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Giant Bomb are bringing back the Endurance Run... and it's Shenmue.
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Basileus777
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A large portion of it was nonsensical hate directed at Patrick.
Gozer the Gozerian
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Fuck off Dan you're the worst!
EPCOT rocks
EPCOT rocks
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah, but then Austin has most likely already played Shenmue multiple times and would end up guiding them to the right place after a few minutes, what makes this trio work is that they're ALL equally clueless about the game.
I mean, at that point if I'm Charlie if I know where you live I'd get you while you're sleeping or bash your head the moment you stepped out your front door.
The weird kid with soccer ball (more witnesses) giving you pre-warning just seems confusingly elaborate. Nitpicking I know.
Oh yes, point & click adventure games, bastions of logical gameplay :-/ Showing every item you've ever picked up to everyone you meet, and also rubbing them against every other object...that makes more sense than just asking people questions?
All this hyperbole about how "broken" the game is, yet they've been moving through the game at a normal pace for first-time players and haven't got stuck once. If this were a 90s adventure game they would've hit several obtuse roadblocks by now.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Most of the game so far consisted of them asking people if they know where to find something.
I feel like it's kinda impossible to get stuck here
_StreetSonic_
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Good episode. I'm not convinced that they fully know what zooming in does. I'll see when they get to an important part of the story that forces you to use it.
That's my point. All this hoopla about how poorly the game is sign posted and what you can and can't do is overblown. In genuinely poor games, it is often unclear what to do next. In Shenmue you almost always know what to do next. I'm not saying the investigation gameplay is perfect but I think it has a fairly consistent logic to it.
There is genuinely bad gameplay in Shenmue later on, but thankfully it comes in fairly brief sections.
Probably never, sadly. I want Vinny to go down a deep hole trying to win at the raffle, and then be totally fucking confused by the Mr Yukawa figures.
Rev up your engines, new episode just went live.
Quick scan through the episode reveals
EDIT: Vinny forgot X = notebook. CHRISTMAS CANCELLED
DOUBLE EDIT: Irony of ironies, it seems Alex best understands Shenmue's weird mix of game and real world logic. Is he tsundere for Shenmue?
Quick scan through the episode reveals
they reached Master Chen. I was worried they didn't, but thank fuck. Failed enough times on the stealth section to get the map though, which is to be expected. I don't think I know anybody who managed it first time around without that.
EDIT: Vinny forgot X = notebook. CHRISTMAS CANCELLED
DOUBLE EDIT: Irony of ironies, it seems Alex best understands Shenmue's weird mix of game and real world logic. Is he tsundere for Shenmue?
That part had me in stitches.
Can't imagine the Japanese dialog would be any less awkward.
It's a weird mix of game logic and real world logic, but it's part of his little character arc
that he's trying to save his business by selling hotdogs to the harbour workers. He dropped a hint that he's going broke back when looking for sailors.
He'd never been there before Ryo went, I guess?
VeryGooster
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Tom's in on it, man. His hot dog truck is a Cartel front.
uomoartificiale
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Oh, so I guess they did not find the cassette player then, but I'll get back to watch anyway. Do they trained a bit at least?
so in part 10 they've talk to two people in the first 6 mins. One says "the new warehouse district" the other one says "the warehouse district"
Just putting it out there.
Fortunately that's also fixed in the second one. From what I remember, you can set it so you can move using the analog stick, you also don't have to hold run anymore either.
VeryGooster
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Man honestly it'd be a bit of a shame of this one turned them away from tackling Shenmue 2 because it does address a number of issues but I feel like there's a lot more to do in it.
It's not known as the warehouse district. It's not called the warehouse district. It's the New Yokosuka Harbour in Amihama, and the only mention of a warehouse district is by NPCs who work there, who would know there are warehouses in the first place.
Again, for reasons I explained many times, very few Dobuita NPCs would have cause to know what the hell is at the harbour. I cannot believe I have to repeat this shit again.
They seem to be having a good time laughing at a lot of the odd things in the game, and most people also seem to be having a good time watching them, so I bet they'll do 2.
If anybody wants to know what STRONG sounds like (plus other cassettes in the game), here's a playlist.
STRONG sounds like a weird remix of a track from SEGA Bass Fishing. I think that was an AM2 joint, especially considering there's a SEGA Bass/Marine Fishing poster hidden in a shop in Shenmue II.
STRONG sounds like a weird remix of a track from SEGA Bass Fishing. I think that was an AM2 joint, especially considering there's a SEGA Bass/Marine Fishing poster hidden in a shop in Shenmue II.
As a Shenmue lover, I'm having a good time since episode 7.
... And I'm actually starting to really like Vinny, Dan & Alex, despite them making me very frustrated from time to time. ^_^
It's the monster they keep it the warehouse office running it's tongue up and down the steel beams.
2spooky sound design
I'm 99% I passed the stealth section on the first attempt. But if I remember well, I failed the flashlight QTE at first. Vinny failed pretty much every QTE at first attempt but somehow managed to pass this one like a boss :-D
About the map the homeless man gives to Ryo (I assume you get no help from him if you don't buy him the coffee?), the blank "squares" will fill up if/when you point the flashlight at the building number.
I think you might still get the help even without the coffee, otherwise that section would be an even bigger pain in the ass. I'm not 100% on that, though, and I don't really want to replay the original Shenmue for the second time in a week just to find out, haha. I'm prepping for the juicy final hour, and the equally juicy Shenmue II.
Man it's so weird that the opening of Shenmue II is roughly the same pace as Shenmue's climax, but I guess, to borrow a phrase from the ER, Shenmue II is the real Shenmue. Looking back on all the pre-release materials, Shenmue II content is the meat of what they show up until like just under a year before release.
To be honest, Shenmue being split into the original and II pretty late in development accounts for so many of the first game's issues, but fuck it, it helped refine II in almost every way.
Although I do prefer Shenmue II over I, I really enjoyed the first chapter, despite the slow pacing and some flawed mechanics or limitations (like not being able to fast forward).
Probably because at the time and thanks to the mandatory "time-killing" design choice, I've absorbed at my own pace the "open world" of Yokosuka.
Watching the ER, it seems to me that the biggest issue Vinny is having with the game, are the controls.
I think the strengths of Shenmue I aren't really shown very well in this kind of "Let's Play" format.
I'd argue the strengths of it were the atmosphere, how detailed it was, and how the world and NPCs changed over the course of the game. Course if you're playing it on video, you don't really have the time to stop and take notice of a lot of that. Even then it's not for everyone.
I'd argue the strengths of it were the atmosphere, how detailed it was, and how the world and NPCs changed over the course of the game. Course if you're playing it on video, you don't really have the time to stop and take notice of a lot of that. Even then it's not for everyone.
Disk 1 is make or break for most people TBH. I dunno, I think ideally a truncated version of Shenmue that mixes content from Disk 1 into the through-line of Disk 2 would have helped a lot. Judging from the Saturn Shenmue video and pre-release Shenmue media that probably was going to be the deal, but I guess the split meant having to pad out the opening hours to squeeze the most out of Dobuita as a location.
Not helped by their potato-quality capture. Would've been so much better in VGA.
Cindi Mayweather
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Agreed. It's not the best game to be rushed the first time. It's something you savor kinda?
Brat-Sampson
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Not sure what I laughed at most in part 10,
or
This series is fantastic.
Tom just 'being' in the warehouse district and still having no clue where anything is
The horror at the thought of only getting one stealth attempt per 24 hours
the first reveal of the (initially) useless map.
This series is fantastic.
No, it's because the residents of Dobuita are merely machines masquerading as humans and only know what they were preloaded to know.
According to Gamefaqs, you are then on your own:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/dreamcast/198621-shenmue/faqs/18346
Cindi Mayweather
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Did they finish the stealth section before Christmas because we need to see the Nozomi X Ryo scene so we can laugh. It's tradition
Yeah they did.
Ryo knowing the lunch shop lady and Tom's betrayal basically says all you need to know about the "durr where is warehouse???" saga of Shenmue
Tom is just hilarious because prior to you going to the Harbour, he's always in Dobuita. However, suddenly when you go to the Harbour, he teleports there too.
Cindi Mayweather
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They work at the harbor. Of course it's called the warehouse district to them.
It does indeed.
Tom is just hilarious because prior to you going to the Harbour, he's always in Dobuita. However, suddenly when you go to the Harbour, he teleports there too.
He finally realized his restaurant was on wheels.
Cindi Mayweather
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Lunch lady is the daughter of the lady in Dobuita. They've got two locations and you never see Hikasa in Dobuita. At least, I haven't. By the same token, her mother never goes to the harbor. Ryo probably doesn't know about Hikasa working the harbor location or didn't think to ask about it.
I'm not sure why this is so confusing. It's been pretty clear that to regular citizens who don't work there, the harbor is just the harbor. To people who work there, obviously they give the warehouse areas a nickname in the warehouse district. At my job, we have nicknames for things regular citizens wouldn't know about either.
This makes a lot of sense and you're just nitpicking the game.
Tom is just hilarious because prior to you going to the Harbour, he's always in Dobuita. However, suddenly when you go to the Harbour, he teleports there too.
Yup. Tom is a creeper.
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