Sleeping Lesson
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I like in Jeff's, during the donut sequence, it looks like you need to jump up to the top one but just off screen there's a fire windmill that will kill you when you jump up there.
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Giant Bomb #17 | Baby Dan Wyckert
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tryagainlater
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Fulton, reflex, fulton, reflex, fulton, fulton,fulton, reflex, relfex...MGScanlon is one of the best features they've ever done but this one is so boring. This game sucks. Doesn't even have much story for their reactions to make up for the boring gameplay parts.
It still has some value though for Drew and Dan's conversations though. Those will never not be great. College Dan seems like he would be awful to be around which I believe Dan would openly admit to.
It still has some value though for Drew and Dan's conversations though. Those will never not be great. College Dan seems like he would be awful to be around which I believe Dan would openly admit to.
Sleeping Lesson
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Metal Gear Scanlon V has taught me that while it's true that you can play the game "like a shooter", it's the most uninteresting way to do so, and ensures you do not interact with many of the game's best mechanics.
That is true for any stealth game every created. If you go the combat route, even if possible, it's the most uninteresting way to play.
stump sock
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with the possible exception of Dishonored if you're one of those REALLY good Dishonored players
Sleeping Lesson
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That's mostly true, yeah. I think run-and-gun Phantom Pain is particularly uninteresting, though.
I don't know why I beat that game 3 and a half times, but I got all the cheevos! Perfect stealth in the game with blink isn't hard. I think my playtime on that run was like 4 hours.
Felix Lighter
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I'm convinced he doesn't really make a strong effort to be stealthy because of 2 things, he expects to spotted at some point no matter what and he doesn't want to play methodically when trying to be entertaining, especially when he feels firefights are ultimately inevitable.
I just don't know why people are surprised.
He doesn't realize that is what the series is supposed to be.
When i play MGS2, i shake down every single guard.
Drew didn't.
He didn't play stealthily through any of the games. Why would he start now? I don't think he understands the games on a core fundamental level. This is partly because of the environment in which he learned to play it.
He never had slow time to just muck around. He always has to be entertaining.
Through 4 games he didn't play stealth. He isn't going to start in the 5th
He doesn't realize that is what the series is supposed to be.
When i play MGS2, i shake down every single guard.
Drew didn't.
He didn't play stealthily through any of the games. Why would he start now? I don't think he understands the games on a core fundamental level. This is partly because of the environment in which he learned to play it.
He never had slow time to just muck around. He always has to be entertaining.
Through 4 games he didn't play stealth. He isn't going to start in the 5th
True, that does look cool, but personally I think the stealth thing is still more satisfying.
Hold on, wait
what day is it??
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Ding Ding Ding.
Part of it is that he is worried it'll be boring to watch if he tries to be stealthy, which is a shame.
I kind of figured this was going to be the case with MGSV.
Even in the other MGScanlon series I skipped most of the raw gameplay parts and only watched the set pieces/boss fights and cutscenes.
Unfortunately TPP is about 5% those moments and 95% raw gameplay.
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Noray
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I think you're right but that's a really bad philosophy. Going fast=/= being entertaining. Especially on a long, strap the fuck in, LP of a 60+ hour game. It's much more enjoyable to watch someone actually being good at the game, or at the least trying, than watching someone stumble through it guided by the world's least knowlegeable MGS veteran.
It's not just a little frustrating, it's very frustrating. And not just because I've played the game and know what he could be better, but also becuase it's boring and repetitive aside from moments of randomness like boxes falling on D-Horse. Like Bruce Campbell said, it's Reflex, fulton, reflex, fulton ad nauseum. It's absolutely the least interesting way to play and to watch it being played.
All three of them?
Let's be nice and count it as 5
Felix Lighter
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I think he's been trained to go for progress above all else, especially after some really frustrating situations early on in the series. When the story beats were the payoff most of the time, that made sense. The potential payoffs in MGS V is watching interesting approaches to encounters since the story is barely existent for most of the game.
stump sock
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which reminds me, on the podcast they were talking about it, someone was disappointed that
the water pistol
Man on Fire
source: I've done it.
Sleeping Lesson
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Which is ironic because his play style is resulting in more deaths, more repetition, and ultimately much slower progress.
Plus with his inclusion on the bombcast it's obvious that there's no reason he'd be good at games as he doesn't play them much.
I think that was Dan
Does the
water pistol
I really enjoyed that part on this week's Bombcast when he was like "I didn't play any games" and everyone just laughed.
Ironic t-shirt in human form
BUNTING1243
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I mean, he's not good at Metal Gear style games. Didn't he play through most of the Halos on legendary? At the very least, the level of hyper-obsessive note taking he gets with flight simulators proves he's not bad at all games
You have to do them but in all honestly they're not difficult...therr are some pretty easy and quick methods to get through them
think back, how good was he at the flight simulators? it was a struggle just to take off and not crash, which is what made the videos so good (well that and Vinny and Dave)
stump sock
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Does thehave to be higher level? Because I tried that and it didn't workwater pistol
hm, might be. not sure. it still took some effort but it was less annoying than doing it the "real" way, so I consider it a victory
You don't have to do many of them. I think you have to do like two or three to get everything unlocked.
I have no idea about how well he plays games but the flight sim videos are like 80% start up, 10% flying and 10% crashing
You actually don't have to do them, but I do agree that they are not that hard. Easy A and S ranks on first try for me.
Really? I only had further missions in act 2 pop up after beating the ones I hadn't completed. What actually unlocks them?
Its a shame those arent just modifiers applicable to every mission.
Drew failing to engage with the game mechanics has been a running theme throughout the series, which is a shame. He's also consistently neglected genuinely useful bits of advice from the community because he's worried about being spoiled or because he wants to play it "naturally" or whatever, which is laudable but probably hasn't worked out for him or the viewer.
I wonder what'll happen when he starts unlocking some of the interesting items in TPP, decoys and grenades and shit. I'm gonna go ahead and bet Dan tells him a few mechanics which he tries once and then never thinks of using again. There are cool things you can do with even a cardboard box which he refuses to utilise.
All that said, I do think this is one of the better Metal Gear Scanlons simply by virtue of it being a modern - arguably dumbed down - game. He's actually grasped the controls reasonably well and so it leads to less frustration on his part. It was kind of infuriating to watch him unable to do basic things in the previous games, both from a spectator's standpoint and generally seeing him get annoyed wasn't fun either.
Still, he hasn't entirely sussed the controls which is probably for the best after his exploits with that box a few episodes ago.
BUNTING1243
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I always just assumed that the need for a notebook of instructions meant those were incredibly realistic and difficult games, but you guys could definitely be right. He's dedicated when he wants to be at the very least.
stump sock
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I agree. I didn't think I'd care about them but the subsistence missions are a ton of fun
I kinda feel this is a mistake a lot of people who stream games make, especially starting out, similar to how a lot of them also tend to skip any text/reading.
I didn't do any of them before more story stuff unlocked. I think you can just do a certain amount of side ops and progress starts as well.
I would have much preferred to see them do something like what they did with Dark Soul 2. Have Drew play the game on his own then maybe check in on his progress now and then. Was very skeptical towards the sandbox nature of the game for a feature and that more than anything seems to be the fault. I dont think its a matter of skill and in a game like this with so many mechanics and items, the player will inevitably forget/ignore a large amoung of those options.
Jeevesmeister
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Seriously, I wish I could play through the entire game with that setting. It's a fantastic challenges and forces you to improvise like a madman.
Jimmyfenix
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they should have just had those settings
extreme
subsistence
total stealth as options from the get go or unlocked when you finish the mission normally like GZ did
Glitchesarecool
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The one thing that makes an LP worse no matter who is playing or what is being played is reading from live chat.
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