated and you know the issue with the GPU and the CPU. We will probably be in a position in about two weeks to give you a list and that list will go up on Xbox.com and it will get updated as more and more games get through certification.

GI: So out of the box, some games will be playable, that’s what you’re saying?

Moore: Yeah. And that list will grow and grow and grow.

GI: Will you be charged for that in Marketplace or will that be free?

Moore: There will just be an auto-update that you may not even be aware that happens. Say Crimson Skys becomes backwards compatible. We will post an update on Xbox.com. We may even set up an email alert for people who are interested enough. Bottom line, you will start seeing more concrete information is two weeks. We will post a list. The guys continue to pound through these games and the emulation is working well. After launch, we will continue to do it. Until consumers show lack of interest, then we will move on.
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Mifune said:
Hmmm...the last two sentences aren't encouraging. What exactly does "lack of interest" mean?
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Yeah, I don't like that. To me, he should at least say we're going to try to achieve 100%. I mean, most consumers won't care if Panzer Dragoon Orta or Metal Slug 3 are converted, but I feel like they shouldn't just stop when there is a "lack of interest". This whole BC thing with the X360 has been half-assed from the start, I'm keeping space for my Xbox in the home theater setup.
 
"Lack of interest" probably translates to "when the 360 has sold enough units and has enough games to be desirable whether it is backwards compatible or not".

They're only bothering with any backwards compatibility at all because of bad press when they said they may not have it.
 
How come when an emulator is released on the PC after only a few revisions it seems like almost 100% of the games are working? The way they talk about emulating Xbox they make it sound like it will be incredibly difficult to get most of the Xbox games working. Why is that? I would think once you've got the hardware properly emulated in software that most of the games would fall into place. I understand they have to do QA with every game one by one, but they don't seem confident that even most Xbox games will end up being compatible.

The other thing I wonder about is how come Sony is capable of providing backwards compatibility so easily when they have also completely changed the CPU and GPU in their machine? Is it because Sony owns that emulation company and prepared for PS3 software emulation all along?
 
I hope people keep bitching then because I don't feel like selling the good games in my Xbox library just yet and I'd rather not have four consoles around the TV come Christmas.
 
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How come when an emulator is released on the PC after only a few revisions it seems like almost 100% of the games are working? The way they talk about emulating Xbox they make it sound like it will be incredibly difficult to get most of the Xbox games working. Why is that? I would think once you've got the hardware properly emulated in software that most of the games would fall into place. I understand they have to do QA with every game one by one, but they don't seem confident that even most Xbox games will end up being compatible.

The other thing I wonder about is how come Sony is capable of providing backwards compatibility so easily when they have also completely changed the CPU and GPU in their machine? Is it because Sony owns that emulation company and prepared for PS3 software emulation all along?
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I wondered the same thing. I believe it has to do with the fact that Sony created all of its PS2/PS1 stuff, and because of nvidia.
 
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How come when an emulator is released on the PC after only a few revisions it seems like almost 100% of the games are working? The way they talk about emulating Xbox they make it sound like it will be incredibly difficult to get most of the Xbox games working. Why is that? I would think once you've got the hardware properly emulated in software that most of the games would fall into place. I understand they have to do QA with every game one by one, but they don't seem confident that even most Xbox games will end up being compatible.
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I don't really know. I figure it's a combination of free PC emulator means that people overlook/don't complain about odd incompatibility or minor problems but MS is aware that a commercial product needs to be pretty damn good to avoid criticism, and that underpromising makes it easier to over deliver later.


The other thing I wonder about is how come Sony is capable of providing backwards compatibility so easily when they have also completely changed the CPU and GPU in their machine? Is it because Sony owns that emulation company and prepared for PS3 software emulation all along?
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Sony planned for BC all along, MS had to throw it in at the last minute. Also, owning the patents on the hardware along with the manufacturing facilities makes it a lot easier to produce both an emulation solution or a hardware solution.
 
Fatghost28 said:
It's already confirmed that there is no way to transfer Xbox1 saves to X360.
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Yeah it sucks.

I mainly want BC for all the 2D stuff like Alien Hominid, Metal Slug and all the 2D fighters (they better be BC and online still!!!!). Also some of the niche stuff like Panzer Dragoon Orta, Jet Set Radio Future and a few others. The crap thing is that all these titles are probably going to be last on the list :(
 
Willy Wanka said:
Yeah it sucks.

I mainly want BC for all the 2D stuff like Alien Hominid, Metal Slug and all the 2D fighters (they better be BC and online still!!!!). Also some of the niche stuff like Panzer Dragoon Orta, Jet Set Radio Future and a few others. The crap thing is that all these titles are probably going to be last on the list :(
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Yeah, that's pretty much all I care about too.

Street Fighter 3, Metal Slug 3, and niche stuff like JSRF and Panzer Dragoon Orta...and I have a soft spot for OutRun 2 even though 360 will have lots of quality racers from day 1.

It would be pretty lame if the compatible games end up being the Halos and the PGR games.
 
Backwards compatibility should be 100% standard with consoles after PS2 set the benchmark. I just can't understand why MS didn't put more muscle into making the 360 completely BC. Didn't they take note with PS2 that consumers love being able to move their current game library to the next gen? None of this 'some games' (i.e. the popular ones) bullshit.

PS3 will be able to play two previous generations worth of games on top of the new gen. Maybe MS feels they can't even begin to compete with that and didn't even feel like wasting time with a complete BC ability? Who knows... but it's still not a good move making it limited, IMO.
 
Musashi Wins! said:
what's more important to me is finding a way to get the new controller to work on my modded xbox. bc be damned.
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Or getting my Hori sticks to work on my 360 :-/ NOOOES THE DREAM IS OVER
 
Three words: Panzer Dragoon Orta

that is all.

oh, and that sure looks like they committed to letting us know in two weeks. why didn't they mention it at X05??? Seems like a missed opportunity
 
BC is so hard cause of hardware issues and so many devs coding to metal. Sony has an easy time because they're most likely going to put key PS2 hardware in PS3 just like they did using the PSX chips for PS2 sound and stuff.

My big question about BC games is the Live aspect. Is this straight emulation as in Halo 2 will emulate old Live and be incompatible with new Live features? I would love use the "Pro" filter so it stops matching me up with lameass noobs that are 10 levels under me and just bring me down. Not to mention I could blacklist cheaters and modders and filter by rep so I could get some legit games. I could also filter SF3TS so I could actually find a decent match as opposed to getting my ass handed to me by guys way better than me, then again filtering that game means that the 4 people who actually do play it probably wouldn't get matched with me.
 
the thing that annoys me the most is that even if a game is BC, there's no way in transferring your save game from your Xbox to X360. very fucking dumb
 
Wario64 said:
the thing that annoys me the most is that even if a game is BC, there's no way in transferring your save game from your Xbox to X360. very fucking dumb
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I agree...

Then again, I was pissed at the news that PS3 would not be able to accept PS1 and PS2 memory cards- but (and I could be wrong) didn't Sony also say there would be peripherals released upon PS3 launch to allow this?

Could MS do something similar?
 
Mifune said:
Hmmm...the last two sentences aren't encouraging. What exactly does "lack of interest" mean?
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Translation: Once enough of you have bought the 360, we'll have lost interest in trying to provide it.

This is not backwards compatability as it's EVER been used by any other market.

"In technology, especially computing, a product is said to be backward compatible when it is able to take the place of an older product, by interoperating with other products that were designed for the older product"
 
The reason that there is no BC problem with PS2 is because most of the PSOne chipset is in the PS2 to begin with. Hell, I think the PS2 uses the PSone CPU for I/O or something. I'm sure some emulation is happening, but it's not completely software by any means.
 
The fact that there is a BC list still upsets me. It's kinda funny that the minute the 360 was announced i thought to myself, great now i don't have to run out and replace my dying xbox lol.

It really can't be overstated how much people (myself included) totally took this feature for granted. The transition from PSX to PS2 was so flawless it personally made me think it was an easy process heh. Well, at the very least Sony will still be king in one area guaranteed next gen BC. Speaking of PS3, i'm actually looking forward to the memory stick issue once we find out how to get saves off of the old PS2 sticks, gonna have a nice leftover 512 MB pro duo stick by that time that will be perfect :D.
 
Wario64 said:
the thing that annoys me the most is that even if a game is BC, there's no way in transferring your save game from your Xbox to X360. very fucking dumb
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Isn't the whole point of BC to play your old games on your new consoles anyways? If it's a multiplayer game you can still play multi and may have to unlock stuff but no sweat. If it's single player then either you want to play the game again or you don't so either you want BC or you don't. Sure it's somewhat of a generalization and there are exception like Metal Slug 3 cause getting Fat Island was a bitch! Then again I'm looking forward to getting 100% in JSRF again assuming it's compatible. Still it seems like a no brainer but to me transferring saves isn't really all that significant cause either way I will enjoy my old games again. I'm much more worried about the games I would even bother playing again not being compatible at all.
 
TheJollyCorner said:
I agree...

Then again, I was pissed at the news that PS3 would not be able to accept PS1 and PS2 memory cards- but (and I could be wrong) didn't Sony also say there would be peripherals released upon PS3 launch to allow this?

Could MS do something similar?
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I was thinking maybe someone like LikSang would put out a USB adapter that reads Xbox 1 memory cards, but then I remembered that you can't write to the Xbox 360 HDD from USB and you can't save games onto a USB device.

Seems like the only way I'm going to get my game saves onto Xbox 360 is with a mod chip that unlocks the device.
 
Mifune said:
Hmmm...the last two sentences aren't encouraging. What exactly does "lack of interest" mean?
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It means that they're not going to make some poor slob spend 3 weeks trying to get Eggmania Eggstream Madness to run, just as an exercise in masochism.

Of course, everyone in this thread realizes full well that's what is meant, but it's much more fun to whine and spin.
 
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I was thinking maybe someone like LikSang would put out a USB adapter that reads Xbox 1 memory cards, but then I remembered that you can't write to the Xbox 360 HDD from USB and you can't read save games onto a USB device.
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And still there are saves that either don't fit or don't work with the memory card in the first place.

Still, my stand about the whole bc issue has always been "eh" since I'm keeping my xbox anyhow.
 
looks like they are just trying to hold off some complaints about BC, then slowly but surely people will forget about complaining then their job's done.
 
The fact that they will be releasing a list of games you CAN play, and not a list of games you CAN'T is very discouraging :\
 
The Faceless Master said:
looks like i'd better stock up on samsung dvdroms for my xbox... it's gotta last some more years...
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Do you use the dvd-rom of your xbox?

You're kidding right? :lol :lol

I think I'm going to be dissapointed with this BC plans of MS :/
 
monkeyrun said:
looks like they are just trying to hold off some complaints about BC, then slowly but surely people will forget about complaining then their job's done.
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Yeah, it's probably just their attempt at damage control. Avoid the issue for as long as possible, hope PGR3 or PD0 or Madden are pretty enough to distract attention and get a good launch, and then by the time PS3 launches hope to have enough happening in the 360 library to make BC not matter anymore.
 
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