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FStop7

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eznark said:
To be fair, when Patrick was describing the sort of off-tempo scratchy nature of the Amnesia soundtrack Jeff had a very negative reaction.

He's in such a bad mood he even hates shit he doesn't know anything about! My man.
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I remember it as being he didn't like it as in it was really unnerving and creepy rather than poorly done.
 
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mattiewheels

And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Something must've really been off about that Amnesia sequel, because I haven't heard anything about it, or anyone singing praises. All i really heard is that it was more like Dear Esther than horror, but the first one was such a hype machine that it sounds disappointing.
 
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mattiewheels said:
Something must've really been off about that Amnesia sequel, because I haven't heard anything about it, or anyone singing praises. All i really heard is that it was more like Dear Esther than horror, but the first one was such a hype machine that it sounds disappointing.
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Pretty much plus IIRC the new one removed the lantern and insanity mechanic so it seemed like the dev who made it was just flexing their muscles on the story/atmohpere stuff.

And from what I remember some fans didn't like that
 
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Brashnir

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Deactivision said:
I'm not saying he doesn't possess skill, just that it wasn't on display in the video -- probably due to his disinterest, which was palpable. I guess he was decent at Excitebike.

I still think the video was lame though. He certainly hadn't put much effort into learning anything about the game to communicate to the audience. I just have difficulty comprehending the purpose of a video like this -- uninformed guy plays game he has no interest in. It may make sense in context if you're already a fan for other reasons, but to me it seems like they're doing their viewers a disservice and wasting everyone's time, including their own.
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They did me a service by showing me what a horrendous slog the beginning of that game is.
 
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Brashnir said:
They did me a service by showing me what a horrendous slog the beginning of that game is.
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And that is the purpose of a quick look. Take a game, and play a part of it near the start. Sure the levels you eventually unlock might be awesome, but you have to get there, and the stuff you need to do to get there didn't seem fun.
 
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Brashnir

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Deactivision said:
Lol @ 8.3 second levels equalling a horrendous slog. Come on.
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Well, that's another part of the problem. You have to go out to the menu every "8.3 seconds" as you put it and pick another level. Part of what makes Warioware fun and hectic is that it just goes. It doesn't drop you out to a menu after every micro challenge.

I'd rather just play any of the listed games by themselves than do any of those isolated challanges.

In fact, I think I'll go play some Balloon Fight now.
 
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Keyser Soze

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People complain about people complaining on the Internet but only respond to complain about complaining posts complaining about them complaining.

#interesting
 
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Deactivision

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Brashnir said:
Well, that's another part of the problem. You have to go out to the menu every "8.3 seconds" as you put it and pick another level. Part of what makes Warioware fun and hectic is that it just goes. It doesn't drop you out to a menu after every micro challenge.

I'd rather just play any of the listed games by themselves than do any of those isolated challanges.

In fact, I think I'll go play some Balloon Fight now.
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I understand your point of view here; personally (having played it) I think the pacing of the game is great and re-trying for rainbow stars is super quick and painless, but opinions and all that. But I think you've made a more cogent point in four sentences than I got out of the 15-minute quick look video, which is telling.

Anyway, it's all good, I'm not here to defend the game against criticism and I really didn't intend to go on at such length about the GB guys. I do think they could benefit from re-considering how they present these videos, but that's their business and they have a following so they must be doing something right.
 
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TheBaronOfNA

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Deactivision said:
I understand your point of view here; personally (having played it) I think the pacing of the game is great and re-trying for rainbow stars is super quick and painless, but opinions and all that. But I think you've made a more cogent point in four sentences than I got out of the 15-minute quick look video, which is telling.

Anyway, it's all good, I'm not here to defend the game against criticism and I really didn't intend to go on at such length about the GB guys. I do think they could benefit from re-considering how they present these videos, but that's their business and they have a following so they must be doing something right.
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No is not. Is a QL and they are always being pretty liberal in how they show and comment about the games.
 
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mattiewheels

And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
I think the onus is on the game to be compelling in the 30 or so minutes they decide to quicklook it, from the viewpoint of a new customer. They shouldn't really worry about presenting it a certain way.
 
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Deactivision

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TheBaronOfNA said:
No is not. Is a QL and they are always being pretty liberal in how they show and comment about the games.
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Sure, and if people find value in that I'm not going to argue that they shouldn't. Does nothing for me personally, but I guess that's why I rarely watch this kind of stuff.

mattiewheels said:
I think the onus is on the game to be compelling in the 30 or so minutes they decide to quicklook it, from the viewpoint of a new customer. They shouldn't really worry about presenting it a certain way.
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I think even the most compelling game would be coloured by the reactions and commentary of the people presenting it. Anyone could half-heartedly play your all-time favourite game for a few minutes, complaining all the while, and make it look like it isn't any fun. Which is fine if they are bringing some insight or interesting takes to the table -- I just didn't see much of that here.

When you're possibly the only exposure a prospective buyer is going to have to a game, I'd think you'd want to take that responsibility a bit seriously. Complaining about stuff not being in the game that actually is in the game just looks lazy and doesn't do anyone any favours.
 
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Brashnir

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Deactivision said:
When you're possibly the only exposure a prospective buyer is going to have to a game, I'd think you'd want to take that responsibility a bit seriously. Complaining about stuff not being in the game that actually is in the game just looks lazy and doesn't do anyone any favours.
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Their job isn't to market games. They don't have any responsibility to show anything in any light other than how they honestly feel about it. As for the complaints, I don't think they'd be complaining about what's not in the game if the game itself was interesting and compelling enough to keep them interested on its own.

Hiding the good parts of the game behind a wall of tedium is literally the worst kind of game design imaginable. I have a lot of games to play, and not enough time to play them. If a game can't show me that it's worthwhile in the first hour, it's not worth my time to play it.
 
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Deactivision

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xxracerxx said:
Have you tried watching a few different quick looks?
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Not really, and I admitted that earlier. I saw a portion of their Wonderful 101 quick look a while ago, it wasn't as sloppy as this but it still suffered (IMO) for not having spent a little more time trying to understand the game before commenting on it.

Brashnir said:
Their job isn't to market games. They don't have any responsibility to show anything in any light other than how they honestly feel about it. As for the complaints, I don't think they'd be complaining about what's not in the game if the game itself was interesting and compelling enough to keep them interested on its own.

Hiding the good parts of the game behind a wall of tedium is literally the worst kind of game design imaginable. I have a lot of games to play, and not enough time to play them. If a game can't show me that it's worthwhile in the first hour, it's not worth my time to play it.
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I'm pretty sure most games have you playing the early parts before the later ones. I'd also guess what qualifies as the "good parts" and "tedium" are subjective, right? For my part, I was having plenty of fun with NES Remix long before I unlocked the Link/DK stage. It's not going to appeal to everyone the same way, of course, which is why a degree of objectivity and intellectual honesty goes a long way towards having credibility and not being dismissed as pointless jabbering.
 
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Brashnir

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Deactivision said:
Not really, and I admitted that earlier. I saw a portion of their Wonderful 101 quick look a while ago, it wasn't as sloppy as this but it still suffered (IMO) for not having spent a little more time trying to understand the game before commenting on it.



I'm pretty sure most games have you playing the early parts before the later ones. I'd also guess what qualifies as the "good parts" and "tedium" are subjective, right? For my part, I was having plenty of fun with NES Remix long before I unlocked the Link/DK stage. It's not going to appeal to everyone the same way, of course, which is why a degree of objectivity and intellectual honesty goes a long way towards having credibility and not being dismissed as pointless jabbering.
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Of course it's subjective. I see you're finally coming close to seeing the point of a Quick Look. They make a video of a game demonstrating their subjective experience with a game. That's it.
 
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Deactivision

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Brashnir said:
Of course it's subjective. I see you're finally coming close to seeing the point of a Quick Look. They make a video of a game demonstrating their subjective experience with a game. That's it.
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Okay. I guess that's a bit clearer then. Still having trouble finding value in such an exercise and justifying uninformed commentary. But I don't fault people for being amused by it.
 
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mattiewheels

And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Join the conversation! is gonna be the next thread title, isn't it?
 
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Typographenia

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kylej said:
Jeff has been in a nasty mood for a while now. He used the word "hate" many times during GOTY deliberations for the most bizarre reasons. Like, really, you HATE the effect used in the Amnesia OST? Chill out...
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His declaration that playing The Last of Us sucks was spot on, though. I was glad there was at least one person on staff that felt the same way I did about it.
 
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Typographenia said:
His declaration that playing The Last of Us sucks was spot on, though. I was glad there was at least one person on staff that felt the same way I did about it.
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Was it really "spot-on" though, or is it just the way a certain number of people feel about it? It's number one on a lot of people's GOTY lists, which is saying something for a platform exclusive, and I personally found the gameplay really fun once I got to Bill's Town. I dunno, I just take issue to the idea that someone can have a "correct" opinion on something that most people didn't have a problem with.

It just felt like an evolution of the Resident Evil 4 style of shooter. Which is fine by me, because I love that game.
 
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xxracerxx

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Deactivision said:
Not really, and I admitted that earlier. I saw a portion of their Wonderful 101 quick look a while ago, it wasn't as sloppy as this but it still suffered (IMO) for not having spent a little more time trying to understand the game before commenting on it.
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I just feel you are missing the point of the actual Quick Looks. These are not video reviews, they are brief videos of the Giant Bomb guys picking up a game from the very beginning or after having spent some actual time with it and showing a quick 15 to 1 hour long video of them talking while playing it and sharing their impressions. This is in no way a final view of the game but it speaks loudly to the viewer if the guys are going to stick with it or drop it in favor of more robust/fun games out there.
 
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Infinite Justice

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LackingSaint said:
Was it really "spot-on" though, or is it just the way a certain number of people feel about it? It's number one on a lot of people's GOTY lists, which is saying something for a platform exclusive, and I personally found the gameplay really fun once I got to Bill's Town. I dunno, I just take issue to the idea that someone can have a "correct" opinion on something that most people didn't have a problem with.

It just felt like an evolution of the Resident Evil 4 style of shooter. Which is fine by me, because I love that game.
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IIRC he didn't like RE4 either.
 
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louiedog

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firehawk12 said:
Are they still planning a membership sale in January?
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You can get a one year Paypal (direct CC payment is also an option) membership with no t-shirt via this post. That's the same deal that they do for regular sales and I assume it'll be the same if they do one in January. The codes closer to the bottom under "more codes" still have some uses left. You need to use the link to the store in that post to get to the correct item. It'll take a few hours (or maybe until next week because of the time) to be applied to your account.
 
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LackingSaint said:
Was it really "spot-on" though, or is it just the way a certain number of people feel about it? It's number one on a lot of people's GOTY lists, which is saying something for a platform exclusive, and I personally found the gameplay really fun once I got to Bill's Town. I dunno, I just take issue to the idea that someone can have a "correct" opinion on something that most people didn't have a problem with.

It just felt like an evolution of the Resident Evil 4 style of shooter. Which is fine by me, because I love that game.
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Are you saying just because it goes against the grain, it's wrong? That it's not possible to dislike the way a game plays at face value instead of trying to push some agenda or acting contrarian? Just because a lot of people think that way doesn't make it right, that's a logical fallacy.
 
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Deactivision

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xxracerxx said:
I just feel you are missing the point of the actual Quick Looks. These are not video reviews, they are brief videos of the Giant Bomb guys picking up a game from the very beginning or after having spent some actual time with it and showing a quick 15 to 1 hour long video of them talking while playing it and sharing their impressions. This is in no way a final view of the game but it speaks loudly to the viewer if the guys are going to stick with it or drop it in favor of more robust/fun games out there.
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I'll admit to having missed the point. But I still think they'd be doing themselves and their audience a favour by putting in a bit more effort.
 
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xxracerxx

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Deactivision said:
I'll admit to having missed the point. But I still think they'd be doing themselves and their audience a favour by putting in a bit more effort.
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Nah....initial impressions are a wonderful thing to get across to their audience.

Seriously, go watch the WarioWare QL, they love the fuck out of that game.
 
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Deactivision

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xxracerxx said:
Nah....initial impressions are a wonderful thing to get across to their audience.

Seriously, go watch the WarioWare QL, they love the fuck out of that game.
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I want to get out of this thread so badly, but I just can't see how demonstrating one's cluelessness about a game is a truly valuable impression. "Hi, here's a game, I played it a bit, I don't really know much about it but it seems kind of fun/crappy. Maybe after playing it another hour or two I will feel differently but you'll likely never know, so there you have it."

It just seems like an approach that lacks respect for the game and for the audience, and is potentially embarrassing for the GB guys themselves (if they are prone to such emotions).
 
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Brashnir

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Deactivision said:
I want to get out of this thread so badly, but I just can't see how demonstrating one's cluelessness about a game is a truly valuable impression. "Hi, here's a game, I played it a bit, I don't really know much about it but it seems kind of fun/crappy. Maybe after playing it another hour or two I will feel differently but you'll likely never know, so there you have it."

It just seems like an approach that lacks respect for the game and for the audience, and is potentially embarrassing for the GB guys themselves (if they are prone to such emotions).
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You take this shit way too seriously.
 
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demidar

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Deactivision said:
I want to get out of this thread so badly, but I just can't see how demonstrating one's cluelessness about a game is a truly valuable impression. "Hi, here's a game, I played it a bit, I don't really know much about it but it seems kind of fun/crappy. Maybe after playing it another hour or two I will feel differently but you'll likely never know, so there you have it."

It just seems like an approach that lacks respect for the game and for the audience, and is potentially embarrassing for the GB guys themselves (if they are prone to such emotions).
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"Hi, I'm gonna walk into a thread, completely miss the point of a video feature, then fall over myself again and again trying to defend me missing the point"
 
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Kerned

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Deactivision said:
I want to get out of this thread so badly, but I just can't see how demonstrating one's cluelessness about a game is a truly valuable impression. "Hi, here's a game, I played it a bit, I don't really know much about it but it seems kind of fun/crappy. Maybe after playing it another hour or two I will feel differently but you'll likely never know, so there you have it."

It just seems like an approach that lacks respect for the game and for the audience, and is potentially embarrassing for the GB guys themselves (if they are prone to such emotions).
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The things you seem to want from Giant Bomb are things that Giant Bomb has no interest in providing to you.
 
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Deactivision

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demidar said:
"Hi, I'm gonna walk into a thread, completely miss the point of a video feature, then fall over myself again and again trying to defend me missing the point"
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Heh. I'm not defending anything, just honestly trying to grok why anyone would stand behind that NES Remix quick look. But it's clearly beyond me, and I've wasted enough time already.
 
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sixghost

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Deactivision said:
Heh. I'm not defending anything, just honestly trying to grok why anyone would stand behind that NES Remix quick look. But it's clearly beyond me, and I've wasted enough time already.
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Because they showed what the game was like, didn't care for it much, then moved on. Viewers can think for themselves and read up on the game if it seems like something they're interested in. I don't need someone to be a master player or know every single thing about the game to form an opinion for myself.
 
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