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Giant Bomb GoTY 2016- Agent 47, take out that Doom Marine

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Kimaka

Member
Jennipeg said:
I think
people were suspicious, I certainly was. I expected him to betray Nate. What actually happened is much worse and hurts the narrative for me. I do not understand how Sam could stand by and watch Nate wreck his life for no good reason. That confrontation with Elena should have made him understand what his lie was doing but nope. And Nate forgives him? Bizarre.
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On Uncharted
Everyone forgiving Sam was bullshit. Nate put his life on the line and his marriage for him and they laugh it off.

I liked Uncharted 4 for the most part, but the way they developed character relationships was sloppy. Almost every scene where Nathan comes into serious conflict with Sam or Elena and they are about to air their grievances, it gets interrupted with, "Oh, look! A clue!" or flying bullets.
 
S

strafer

member
A Pretty Panda said:
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So...
 
Z

Zemm

Member
Uncharted could have won best voice acting or best performance, but best story? Cmon son. That's like giving Civil War best story at the Oscars.
 
C

Curufinwe

Member
Being accurate when shooting and completing Uncharted 4 is not difficult on normal. Hell, my wife who never plays any third person shooters beat it on Hard. I'm not sure why Giant Bomb guys struggle so much when the vast majority of game reviewers do not.
 
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Jennipeg

Member
Kimaka said:
On Uncharted
Everyone forgiving Sam was bullshit. Nate put his life on the line and his marriage for him and they laugh it off.

I liked Uncharted 4 for the most part, but the way they developed character relationships was sloppy. Almost every scene where Nathan comes into serious conflict with Sam or Elena and they are about to air their grievances, it gets interrupted with, "Oh, look! A clue!" or flying bullets.
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It certainly was, it was the one plot element that fell flat on it's face. It makes no sense, and there is no justifying
Sam's
behaviour.
If I was Elena or Sully I would hate his guts. Nate is soft and would eventually cave but not that quickly!
It was pretty great story wise up to that point.

I was ok with the Elena stuff, I felt like they did allow them time to air some of their issues and come back together in a believable way. I half wondered if Elena would leave him, in real life she probably would have. And it was good how they showed that their problems weren't resolved by the time they left the island. They had some serious discussions planned, I guess that's how the writers got round it.
 
Nameless

Nameless

Member
TurboButts said:
Doom won best surprise, but yeah Titanfall... I don't even think that got top 3 in anything. Odd. Not even best moment?
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That was the biggest travesty in all of this by far. Jeff and Brad were the only ones super duper high on it and Brad hitched his shooter wagon to Doom, which meant he rarely dug in like he should for Titanfall, and it kept being under argued.

But whatever, all in good fun, even great sites can being utterly fucking wrong as GB often are in these things.
 
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TheYanger

Member
Man what a civil top 10 deliberation that ended up being.

I like how nobody wanted to even bother with the strong filibusters about beloved dark horse choices just because the other options weren't anything crazy anyway and they all were worn out by previous ones.

Mister Negative said:
Man, I gotta give credit to Dan during this GOTY discussion:

Him bringing up dropping UC4 might be the best argument of the podcast so far. It 100% makes more sense to have three games that individual members of the crew are passionate about than having one game that everyone feels good about.
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To be fair, it was BARELY on there in the first place.
 
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jett

D-Member
wild wild rice said:
Man they fucked up with best story.
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What games could be considered best story? Are there any? Honestly I don't care about the story of any game I played this year. Doom's was funny/entertaining in an ironic sort of way, but in the moments it tries to have a real story it's as crap as the average game.

There's nothing this year on the level of something like SOMA. UC4 is kind of winning by default here I guess.
 
H

Hasney

Member
Such a strong year and somehow
Inside
made it on there and other award top 3's. Yeah, it's all subjective, but I've never had such a bigger disconnect so I'm with Jeff.
 
M

Myggen

Member
What a great year of GOTY content. Getting Dan and Brad singing in content again was a treat for the last day for entirely different reasons.

Really good discussions and great to see Alex finally getting some of his picks on lists after years of folding like a deck of cards!
 
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Sleeping Lesson

Member
Diprosalic said:
Best story should be always "least bad story" anyway.
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I legit love SOMA from last year. It's probably the "correctest" choice in any category that Giant Bomb has ever made.

Myggen said:
What a great year of GOTY content. Getting Dan and Brad singing in content again was a treat for the last day for entirely different reasons.

Really good discussions and great to see Alex finally getting some of his picks on lists after years of folding like a deck of cards!
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It really is a fantastic year for GBGOTY. I still have so much content from this week to get through, and now Brad's giving us a 24 hour stream!
 
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Dr Duncan Steel

Member
Hey I may not agree with that list (AGAIN) but looking at that catalog, I think we can agree that it's never been a better time to play video games.

Just by sheer amount of what's out there for people. You got your artsy fartsy's with Abzu and Firewatch, you got your fun light multiplayer extravaganza's with Overwatch, and you got the ultra-violent macabre of greatness
AND GAME OF THE YEAR
in Doom. Like anyone who says this gen has been "bland" or a "let down" just pays too much attention to the metrics of Metacritic.
 
B

Bowlie

Banned
00:00:32 - Podcast starts
00:00:56 - The categories are announced: Overwatch Character of the Year, Best Story, Worst Game, Best Game

00:02:07 - Overwatch Character of the Year.
  • 00:02:49 - Triple H
  • 00:03:45 - Round table voting
  • 00:09:20 - Top 2 from each member is chosen
  • 00:10:05 - Another voting
  • 00:11:54 - Top 7 characters are chosen
  • 00:12:22 - Soldier 76
  • 00:13:10 - Zarya
  • 00:13:55 - Lúcio
  • 00:14:48 - Zenyatta
  • 00:15:47 - Reinhardt
  • 00:16:35 - Pharah
  • 00:17:26 - Mei
  • 00:19:23 - Final discussion

00:29:07 - First break

00:28:22 - Best Story (assume spoilers for everything).
  • 00:30:04 - Event[0]
  • 00:33:02 - DOOM
  • 00:33:57 - Firewatch
  • 00:41:19 - Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare
  • 00:42:37 - Watch Dogs 2
  • 00:43:19 - Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE
  • 00:43:42 - Virginia
  • 00:44:38 - Titanfall 2
  • 00:45:57 - The Bunker
  • 00:47:43 - INSIDE
  • 00:48:14 - The Turing Test
  • 00:49:33 - King’s Quest
  • 00:50:20 - Batman: The Telltale Series
  • 00:52:18 - Oxenfree
  • 00:53:28 - Zero Time Dilemma
  • 00:59:12 - Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End
  • 01:06:38 - The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - Hearts of Stone
  • 01:09:08 - Mafia 3
  • 01:10:46 - SUPERHOT
  • 01:12:44 - Final discussion

01:38:24 - Second break

01:38:46 - Worst Game.
  • 01:39:38 - ReCore, Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS
  • 01:40:05 - Ace Banana
  • 01:40:36 - The Climb
  • 01:40:53 - Until Dawn: Rush of Blood
  • 01:41:20 - Metroid Prime: Federation Force
  • 01:41:53 - Homefront: The Revolution
  • 01:42:05 - Umbrella Corps
  • 01:42:23 - Dangerous Golf
  • 01:42:41 - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutants in Manhattan
  • 01:43:28 - Star Fox Zero
  • 01:44:10 - Lost Reavers
  • 01:45:45 - Mighty No. 9
  • 01:46:35 - Ghostbusters
  • 01:47:23 - Soviet Monsters: Ekranoplans
  • 01:49:31 - Inner Kung Fu Game
  • 01:52:15 - Driveclub VR
  • 01:52:25 - Alekhine’s Gun
  • 01:54:00 - Final discussion

01:57:03 - Best Game.
  • 01:58:55 - Each member chooses three games to fight for, building a preliminary list of 21 games
  • 02:05:57 - Now they choose games they feel should be at the top 10
  • 02:10:38 - Job Simulator
  • 02:11:13 - Event[0]
  • 02:11:35 - Salt and Sanctuary
  • 02:12:40 - Darkest Dungeon
  • 02:13:13 - ABZÛ
  • 02:14:33 - Overcooked!
  • 02:14:52 - Watch Dogs 2
  • 02:16:12 - Forza Horizon 3
  • 02:17:14 - Sid Meier’s Civilization VI
  • 02:17:52 - The top 10 is almost chosen
  • 02:18:10 - Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End
  • 02:21:33 - Firewatch
  • 02:22:41 - SuperHyperCube
  • 02:23:03 - Picross 3D: Round 2
  • 02:23:30 - Dark Souls 3
  • 02:25:16 - Obduction
  • 02:26:35 - Hyper Light Drifter
  • 02:30:25 - They choose the last 3 games for the top 10
  • 02:35:26 - INSIDE
  • 02:39:30 - Stardew Valley
  • 02:44:44 - Picross 3D: Round 2
  • 02:48:27 - Thumper
  • 02:57:28 - Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End
  • 03:00:20 - Top 10 games are chosen, time to order (DOOM, Hitman, and DOOM, and Hitman)

03:39:02 - The list is finished!
 
D

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
Chumley said:
Jeff's personal list is fucking baffling after how much he raved over Doom.
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That and the lack of OW even in honorable mentions despite praising it when it came out says he took it personal and spitefully put Doom lower and removed OW from his list.

That's my fanfic.
 
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LiK

Member
Best story is so subjective that you guys cannot be angry or upset about any of it.

Should've been Batman
 
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ShutterMunster

Junior Member
Someone has gotta tell Brad that well written lore and flavor text doesn't equal narrative.

And DOOM is my second favorite game of the year behind Uncharted 4.
 
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gogosox82

Member
Not sure I'm understanding what Jeff's argument was with "please stop". I mean, he seems to be saying we can't change it and we don't have any ideas to change it so it shouldn't win which is a strange argument. You can still be critical of something without knowing how to change it. Vinny's response to it was great. Its not on the consumer to figure that out but they also shouldn't be burdened with responsibility of having to deal with a game that you have to download a 10 gig day one patch when you consider most isp's have data caps.
 
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wild wild rice

Member
jett said:
What games could be considered best story? Are there any? Honestly I don't care about the story of any game I played this year. Doom's was funny/entertaining in an ironic sort of way, but in the moments it tries to have a real story it's as crap as the average game.

There's nothing this year on the level of something like SOMA. UC4 is kind of winning by default here I guess.
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Well,
Hearts of Stone
was in the running and it is generally considered to be one of the best RPG quests ever made. It has great characters, gravitas, humor, and interesting thread of events, i.g., all things Uncharted 4 does not have.

As for DOOM and Uncharted 4, since they are video games, I can't help but think about their stories in the context of them being video games. So looking at them that way, here is why I think DOOM technically has a better story than Uncharted 4, or why I subjectively enjoyed DOOM's more.

DOOM's story essentially fits perfectly with the tone and pace of the game. It is there to support what's happening when the player is in control. In that context, it's a great story because it does exactly what it needs to do to make DOOM an enjoyable video game.

Now for Uncharted, it's clear ND's main drive behind how that game is structured is to allow them to tell their story. They do this by leaving very little need for thought and with maybe 20% of the gametime what I would consider any sort of active gameplay. If you are going to sacrifice player agency in order to tell a story, it better be a damn good one. And yet, a second playthrough has proved almost impossible for me. The story is shallow and poorly paced.

I even preferred Inside's surrealistic nightmare storybook "narrative" to be far more engaging than Uncharted's.

tldr; Uncharted 4's story is boring, long, serious and fairly sloppy. Plus it keeps Uncharted 4 from actually being an enjoyable video game, which is what it is supposed to be.
 
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Human Trashcan

Banned
ShutterMunster said:
Someone has gotta tell Brad that well written lore and flavor text doesn't equal narrative.
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I don't think it should be off the table when talking about game stories or writing though. Games are inherently better at world-building and lore than telling a well-paced story, in most cases. Maybe they should change the category to "best writing".
 
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LurkerPrime

Member
Gosh,
Heart of Stone
really was amazing. The (legit spoilers for previous spoiler)
Gaunter O'Dimm haunts you the entire game
thing is Deus Ex: Mankind Divided levels of genius. But on top of that, the whole game is a tour-de-force of great moments and memories.
Catvoca said:
Has Alex's game of the year list not been posted yet?
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It must be suitably Alex.

Y'know.
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aka editing
 
C

Chumley

Banned
I feel the same way Alex does about
Firewatch, beat Doom and Uncharted 4,
and Witcher 3 HoS still leaves all 3 of them in the dust. They fucked up on best story.
 
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