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[TheMrPliskin]

Hey look. Another 'censorship' thread!

People aren't allowed to have opinions on game content. Developers aren't allowed to make updates when agreeing with said opinion.

This shit is never going to end, huh?

It's especially hilarious when you consider that they're leaving the pose in for another character.

But of course people don't care to actually look into the situation and prefer to whine.

I remember them playing and digging it during the closed beta. I guess it didn't stick with anyone enough to go to the new beta?

Might as well wait for the full game at this point.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

I remember them playing and digging it during the closed beta. I guess it didn't stick with anyone enough to go to the new beta?

They're monsters ;-; I blame super mario maker

It's especially hilarious when you consider that they're leaving the pose in for another character.

But of course people don't care to actually look into the situation and prefer to whine.

It's stupid. Hanzo, a samurai archer has the butt pose. Where the fuck are the complaints for him? He definitely isn't a character that would do that, like Tracer.

So on the flipside, there is a bit of sexism involved in the complain of tracers butt pose. It's a problem for her because it doesn't fit his character, but it fits a samurai archer who was almost killed by his robot brother and is seeking revenge? Nah fuck that. If they're going to remove the butt pose, remove it for everyone it doesn't fit. Or keep it in for everyone. I prefer the latter because I prefer options.

 

[yami4ct]

It's especially hilarious when you consider that they're leaving the pose in for another character.

But of course people don't care to actually look into the situation and prefer to whine.

The people complaining about content changes are always greater than the people pointing out they don't dig a particular piece of content. Some amazing hyperbolic posts in there. Tons of sweeping generalizations about 'coddled millennials' and 'PC Culture'.

Do these people ever peak outside their little video game bubble?

 

[nckillthegrimace]

It's especially hilarious when you consider that they're leaving the pose in for another character.

But of course people don't care to actually look into the situation and prefer to whine.

The other character is ugly so her butt is irrelevant. Also, aren't the poses user selected? So, like, don't pick the butt one if it bothers you? I don't know. I don't really care about Overwatch or Blizzard at all, so my opinion probably has little value.

Edit: Ugly is a strong word. They're different butts, certainly, and users may appreciate one more than the other.

 

[Piston Hyundai]

I mean, it's not like they took the woman's ass out

 

[TheMrPliskin]

It's stupid. Hanzo, a samurai archer has the butt pose. Where the fuck are the complaints for him? He definitely isn't a character that would do that, like Tracer.

So on the flipside, there is a bit of sexism involved in the complain of tracers butt pose. It's a problem for her because it doesn't fit his character, but it fits a samurai archer who was almost killed by his robot brother and is seeking revenge? Nah fuck that. If they're going to remove the butt pose, remove it for everyone it doesn't fit. Or keep it in for everyone. I prefer the latter because I prefer options.

That's making the assumption that the person is aware Hanzo has that pose.

The people complaining about content changes are always greater than the people pointing out they don't dig a particular piece of content. Some amazing hyperbolic posts in there. Tons of sweeping generalizations about 'coddled millennials' and 'PC Culture'.

Do these people ever peak outside their little video game bubble?

Based on how defensive they get, no.

 

[nckillthegrimace]

I mean, it's not like they took the woman's ass out

That's true. She's still wearing the same butt-highlighting outfit.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

That's making the assumption that the person is aware Hanzo has that pose.

That simply means he's cherry picking Tracer(And subsequently Widowmaker) because they're women, meaning that the person is in fact sexist.

 

[Infinite Justice]

I'm not sure why its being removed since it looks pretty harmless but hey

 

[Archaix]

I haven't seen him, but I'm going to go out on a limb and bet that Hanzo has pants that needed to be modeled as opposed to a different colored ass texture.

 

[yami4ct]

That simply means he's cherry picking Tracer(And subsequently Widowmaker) because they're women, meaning that the person is in fact sexist.

Or they just happened to want to play that character, were bothered by that pose but otherwise dug them and wanted to point it out.

If Hanzo's pose doesn't fit for you, go ahead and let Blizzard know! For a game that's always updating like Overwatch, Blizzard has a reason to listen to player feedback. If a dev agrees with you, it might get changed.

 

[TheMrPliskin]

That simply means he's cherry picking Tracer(And subsequently Widowmaker) because they're women, meaning that the person is in fact sexist.

No? Them not being aware would mean that they aren't aware, the person might not have had any idea that the anyone outside of Tracer and Widowmaker have that pose.

 

[Wunder]

I haven't seen him, but I'm going to go out on a limb and bet that Hanzo has pants that needed to be modeled as opposed to a different colored ass texture.

Yeah I'm not sure you can equally compare the two.

 

[TheMrPliskin]

Don't flaunt your beta screens in front of me

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Or they just happened to want to play that character, were bothered by that pose but otherwise dug them and wanted to point it out.

If Hanzo's pose doesn't fit for you, go ahead and let Blizzard know! For a game that's always updating like Overwatch, Blizzard has a reason to listen to player feedback. If a dev agrees with you, it might get changed.

No? Them not being aware would mean that they aren't aware, the person might not have had any idea that the anyone outside of Tracer and Widowmaker have that pose.

And I will!

#AllButtsareEqual
#HanzoisaMan
#Justice4Hanzo

 

[Jintor]

It's stupid. Hanzo, a samurai archer has the butt pose. Where the fuck are the complaints for him? He definitely isn't a character that would do that, like Tracer.

this pose?

compared to this?

i dunno dude tracers is visually way more butt-focused

 

[Glitchesarecool]

I hope the mods have a field day with that fucking Overwatch thread. Good lord.

 

[Tubobutts]

#AllButtsareEqual

I'm sorry to tell you that that's not true.

 

[Myggen]

Instead of discussing that dumb bullshit (there will be another faux outrage the next time a dev decides to change something in their game) we should look at this over and over again: https://twitter.com/Fobwashed/status/714530608781742080

 

[nckillthegrimace]

Her butt's on the cover of the game. That might be sending a mixed message.

 

[Lunar FC]

#AllButtsareEqual

Nooope!! Bruh. Some of these buns I see on campus..

 

[Jintor]

censorship is a cry so ubiquitous it effectively feels meaningless to me these days

 

[justjim89]

Instead of discussing that dumb bullshit (there will be another faux outrage the next time a dev decides to change something in their game) we should look at this over and over again: https://twitter.com/Fobwashed/status/714530608781742080

This is good content. I wish I could take gifs from Twitter, but they only save as videos.

 

[stump sock]

didn't take long for someone to put the red string on the map tying butt censorship to the rise of Trump

 

[yami4ct]

To me, all this censorship junk boils down to a few things. Either

A) The developers changed their mind and changed a piece of content they weren't completely happy with.
B) A localization team feels the need to change the game to conform to the cultural norms of their intended audience.
or C) A player doesn't like something and tells the dev. The dev, upon considering the criticism agrees and changes it.

Of these, only B can be concerning to me, and so far there has been zero cases recently where I felt like that localizers have gone too far. I can see instances where a localizer ruins an intended impact by making too harsh of changes, but that's kind of a useless criticism since it hasn't been happening in the places where people are pointing out and complaining.

A and B are no different to a developer making balance changes for me. It's a perfectly acceptable way for things to work in a modern digital age.

 

[nckillthegrimace]

censorship is a cry so ubiquitous it effectively feels meaningless to me these days

you'll be singing a different tune when big inclusion has its boot on your throat

 

[Myggen]

This is good content. I wish I could take gifs from Twitter, but they only save as videos.

Yeah, why does Twitter handle gifs like that? Probably so you have to link to the actual tweet, but it's annoying as shit for my GB gif collection.

 

[justjim89]

Yeah, why does Twitter handle gifs like that? Probably so you have to link to the actual tweet, but it's annoying as shit for my GB gif collection.

It's Twitter's loss. I was gonna use it in my weekly TFWMemeMondays.gif post on tumblr, but I had to go with old reliable.

Now it'll be the one to get those 23 notes.

 

[Myggen]

It's Twitter's loss. I was gonna use it in my weekly TFWMemeMondays.gif post on tumblr, but I had to go with old reliable.

Now it'll be the one to get those 23 notes.

No wonder Twitter is losing so much money.

 

[yami4ct]

Jeff saying 'most of these games feel like they could be single location experiences. You know, at a mall or something' might be the most (unintentionally?) damning thing said about the current crop of VR games. Just, ouch.

 

[Meneses]

It would be cool if someone makes a "Best of" the Rift stream for the few funny highlights.

I dropped in a couple times and my feelings were mostly split between "slightly dizzy / sick" and "bored".

 

[BreezyLimbo]

It's Twitter's loss. I was gonna use it in my weekly TFWMemeMondays.gif post on tumblr, but I had to go with old reliable.

Now it'll be the one to get those 23 notes.

Talking about notes

I dunno if Fob was the first to post it(Probably was), but he posted the Drew moving around the car to look at his body and it only has 400 retweets or so. Then some other guy posted the same video and it had like 2 k retweets.

FOBWASHED WAS ROBBED
https://twitter.com/Fobwashed/status/714500313823059968

Then this guy comes 18 minutes later
https://twitter.com/HereticSoul/status/714504922411188224

 

[Myggen]

Vive launch day stream probably happening if they get their hands on a Vive before launch.

Talking about notes

I dunno if Fob was the first to post it(Probably was), but he posted the Drew moving around the car to look at his body and it only has 400 retweets or so. Then some other guy posted the same video and it had like 2 k retweets.

FOBWASHED WAS ROBBED
https://twitter.com/Fobwashed/status/714500313823059968

Then this guy comes 18 minutes later
https://twitter.com/HereticSoul/status/714504922411188224

There's a third one with more retweets than that of the same video. Not sure who was first. TWITTER IS A DANGEROUS PLACE!

 

[Lunar FC]

Fobwashed must have been totally devastated. How dare somebody outshine our one true face!

Vive launch day stream probably happening if they get their hands on a Vive before launch.

Sounds like a mailbag!

 

[stump sock]

To me, all this censorship junk boils down to a few things.

subset of the population, generally acknowledged to be bad at socialization, react poorly to the notion that other people have different ways of viewing the world.

of course the real irony is that the people who complain about other people being sensitive are offended that other people are offended because there's a 0.00001% chance that anybody would have noticed or cared that a pose had been removed for one character if they weren't jealous that somebody else got their way.

 

[Jintor]

Yeah, why does Twitter handle gifs like that? Probably so you have to link to the actual tweet, but it's annoying as shit for my GB gif collection.

size?

 

[Myggen]

size?

Hmm yeah, good point. Fuck you and your logic, Jintor.

Sounds like a mailbag!

Where's Gabe when we need him.

 

[stump sock]

size?

yup. they're like 1/10th the size of actual gifs.

 

[yami4ct]

Any Occulus game that has to show the split eye/fish eye view out for video should be banned from streaming. That is instant motion sickness for me.

subset of the population, generally acknowledged to be bad at socialization, react poorly to the notion that other people have different ways of viewing the world.

of course the real irony is that the people who complain about other people being sensitive are offended that other people are offended because there's a 0.00001% chance that anybody would have noticed or cared that a pose had been removed for one character if they weren't jealous that somebody else got their way.

It's so weird when people think it's someone 'getting their way'. I guess it is, but far, far more often than not it's the result of a developer agreeing with the criticism.

 

[Jintor]

i wonder if the ultimate throughline of the censorship argument is that a creator is never allowed to change their mind about shit once they've released it

 

[Death Metalist]

Instead of discussing that dumb bullshit (there will be another faux outrage the next time a dev decides to change something in their game) we should look at this over and over again: https://twitter.com/Fobwashed/status/714530608781742080

I approve.

 

[nckillthegrimace]

Jeff saying 'most of these games feel like they could be single location experiences. You know, at a mall or something' might be the most (unintentionally?) damning thing said about the current crop of VR games. Just, ouch.

How long have developers had to make VR games? Has it been enough time that we should expect better stuff?

Maybe the medium just isn't great for classic experiences or maybe the tech needs to get better, but, yes, the actual games are not impressive. I understand that VR works, which is great, but that doesn't mean the games are good. It's like saying certain motion-controlled or iPhone games are good because they work. No, that's just step one.

 

[Antiwhippy]

As long as I can pilot a pink mecha I'm good.

 

[nckillthegrimace]

i wonder if the ultimate throughline of the censorship argument is that a creator is never allowed to change their mind about shit once they've released it

that would have saved the star wars special editions

 

[yami4ct]

Adr1ft streams in that awful fisheye view as well? Dammit. This is a large portion of this stream that's just absolutely unwatchable to me.

How long have developers had to make VR games? Has it been enough time that we should expect better stuff?

Maybe the medium just isn't great for classic experiences or maybe the tech needs to get better, but, yes, the actual games are not impressive. I understand that VR works, which is great, but that doesn't mean the games are good. It's like saying certain motion-controlled or iPhone games are good because they work. No, that's just step one.

DK1 was around 2013 IIRC. Lots have changed in terms of display tech, but I feel like people should have a better idea of how to properly use the device in terms of control with a normal controller and what might actually be fun.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Adr1ft streams in that awful fisheye view as well? Dammit. This is a large portion of this stream that's just absolutely unwatchable to me.



DK1 was around 2013 IIRC. Lots have changed in terms of display tech, but I feel like people should have a better idea of how to properly use the device in terms of control with a normal controller and what might actually be fun.

3 years is not a long time in software development. We're talking about small teams here, not full on 100 team AAA developers.

 

[stump sock]

It's so weird when people think it's someone 'getting their way'. I guess it is, but far, far more often than not it's the result of a developer agreeing with the criticism.

of course that's how they think. "It's not fair Billy got extra carrots, even though I don't like carrots. Billy's selfish."

it's just that most of this stuff used to happen out of the public eye with focus groups, etc. so now you get more and (maybe) better feedback for free, but it comes at the cost of being visible.

I halfway wonder who all these people are who have never had to compromise, consider external feedback, or even understand how collaboration works. and how are there so many of them?

 

[yami4ct]

3 years is not a long time in software development. We're talking about small teams here, not full on 100 team AAA developers.

I don't expect full long 60 hour experience, but I did expect a better handle on what might be fun for a decently long time. There's nothing here so far that seems more than a tech demo.

 

[Jintor]

I halfway wonder who all these people are who have never had to compromise, consider external feedback, or even understand how collaboration works. and how are there so many of them?

you could probably divide about half into kids, then a substantial portion of that above into people who haven't held full-time jobs or worked on long-term projects.

 

[pizzacat]

I remember them playing and digging it during the closed beta. I guess it didn't stick with anyone enough to go to the new beta?

They've talked about how betas usually burn them out before release so I guess that's why