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[Xeteh]

I highly doubt she would feel hurt by what some random internet dude said

Hope so. She's been on GB stuff for a while... but when she showed up on Jason/Lisa's extra life stream and stayed there for the duration... I became a fan of Sam. It was fucking awesome.

 

[Lazyslob]

If you don't like Samantha that's fine, feel free to mute the stream whilst she's on. But do you need to announce it? Does you announcing your dislike for her result in anything other than maybe making her feel down if she reads the thread at any point?

what he is talking about is relevant thats why. if he doesnt like a guest he can say it if he wants

 

[Glitchesarecool]

It's so awesome to hear that VR is succeeding.

I feel like I have to go in on Oculus though.

 

[BUNTING1243]

I think it's best we avoid being mean spirited towards any of the guests, in general. That's something to try out.

yep! I feel like appearing on a stream like this is way harder and nerve-wracking than anyone who hasn't been on it could understand

 

[skLaFarebear]

Be nice everyone! Each person is entitled to their own opinion, if you don't like it then ignore it.

 

[Archaix]

I mean considering that Jeff is really impressed with everything else it seems a bit over the top to say Microsoft is bsing people. It seems awesome regardless of fov.

The Kinect seemed ridiculously amazing when you only got five minutes and a plate full of Microsoft's lies too. If they weren't so addicted to being dishonest about their actual limitations I'd be a lot more ready to be excited about the near future of the technology.

Even the illumiroom looked cool for a demonstration.

 

[Myggen]

I think it's best we avoid being mean spirited towards any of the guests, in general. That's something to try out.

Agree.

 

[Mushroomer25]

Kudo literally told Jeff that the FOV wouldn't get much larger. Every time I hear somebody get completely shocked at the truth about Hololens I get pissed off at Microsoft's bullshit all over again.

He said not to expect full peripheral vision. And please, explain to me a more accurate way of showing off HoloLens content. They're filling the screen with what you're going to see with the device. If that peeves you, all gameplay demos should be an off-camera shot of a TV playing the game. Because that's what you're REALLY seeing, right?

 

[HotHamWater]

Everyone knows a Trackmania track is only as good as the Cher song that accompanies it.

 

[skLaFarebear]

A morpheus cooking game :O

 

[Archaix]

He said not to expect full peripheral vision. And please, explain to me a more accurate way of showing off HoloLens content. They're filling the screen with what you're going to see with the device. If that peeves you, all gameplay demos should be an off-camera shot of a TV playing the game. Because that's what you're REALLY seeing, right?

Don't fill the screen with it. Show it in a small box representative of what you'd actually see. Don't fake interactivity with scripted and rehearsed events. Don't hide occlusion problems by showing the camera from angles where the image isn't laid on top of the person's hand. Don't fucking lie, that's literally all I'm asking of them.

 

[M0nochromatic]

Criticisms and discussion sure, but always try and keep it respectful.

 

[HotHamWater]

A morpheus cooking game :O

Chubigans, get on this!

 

[a secret-boss]

I'm about to buy google cardboard with this VR talks just to tide me over until Vive

 

[kai3345]

Greg Miller, Burnie Burns and John Drake are the next segment

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

I highly doubt she would feel hurt by what some random internet dude said

I speak as somebody who's upset a person in the industry because I was a dick about how they did things on a forum. Once they contacted me about it I felt like shit and stopped criticizing people on the internet.

If her self esteem is affected by someone posting on some message board then she has other issues that need to be dealt with.

If somebody annoys you in real life you don't say it to their face, if you say it to their face and they're upset by it it doesn't mean they have issues.

What about the people who complained about Greg Miller, who was defending him? I'm seeing a lot of double standards here.

I don't think people should talk mess about Greg or Dan or anybody else for what it's worth. I also feel double standards would only be an issue if I was rallying with them in their criticism against Greg.

Someone said she was the best guest and I disagreed. I don't see a problem with that.

I don't see a problem with that, I also don't see why you can't just keep it to yourself.

 

[Myggen]

Chubigans, get on this!

Yeah, it sounds like a great idea.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

Don't fill the screen with it. Show it in a small box representative of what you'd actually see. Don't fake interactivity with scripted and rehearsed events. Don't hide occlusion problems by showing the camera from angles where the image isn't laid on top of the person's hand. Don't fucking lie, that's literally all I'm asking of them.

I'm with you on this. I went into E3 thinking Sony was going to be super misleading with Morpheus, but it ended up being Microsoft.

I'm glad they're working on the tech and I hope it will be awesome someday, but Hololens is far from what they are selling it as.

 

[BanGy.nz]

I played amplitude the same way Jeff did. #FaceButton.

 

[chubigans]

Chubigans, get on this!

Man I wanna try VR so bad, it sounds crazy!

The last time I tried VR was in 1998 or so at a mall. It was $2.00 for 1 minute, with graphics like virtua fighter on the genesis. How boy.

 

[Zaph]

He said not to expect full peripheral vision. And please, explain to me a more accurate way of showing off HoloLens content. They're filling the screen with what you're going to see with the device. If that peeves you, all gameplay demos should be an off-camera shot of a TV playing the game. Because that's what you're REALLY seeing, right?

"the FOV isn't exactly final, but I wouldn't say it would be hugely, noticeably different either"

If that's the FOV they're releasing with, they need to start setting expectations in their promotional/marketing videos now or they're going to set themselves up to fail.

 

[Salsa]

One other guest segment with Cowboy, Rami and Adam Boyes. It was a good one.

rewinding another stream tab while on break

awyeahhh

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

 

[Twin Tails]

 

[TharpDaddy]

Don't fill the screen with it. Show it in a small box representative of what you'd actually see. Don't fake interactivity with scripted and rehearsed events. Don't hide occlusion problems by showing the camera from angles where the image isn't laid on top of the person's hand. Don't fucking lie, that's literally all I'm asking of them.

You're accusing them of a lot of things, I can't say i've read enough on it to know if those are the case but sure, be skeptical. I think it's cool that Jeff and co say it works as advertised beyond a smaller fov, if that turns out to not be the case at some point then i'll get angry then, not before.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

 

[Minions]

Dang that room is packed now.

 

[JJDubz]

BLACK DRAGON

 

[Zero-Crescent]

 

[An-Det]

Black Dragon finally sighted in the back room. I was starting to get worried since it was getting late.

 

[USC-fan]

That was terrible. This can be so hit or miss. Man that green room is packed.

 

[SmackAttack]

Another good segment with good talk about VR.

 

[Volotaire]

I've tried VR at some EGX conventions in the UK. Experience was great, but I feel compelled to wait for a final a '2nd/3rd consumer version' before I bite the bullet.

 

[BanGy.nz]

BLACK DRAGON!

 

[HotHamWater]

I'd know that salt and pepper Black Dragon anywhere...

 

[PushTheButtonMax]

I spy a black dragon.

 

[Rhaknar]

 

[Keyser Soze]

 

[Lazulic]

 

[Glitchesarecool]

I'm about to buy google cardboard with this VR talks just to tide me over until Vive

It's really not that great. The problem is that the cardboard touches the screen constantly if your phone isn't the perfect size.

 

[mattp]

 

[Teddified]

 

[M0nochromatic]

Good segment, and great discussion.

 

[Archaix]

You're accusing them of a lot of things, I can't say i've read enough on it to know if those are the case but sure, be skeptical. I think it's cool that Jeff and co say it works as advertised beyond a smaller fov, if that turns out to not be the case at some point then i'll get angry then, not before.

Jeff's demo was not interactive at all. And if you watch the video from the presentation, you can see the guy on stage missing his cues too and the demo goes on before he makes any faked action to control it. And Jeff also mentioned that if you wave your hand in front of the glasses, the image always goes on top of your hand, which the stage demo clearly implied was not the case when he reached down "into" the image.

 

[def sim]

 

[skLaFarebear]

Jeff and Kanye in a 1 on 1 interview is gonna be the last segment.

 

[BUNTING1243]

it's a lockdown baby you drive me crazy
think no escaping
love's got me doing time
you're my adreniline
my judge and jury
i'm feeling guilty
so lock me up and throw away the key
yeah yeah
i said lock me up and throw away the key
yeah oohhh-ooh
lock me up and throw away the key
oohhh-ohhh yeah
you can't restrain me
you can search me
i've given it all up to be with you
i'm so happy
now you've got me
now i surrender all my love to you

 

[Myggen]

Another great segment!

 

[OdysseusVA]

Where is Drake?!

 

[Mushroomer25]

Don't fill the screen with it. Show it in a small box representative of what you'd actually see. Don't fake interactivity with scripted and rehearsed events. Don't hide occlusion problems by showing the camera from angles where the image isn't laid on top of the person's hand. Don't fucking lie, that's literally all I'm asking of them.

Again, I fail to see the difference between showing HoloLens content in full screen and any other gaming content in full screen. They're showcasing AR graphics technology, and what the device is capable of applying to real world visuals. Plus, it's not suggested that what you're seeing in HoloLens demos is a first-person perspective. If Microsoft releases a trailer where you see from the user perspective, lowering on a headset, and see full peripheral - that's inaccurate.

As is, the demo seems perfectly fair. Like any of this AR tech, it's working out how to express an inherently first-person experience in third person.