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Giant Bomb GoTY 2016- Agent 47, take out that Doom Marine

The moment they fought over for Inside isn't even my favorite sequence in Inside.

The shockwave area is. For a long time you are wondering what that noise and shaking is, and you walk outside to see shockwaves going off. The sound/music combo there is amazing, and the first time you die there you wont forget it.

Yeah, that's my favorite too. Amazing deaths in that game.
The spotlight tether thing that drags you off is really good too.
 

Grisby

Member
(spoilers for the whole game)
Yeah, I remember reading some of the thread but not eh bit about the
sidequests stuff.
Crazy, but there's hard evidence.

Wonder when we'll get to see a conclusion now.
The moment they fought over for Inside isn't even my favorite sequence in Inside.

The shockwave area is. For a long time you are wondering what that noise and shaking is, and you walk outside to see shockwaves going off. The sound/music combo there is amazing, and the first time you die there you wont forget it.
Yep. It's a far more memorable moment to me too. The end is crazy, but this part was magical and scary.
 
I totally believe Austin could get Stardew into the Best Music list if he was so inclined. He's really good at backing up his passion for a thing. (The only negative is that he can also use it for evil, as seen in the Fallout 4 discussions last year.)

Which reminds me, I don't think I've heard and GotY deliberations with Patrick before. I'll have to work my way there some time--curious to see his method.
But if the "but" isn't part of the game they care about and if the great game part is better than the other great game then I think it shouldn't matter.
The thing is, it's a specter around the game. Anyone responsible would be obligated to mention it when pushing it as this great experience; and if they didn't, someone else would. For Doom in particular, it will always be the thing fans try to ignore, while being easy fodder for detractors to use against the game.

Like, I haven't listened to the last two days of deliberations yet, but I imagine it will play into Jeff's stratagem for getting TF2 up there past whatever else is being considered. I imagine in Jeff's eyes, it's the best "complete package" of the year (for the purposes of their top ten), AFAIK.
 

Antiwhippy

the holder of the trombone
Doesn't even make that point in the main game. Just a hidden ending for acquiring all secrets, and even then it's not really hammered home.

I mean I don't need it to be hammered home, I just need my themes to be cohesive overall, and everything i've seen about inside seems weirdly disparate?

Limbo seemed more cohesive to me.
 

Chumley

Banned
(spoilers for the whole game)

-Multiple sidequests involve mental rewriting technology (the cult in the sewers, the two serial killer sidemissions)
-An email reveals that one of the doctors involved in the latter is friends with the doctor who experimented on Jensen between games
-A bunch of sidequests involve character living double lives and betrayal (the undercover TF29 guy Vincent Black, Louis Gallois the merchant, the real serial killer, the two Illuminati moles in TF29 [one of which is only hinted at if you very carefully read emails and think about how certain interactions can affect alert states]) or fake identities (the whole thing about how "k." is whoever is running Samizdat, how you discover that the original Eliza is loose and the one on TV is an older version the Illuminati used to replace her, which is why she talks more robotically and her propaganda is more on the nose than the first game)
-If you find the original Eliza Cassan, she'll note that something about Adam doesn't match her memories of him but she isn't sure what
-Adam's fuzzy memories between games
-Delara, under the guise of a psych eval, asks Adam about his past, which can lead to options where she tells you the "official" story of the events of the first game and Adam can angrily correct her by telling her what really happened. Delara notes at the very end that Adam's memories are "consistent" as if that was the secret purpose of the eval all along and hints that they're using Adam to find the hacker Janus
-The splash screen is two Adam Jensens looking at each other, one of which has the glasses and one of which doesn't
-If you take the "go to the bank" option when pressed to choose between that and the Church of the MachineGod, in the VersaLife vault there is a box in the corner with a piece of wood covered a glass opening. If you use Smart Vision, you can see a head and torso inside. If you move the wood and stare closely, you'll see Adam's face, with his glasses removed, on the other side, seemingly frozen (link)

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Man if it's that rote I can understand jeff's distaste.

Its best to play it make your own mind up. Wait until its dirt cheap on Steam but its certainly worth playing. Its enjoyable just on the surface level of yo go right and solve some puzzles, see some cool shit and it won't take you all day either.
 

nynt9

Member
Its best to play it make your own mind up. Wait until its dirt cheap on Steam but its certainly worth playing. Its enjoyable just on the surface level of yo go right and solve some puzzles, see some cool shit and it won't take you all day either.

Yeah I mostly agree with Jeff but I still would recommend playing it because of the spectacle factor.

It's a bad platformer, bad puzzle game, bad adventure game, but has absolutely fantastic atmosphere and visuals design that mostly makes up for its failings.
 

Antiwhippy

the holder of the trombone
Yeah agree with Jeff, the one person who doesn't like thing.

I mean I've seen various aspects of it, just never really bothered to see it as a whole because it doesn't interest me.

I need more than just "some disparate cool shit stringed together" when I look at something that tries to make an artistic statement.
 
I don't think he got that far during the deliberations. The second half of TLG ramps everything up from the moments to the score, it kept delivering in spades.

I need to get back to The Last Guardian - the camera and boy movement was driving me crazy. That said Trico is probably my favourite thing in games in 2016. He/She/It is magnificent. Truly I've never seen something like Trico before. So believable. Edit - for a Fantasy Creature that is even more impressive that you buy it.
 

Antiwhippy

the holder of the trombone
i wish alex brought up the moment in the last guardian where
trico tries to wake the boy up

That is up there. I also love these moments.

Trico flying to the white tower.
When you reach the top of white tower.
Escaping white tower.
Calling trico to fly away at the end.

That last moment was especially powerful because it makes a gameplay element you've used throughout the game so natural and impactful. I didn't even need the prompt to know what I must do..
 

hamchan

Member
I wish Austin was still here to express his disagreements with the deeper themes of the Witness because frankly, I still have no idea what those themes are and what the game is trying to say. Even Braid was a bit more obvious with what it was saying.

No offense to the rest of the guys, but without Austin it seems the most they can say about the game is that the puzzles are good and it looks pretty.
 

Justinh

Member
I felt like they gave lies and misinformation to Vinny about Burnout Paradise, Geometry Wars and Mass Effect 2's PC ports, poor Vinny.

All I know is that if I ever wanted to play the Mass Effect trilogy again, it would definitely be the 360 version because I already have all the DLC on there, and Origin makes you buy like... Bioware points or something like that? Still with this points shit?

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I never (or hardly ever) post gifs more than 5MBs...
 
I wish Austin was still here to express his disagreements with the deeper themes of the Witness because frankly, I still have no idea what those themes are and what the game is trying to say. Even Braid was a bit more obvious with what it was saying.

No offense to the rest of the guys, but without Austin it seems the most they can say about the game is that the puzzles are good and it looks pretty.

I never even engaged with the "story" in The Witness and it was still the best game I played this year.

It's not even worth bringing up.
 
The moment they fought over for Inside isn't even my favorite sequence in Inside.

The shockwave area is. For a long time you are wondering what that noise and shaking is, and you walk outside to see shockwaves going off. The sound/music combo there is amazing, and the first time you die there you wont forget it.

I liked both but agreed that was a good moment.
 

TheYanger

Member
Man if it's that rote I can understand jeff's distaste.

A) It's not. B) if you want to distill anything down to its most basic fucking notion nothing makes that list. That's like saying
"Nothing is what it seems" for the witness
or
"Cool deus ex machina" for Titanfall 2
 

TheYanger

Member
I played and enjoyed Dishonored 2, but I can see how some folks might overlook it or find it forgettable.

Deus Ex on the other hand... Even as a fan of the series I passed it up for $15 the other day. Just looks way too similar to the other Mankind Whatevered and uninspired. No thanks. So much stellar stuff to play this year.

Meanwhile, those of us that did play it can tell oyu it was amazing and everyone bitching about the story weren't paying attention, as outlined above.
 
Man if it's that rote I can understand jeff's distaste.

It's obviously much more then that but from my discussions with friends it's more or less you
being controlled by the blob so that it could escape with the boy also being some sort of experiment because you could gain powers(when the long haired creature hooks you up to the machine underwater, you're then able to control other beings without wearing the helmet thing as well as breath underwater).

I recommend reading this article as well, as I enjoyed going through it back then when I was wanting to discuss and read more theories about the game.

I need to get back to The Last Guardian - the camera and boy movement was driving me crazy. That said Trico is probably my favourite thing in games in 2016. He/She/It is magnificent. Truly I've never seen something like Trico before. So believable. Edit - for a Fantasy Creature that is even more impressive that you buy it.

I want more people to play it so I could talk about a moment in that game that's..phew. I swear I thought my PS4 was going to melt. It's insane that you are in control during that entire moment as well.
 
The hinted twist in deus ex just makes me mad.

If that's where the dev is going then they should have at least revealed it in post credits or something. That way you can look back at the hints and go Oh Man.

The way they did it has no pay off and just makes a already poorly written game a bit more frustrating. It's a bad move to dangle something like that.
 
I need to get back to The Last Guardian - the camera and boy movement was driving me crazy. That said Trico is probably my favourite thing in games in 2016. He/She/It is magnificent. Truly I've never seen something like Trico before. So believable. Edit - for a Fantasy Creature that is even more impressive that you buy it.

Performance is what's keeping me from finishing it sooner. There's one section I died five times at because the camera over on its own and it's choppy and laggy and the boy jumps into an endless pit. When I get a PS4 Pro or PS5 is BC, first thing I'm doing is replaying TLG. Haven't felt hardware getting in the way of adoring a game since Dragon's Dogma.
 

TheYanger

Member
The hinted twist in deus ex just makes me mad.

If that's where the dev is going then they should have at least revealed it in post credits or something. That way you can look back at the hints and go Oh Man.

The way they did it has no pay off and just makes a already poorly written game a bit more frustrating. It's a bad move to dangle something like that.

Post credits = next game?
 
Performance is what's keeping me from finishing it sooner. There's one section I died five times at because the camera over on its own and it's choppy and laggy and the boy jumps into an endless pit. When I get a PS4 Pro or PS5 is BC, first thing I'm doing is replaying TLG. Haven't felt hardware getting in the way of adoring a game since Dragon's Dogma.

I feel you but I remember having some similar issues with Shadow of the Colossus back in the day and its certainly one of the best games I've played so I suspect in time The Last Guardian will be the same. Just one more patch lol
 

renzolama

Member
Doom 2016 is my favorite game of the last several years, but as long as it's in the top 5 along with Titanfall 2 and Hitman then I'll consider it a banner year for my alignment with GB.

Edit: Frankly I can't believe how possible that eventuality seems at this point when considering how completely disconnected my picks were from GB last year.
 
Post credits = next game?

Well I hope they get the chance to make one.....


It's just annoying there is maybe a really cool twist in a otherwise middling story. I think that story needed something bigger on that sort of level to grab people. Instead everything is pretty low stakes


The conspiracy read between the lines stuff could have worked if the main story wasn't completely forgetable.

But I do appreciate the fuckery, I always liked that new deus ex had a little of the kojima high concept weirdness in it.
 

Curufinwe

Member
The hinted twist in deus ex just makes me mad.

If that's where the dev is going then they should have at least revealed it in post credits or something. That way you can look back at the hints and go Oh Man.

The way they did it has no pay off and just makes a already poorly written game a bit more frustrating. It's a bad move to dangle something like that.

You're always mad about something.
 

Zomba13

Member
Well I hope they get the chance to make one.....


It's just annoying there is maybe a really cool twist in a otherwise middling story. I think that story needed something bigger on that sort of level to grab people. Instead everything is pretty low stakes


The conspiracy read between the lines stuff could have worked if the main story wasn't completely forgetable and gone nowhere.

I really think it'd have worked better if "part 2" or whatever was included. So like, the first half is a fairly standard mystery/investigation and stoppage of a threat but then the second half pays off on all the subtle hints and themes of duality and such while diving into the larger conspiracy. As it is now we have to wait to get our chance to dig into the Illuminate stuff and the potential payoff of the twist.
 

renzolama

Member
oh god.

i'm sorry and he's most certainly a great guy but i can't stand alex.

You don't have to say he's a great guy if you can't stand him. We don't have to be objective about people here, only about games. I think I'm the only person on the internet who can't stand Austin Walker, but you don't see me going around claiming that he's still a great guy. I'm liberated, see?
 

Roussow

Member
Jeff's going to explode during best game, he's let it go where Brad has not thus far, he's building up to destroy everyone else in the room. "Fuck Inside".
 

Protome

Member
Alex is without a doubt number 1 is wasting everyone's time during these deliberations.

Yeah but he brought up Stellaris on behalf of Austin. Despite the fact Austin didn't even like it that much and Alex had nowhere near enough knowledge about it to actually do it credit beyond "Austin liked it."

But I love Stellaris, so he's alright by me.
 

robotrock

Banned
You don't have to say he's a great guy if you can't stand him. We don't have to be objective about people here, only about games. I think I'm the only person on the internet who can't stand Austin Walker, but you don't see me going around claiming that he's still a great guy. I'm liberated, see?

Wait, why do we have to be objective about games?
 

Mr. F

Banned
Alex is without a doubt number 1 is wasting everyone's time during these deliberations.

With the number of games they've collectively played this year and nobody else fighting for anything, if it wasn't for Alex it would be dead air between Brad and Jeff's Doomcast
 
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