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Giant Bomb GoTY 2016- Agent 47, take out that Doom Marine
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I think more of them than you think. They are pretty aware of the cult standing of the original by now, and with Platinum on dev duties (and no doubt the level of enthusiasm behind the recent demo that will certainly sustain at launch), it will be hard for them to merely ignore it.
That is if its good....
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
I would think that Vinny and maybe Alex will look at that game.
Vinny will look at it but not have the time to devote to it.
He kind of said all he is capable of though on multiple occasions in different categories during the week. It was very apparent just how flared his passion for the game was, but expecting a verbal diatribe or an academic breakdown on the strengths of the design and player engagement...cmon now, this is Dan.
That said, I do think they did good by dropping
Uncharted
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
True.
LurkerPrime
Member
Finally got to the Best Music section...
Here are the facts:
Here are the facts:
- Dan pushed for Stardew Valley in the Best Music category.
- Dan did not use the Journey of the Prairie King (The Outlaw) song or the SDV Overture.
- Alex mentioned Civ6 in the Best Music category.
- Alex did not showcase Sogno Di Volare.
Magic Mushroom
Member
Those guest GotY lists are damn good. Steve Gaynor totally nails why The Last Guardian is so good.
Every time I see one of Bethesda's DLC trailers pop-up for DOOM I get a little disappointed.
This might be a weird complaint, but I really dislike how they change up the reticle, UI, guns, etc. for multiplayer and SnapMap. I know it's different studios doing different modes so it's bound to be disjointed, but none of it feels or looks as good as the single player.
This might be a weird complaint, but I really dislike how they change up the reticle, UI, guns, etc. for multiplayer and SnapMap. I know it's different studios doing different modes so it's bound to be disjointed, but none of it feels or looks as good as the single player.
Death Metalist
Member
Jeff's deadpan face when he pushed over the drum kit killed me. RIP
Jeff's massive emotional swings and constant self-contradiction has driven me crazy for years, but this is definitely the funniest example of the latter I've seen so far. At this point, I think he just likes to fuck with everybody and pick contrarian opinions at critical moments to see if he can get away with pushing them all the way through. I'm convinced that he pushed Mario Marker for the Best Old Games for no reason other than to troll critics of the GOTY 2015 decision. I don't really place value in most of his opinions/analysis anymore because of this (at least when I can tell he's being overly emotional about something), but on the other hand I'm starting to find him far more entertaining than I did previously.
The Dear Leader
Banned
No one man should have all that power.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
I want more Vinny singing.
My favorite Jeff master-troll this year was arguing Burnout Paradise shouldn't be excluded from best 360 game because the DLC was a pain to get on PC - while Mass Effect 2 on PC is worse forcing you to go directly through bioware's website. Note it's still not for sale on steam. I don't know if Origin made it easier but when ME2 came out Origin didn't exist.
Poor, poor Vinny
I'm pretty certain that when I checked recently you still had to go through the absurd bioware point nonsense to purchase the DLCs. It's the main reason I haven't ever replayed the ME trilogy even though I'd really like to.
EdReedFan20
Member
Looking at Gamefaqs, I'm just about halfway through Doom. I'm loving the heck out of it, but how it came so close to winning best story confounds me. The game is really fun (like really fun) and deserves it's spot on the GOTY list, but the story to me is definitely not its strength. In fact, most FPS games, in my opinion, lack a good story. I just feel too many FPS games have you, as the player, alone for too long, fighting off waves after waves of enemies. When I look at more cinematic games, like, say, Uncharted, you often have an AI companion to play off of, which creates a more engaging story in my opinion. I liked Jeff's suggestion that a campaign of the year be added next year. Doom would've probably won that award. I'm hoping the story gets better (I'm at the point where Doomguy just
. This may seem controversial, but (despite not playing it), I thought the story (well, during the cutscenes at least) in Hitman was more compelling. But, I have half a game to go, so.....
entered Hell)
Oh yeah! I forgot they also made you buy Arbitrary point amounts that were not at all equal to the dollar cost of the DLC!
I think he should have a place, but goddamn does he have too much power. I just finished day 4 and he almost got a best moment onto the list against basically the entire staff's desire to have Limbo on there, and too often he's just like "this is going to be on the list" and that's that.
T
thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
So I guess Mass Effect 2 the game Vinny went to both Patrick and Austin separately to complain about?
They mentioned it on the waypoint podcast but didn't want to spoil what the game was Vinny was so upset about.
They mentioned it on the waypoint podcast but didn't want to spoil what the game was Vinny was so upset about.
2 Slice Toaster
Member
Watching people lose their shit over the deliberations of a group for a videogame GOTY list is some of the best entertainment you can get on GAF.
bearythebear
Member
I assumed Hitman for GOTY a couple weeks ago, but surprised that Brad wasn't its champion for No. 1
Splitting Giant Bomb into west and east was a really smart decision, I feel like Vinny's voice gets lost (out of his own politeness) during these big group discussions. The GOTY podcasts also made me release how much they need another Patrick or Austin to draw out deeper discussion; a lot of this year's deliberations fell back on "this game is good just because" reasoning
Here's hoping they aim for a more diverse giant bomb team for 2017 (Female staff member please!!!!) .
Here's hoping they aim for a more diverse giant bomb team for 2017 (Female staff member please!!!!) .
SatelliteOfLove
Member
I want that squatting DOUBLE GRIP mic technique giffed.
I assume it's been brought up in the past 100 pages somewhere, but Brad really messed up in the 'Best story' discussion.
(Uncharted 3 and 4 spoilers)
It's all pretty hokey, imo. But if the runner-up was DOOM, I guess I'm OK with UC4 winning still. But it was frustrating to listen to.
(Uncharted 3 and 4 spoilers)
Firstly, his big argument hinges upon a factual error about the series... The fact that Drake isn't Nathan's real last name wasn't revealed in Uncharted 4, it was first revealed in Uncharted 3. I don't blame him for it, since it was quite subtle, just an off-hand remark made by the villain.
He says he loves the reveal since it takes away Nathan's "destined adventurer" status, making him just an average bloke. Which is true, this was exactly the purpose of the reveal in Uncharted 3. We find out that Nathan's mother committed suicide, and his father entrusted him to the state. He's a total nobody orphan, who picks up the Drake name from the name of the boy's home where he grew up. It was a nice twist, and one that made much more sense than him actually being a secret heir of Francis Drake.
But the sequence in Uncharted 4 that Brad was so enthusiastic about kind of messes all that up. Not only does it retread the "reveal" of Nathan's real name, it retcons Nathan's mother committing suicide while making her into some genius historian who hung out with another female globe-trotting adventurer. In addition to all that, his mother apparently had some theories Francis Drake's secret heirs, which becomes the inspiration for the name. So instead of taking away Nathan's "destined adventurer" status, it kind of reinserts it, by making it like Nathan and Sam were always destined to follow in their mother's footsteps. Which is weird, since Nathan never brings up his mother in any of the games, even after this flashback sequence.
He says he loves the reveal since it takes away Nathan's "destined adventurer" status, making him just an average bloke. Which is true, this was exactly the purpose of the reveal in Uncharted 3. We find out that Nathan's mother committed suicide, and his father entrusted him to the state. He's a total nobody orphan, who picks up the Drake name from the name of the boy's home where he grew up. It was a nice twist, and one that made much more sense than him actually being a secret heir of Francis Drake.
But the sequence in Uncharted 4 that Brad was so enthusiastic about kind of messes all that up. Not only does it retread the "reveal" of Nathan's real name, it retcons Nathan's mother committing suicide while making her into some genius historian who hung out with another female globe-trotting adventurer. In addition to all that, his mother apparently had some theories Francis Drake's secret heirs, which becomes the inspiration for the name. So instead of taking away Nathan's "destined adventurer" status, it kind of reinserts it, by making it like Nathan and Sam were always destined to follow in their mother's footsteps. Which is weird, since Nathan never brings up his mother in any of the games, even after this flashback sequence.
It's all pretty hokey, imo. But if the runner-up was DOOM, I guess I'm OK with UC4 winning still. But it was frustrating to listen to.
ScientificPizza
Banned
Yikes. This is wild.
RecRoulette
Member
I think I mentioned it before, but I was shocked that they liked that flashback, I thought I was getting close to the end, and I was already getting sick of playing it, then they dropped that flashback. I was so pissed I quit playing for the night.
I'd be mad too since they essentially all lied or gave misinformation to Vinny to get ME2 off that list.
Yeah, it's really boring to play and has zero consequences to the rest of the story. It kinda feels like it was supposed to be in the beginning of the game, but they realised the intro was already too bloated, and inserted it as a flashback into the back third of the game.
To be clear, everything in UC4 is incredibly well written, acted and animated. It's spectacular how "real" the dialogue between the characters feels. But it's all in the service of kind of an "just ok" story, imo.
I'm not a Giant Bomb regular (only occasionally check out quick looks / endurance runs) but I actually quite like their list for the variety. I'm looking for a mashup of their opinions, I don't need an 'objective' top 10 games of the year that end up being a boring AAA list like Angry Joe's.
I get a kick out of people losing their minds because a game they liked isn't liked by 7 strangers but some people make it personal and its just sad.
EdReedFan20
Member
Actually, there's a lot of confusion about the Drake part. It does not come from the orphanage's name. The orphanage is called Saint Francis School, named for Saint Francis of Assisi, the patron saint of Animals. Sir Francis Drake is a totally different person (perhaps Naughty Dog should've given the orphanage a different name). Cassandra Morgan (Nathan and Sam's mother) and the old woman had a theory that Francis Drake secretly had descendants, despite history saying other wise. It was Sam, using Cassandra's theory, as a way to suggest changing their last name to Drake, so they could create a new life for themselves. That was just after they were nearly caught by the police, which would've been bad, as the old woman was dead and she was the one who called the police to come to her house. Sam said he knew someone who cold forge documents for them, giving them a fresh to escape from everything. Also, it did not retcon anything about their mother. There is a line in Uncharted 4, where Nathan says the kids at the orphanage tease him by saying his mother is in Hell. In Catholicism (which is the religion at the orphanage), it is believed one who commits suicide is sentenced to an eternity in Hell. It's a subtle reference, but if you know what happened to her mother (due to Marlowe's line in Uncharted 3) and understand the context of Nathan's line, it's still canonical that Cassandra committed suicide.
Roadrat was robbed!
BarringGaffner
Member
lying is perfectly acceptable in GB GOTY discussions if it means something they care about gets on the list.
they kept on teasing about doing one for some gamespot content from 2004, but where is it
next year is a long way away
Hmm yeah I think you're right about the suicide and the orphanage's name. Totally forgot about the comment about Hell. The old woman had a line about Cassandra succumbing to illness, but I guess she took her own life before it got too bad or something? In any case, I think the whole sequence just kind of over-complicates something that was neatly handled in UC3. After UC3, I had the impression that Nate was just some orphan and history buff who somehow became obsessed with Sir Francis Drake. That "somehow" didn't need to explained imo, especially in a lengthy flashback just as the game is ramping up.
EdReedFan20
Member
That was my guess as well, unless
by illness, she meant mentally, instead of physically
it was a nice touch for Nate and Elena to name their daughter Cassie, after Cassandra. Also, fun fact: The Drake family's dog is named is Vicky. There was a brief mention somewhere in the game where (I think) Nate says to Sully, if he ever gets a dog, he's naming it after him. Nate followed through. But, you can't name a girl dog Victor, so they went with Vicky.
What's it gonna take to get Dan to cover Cibo Matto's Birthday Cake?
Jeff: "When does the beat drop?"
I played through Jet Set Radio Future last year and you just gave me Vietnam-esque flashbacks to whenever that song came on.
Shame because the song before it I think was Aisle 10 which is a classic.
Fuck Rex, Best Music should be presented by JSRF every year.