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Giant Bomb 18: Everything is always a surprise on some level
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This popped up on my Youtube subscription feed for a second, but it is now gone...
I guess Youtube service must be doing something.with the archive.
Hopefully this means it will be up later.
My thinking is that Vinny intentionally sabotaged the archive because he hates Europe.
A lot of talk in the last thread about Fallout 4 being unfairly and harshly criticized. Meanwhile, the very reasonable dark10x who works for Digital Foundry has this to say:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1137446&page=31
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1137446&page=31
This popped up on my Youtube subscription feed for a second, but it is now gone...
I guess Youtube service must be doing something.with the archive.
Sweet!
Keyser Soze
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Mario Maker Mornings feat YouTube Superstar
Keyser Soze
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It's only teenage wasteland
How so? Brad didn't die a single time?
Did you like Fallout 3? Are you playing on a console? What's your threshold for performance issues?
TheMrPliskin
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The Choose your own adventure stream for the week that P5 is released should be fun.
If you're up for more Fallout then it's solid, the amount of jank is really off putting but maybe I'm having bad luck.
TharpDaddy
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Anyone going to post the post counter for the last thread? I'm hoping I made the top 10. It's been a few threads since I achieved it.
Fallout 3 was alright!
I'm on PC but I'm hearing mixed things about performance stuff too.
Bethesda jank is always charming.
I'll give it a shot and see how it goes.
But it can be found by clicking on the total amount of posts in the normal forum view.
Felix Lighter
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If you liked Fallout 3 and you see yourself enjoying another one in a new wasteland you'll probably like it. I'm playing on highend PC, so I'm not suffering from the same performance issues as the consoles (though it has annoying quirks on that platform that were passed down from Fallout 3/NV and Skyrim) but my understanding is if you are playing on those platforms be ready for terrible performance in areas. I'll say so far the only serious improvement to the formula was the streamlined looting system. Other than that, it isn't very ambitious when it comes to mixing things up or improving on their tech.
stump sock
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PC version seems to be largely fine for most people but it will definitely take you a longer than average time to get the settings to where you want them, as they don't seem to correlate to what happens in pretty much every other video game.
...which makes a way bigger difference than I would have expected. it's nice. this, and the combat actually feeling like a game that came out this decade.
At work so not able to screenshot it, but: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=1121158
You need to step up your game!
TharpDaddy
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It can be charming. I shot a crab thing in the face yesterday and when it died it went launching into the sky and never came back down. Then like 10 minutes later my character got stuck on geometry when trying to do the animation to use a terminal and I had to reload. It's a double-edged sword.
Poster rank #17 on GB thread #17. Follow the money.
AuthenticM
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sweet
Isn't the solution just to save every 5 mins or so in various slots so you never really lose progress?
edit: 40th poster in last thread woooo
Felix Lighter
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One particularly funny PC platform issues with Fallout 4 is how a lot of little and not so little things break when the FPS exceeds 60 fps. Conversation audio breaks, lock pick mini game speeds up, you get locked to terminals that you access and have to reload a save to move again, etc etc. Which would almost be acceptable if the game had an actual FPS cap, but it doesn't. It just forces vsync, so those with 60 hz monitors won't notice anything but now that we live in a world with 120 and 144 hz monitor, vsync alone is no way to cap the framerate to 60 fps. I use a utility app to cap the framerate to 60 to avoid the issues, which is easy enough but these engine limitations have been around since Oblivion.
What's the durability deterioration like at 60 fps?
How many ladders have you shot through the ground on?
I must have disliked the combat in FO3 a lot more than I thought because I've really been enjoying 4 and I didn't really like 3 at all. I'm not that far in, but my only issue so far is the dialogue wheel. I really hope that doesn't come to the next ES game. I hate not knowing what my character is going to say and it makes me feel like I need to save before every conversation.
Felix Lighter
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Yeah, similar situations, however, at least vanilla Dark Souls has a 30 fps framerate cap that you have to mod around, so these issues don't occur without you actively accepting the issues tied to 60 fps. Fallout 4 just says, "fuck it," if you have a high refresh monitor. Dark Souls 2 durability is similarly annoying though not nearly as disruptive as the FO4 problems.
stump sock
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while you're not wrong, we are talking about one of the few devs with the raw resources to actually do it- if they had any real reason to care.
also that totally explains my issues with dialogue and lockpicking, lol. well now I know.
Death Metalist
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MassiveNights
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Patrick struggling, I think this might be the hardest one for him.
TheMrPliskin
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It's also frustrating for anyone who does experience issues as those issues are generally just shrugged at and given the excuse that it's a Bethesda game.
Depends i guess, looking at the games Bethesda has published over the last years, i wouldn't think they are in a good spot to take risks like that.
TheMrPliskin
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Skyrim sold 20 million copies, I'm sure they could polish their engine a little.
But it can be found by clicking on the total amount of posts in the normal forum view.
Oh nice, I won again.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Absolutely, but people need to stop excusing a big company like Bethesda.
If anything, I thought the tone of the last thread was reviewers not being critical enough of the technical state of games. Everything is always "fine" and "playable".
Funnily enough, during Jeff's FO4 mixlr stream I saw Brad retweeted Jason Schreier mocking a GAF post (which was very similar to what dark10x post about being disappointed people don't care, but in a more dickish way) and dismissing it as a typical "lazy developer" rant. There definitely seems to be a divide between people who want a higher priority placed on the technical state of games, and those who prefer to sympathise with the difficulties of game development. The Bombcast should be interesting.
I'm pretty sure I won. Again.
Just look at the latest Bethesda published games, would say they are in the best spot really.
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethesda_Softworks
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethesda_Softworks
No, I was just joking around, of course you are correct that Dark Souls II's problems were much less widespread than Bethesda jank typically is.
TheMrPliskin
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Given that Patrick has played Dan's previous levels he probably expects it to be a death trap.
Felix Lighter
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I don't think that is a particularly good argument against the criticism. I can understand using the engine again, especially considering the timing of when development started. It's not like they had an assortment of tried and tested open world next generation engines to choose from when this project began, especially when modabliity is such an import factor for these games. However, the performance and bugs that have plagued their games become harder and harder to swallow with each title. These titles are what bring in the money for Bethesda, not investing in improving their tech will eventually catch up to them. The tone of how these games are discussed has become more and more negative and that's largely because of the technical issues that simple do not get any better. The move to a new much more capable hardware baseline, exacerbated that fact.
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