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[Gaiff]

So, a number of issues in this port, which otherwise is quite good.

• PS5 Quality Mode and PC's Ultra are a visual match with DLAA obviously providing better image quality
• Did not go into the details of Performance Mode but the shadows there are between Low and Medium
• Almost no shader compilation issues. Spotted two places where there were brief frame time spikes, otherwise, it's the smoothest PS5 port yet
• PC has some missing effects such as the fog in the dream sequence with Faye
• Cube maps tracing on PS5's Quality Mode missing on PC entirely (devs mentioned they wish to add this later)
• Effects works missing on PC in the Realm between Realms (such as the garbled haze)
• Textures on High/Ultra look the same but Ultra reserves a larger cache. Even Medium textures look alright
• Portal transitions on PC take a bit to load details, resulting in pop-ins that don't even happen on the PS4 version. Likely a bug
• Tessellation in the Realm between Realms still tanks performance but not as badly as before. The ground deformation fades in and out of existence now, unlike with consoles where it is stable. It only happens there. Otherwise, the performance impact in the rest of the game is negligible
• Zen 2 CPUs (or at least the 3600) run terribly in this game. The 5600X, which is usually around 30-40% faster than the 3600, performs up to 99% better in Ragnarok. The 7800X3D, which is generally 100% faster, performs up to 247% faster in Ragnarok. Performance metrics reveal that the 3600 is poorly utilized as many of its threads have low usage. Could be a bug
• Ultrawide's frame times are not smooth compared to 16:9
• Upscaling solutions have problems with water reflections, they're all very flickery except for XeSS that resolves them with no issues
• An audio bug sometimes causes the audio on PC to be muffled
• Game needs more polish in some ways as highlighted above. The PS5's Quality Mode is superior in terms of graphics settings

 

[Bitstream]

Now lets see the PS5 Pro comparison

 

[Hrk69]

Now lets see the PS5 Pro comparison

 

[RagnarokIV]

Should have given this to Mr Potato Head or Wichard instead of alex the shit one.

 

[Mr Moose]

One of the cleanest games I've played on PS5.

 

[RagnarokIV]

One of the cleanest games I've played on PS5.

No chance of any grit or dirt now that Kratos is a soy boy virgin

 

[ChiefDada]

@7:00 He compares PS4 using lowest settings vs PC using max settings to make the case that the PS5 SSD i/o isn't contributing to the faster asset loading.

Anyone else see the problem with that logic?

Also hilarious that he deviated from his traditional practice of showing PC optimized vs PS5 Performance mode settings and head to head framerate comparison.

 

[MisterXDTV]

@7:00 He compares PS4 using lowest settings vs PC using max settings to make the case that the PS5 SSD i/o isn't contributing to the faster asset loading.

Anyone else see the problem with that logic?

Also hilarious that he deviated from his traditional practice of showing PC optimized vs PS5 Performance mode settings and head to head framerate comparison.

Did you expect anything less (or should I say more?)

 

[Gaiff]

@7:00 He compares PS4 using lowest settings vs PC using max settings to make the case that the PS5 SSD i/o isn't contributing to the faster asset loading.

Anyone else see the problem with that logic?

Well, it's a tablet CPU with an HDD vs a 7800X3D and a fast SSD. Lowest settings or not, it has absolutely no business loading things faster than the PC version.

 

[Xyphie]

Zen 2 perf could be some sort of cross-CCX latency issue perhaps? Would've been interesting to see if it runs better just pegged to 4C. Or if a dual CCD Zen3-5 with cores disabled per chip has the same issue.

Starting this this weekend, sites said its GPU heavy but perf vs the PS5 seems pretty good to me? This section right at the beginning of the game looks to run at about ~80-ish FPS. Tried 3440x1440 TAAU High and runs at about ~140 FPS on my 3080, solid ~70% extra perf with wider FOV and horizontal pixel res.

 

[Physiognomonics]

@7:00 He compares PS4 using lowest settings vs PC using max settings to make the case that the PS5 SSD i/o isn't contributing to the faster asset loading.

Anyone else see the problem with that logic?

Also hilarious that he deviated from his traditional practice of showing PC optimized vs PS5 Performance mode settings and head to head framerate comparison.

Oh yes. They have started the defcon 2 full bias mode against PS5. They keep defcon 1 bias mode for PS5 Pro.

NXGamer will give us an objective comparison (at least less biased) as usual.

 

[Gaiff]

Zen 2 perf could be some sort of cross-CCX latency issue perhaps? Would've been interesting to see if it runs better just pegged to 4C. Or a dual CCD Zen3-5 with cores disabled per chip.

Starting this this weekend, sites said its GPU heavy but perf vs the PS5 seems pretty good to me? This section right at the beginning of the game looks to run at about ~80-ish FPS. Tried 3440x1440 TAAU High and runs at about ~140 FPS on my 3080, solid ~70% with wider FOV.

I think it could be cards with lower bandwidth that get immensely impacted. While the 4060 is often a close match to the PS5, the PS5's GPU has bandwidth more in line with the 3060 Ti (even considering it shares it with the CPU, it wouldn't drop to 4060 levels). The 4090 seems like it scales as it should or thereabout, but hard to exactly compare without matched scenes.

Oh yes. They have started the defcon 2 full bias mode against PS5. They keep defcon 1 bias mode for PS5 Pro.

NXGamer will give us an objective comparison (at least less biased) as usual.

You guys are a riot. You call DF biased and then turn around and bring up NXGamer. Come on lol.

 

[analog_future]

Sounds like a so-so port. Hopefully they patch out the issues.

 

[simpatico]

Any gaffers want to give impressions on this game? Not the perf so much, but the actual game itself. Me, I like 2016 well enough, but am not over the moon about the new direction like some people. I liked it well enough to buy a sequel, I've just heard some mixed reviews, especially from people who felt the same as me about 2016.

 

[angrod14]

Bugaga again. Hope he doesn't run when the Pro lands. Where's that Cillian Murphy dude? He was cool.

 

[Gaiff]

Any gaffers want to give impressions on this game?

 

[shamoomoo]

Now lets see the PS5 Pro comparison

The PS5 base has a high frame rate mode that looks better than the quality in terms of IQ, I'm suspicious why Alex didn't use that to prove there was a tangible difference in IQ.

 

[Gaiff]

The PS5 base has a high frame rate mode that looks better than the quality in terms of IQ, I'm suspicious why Alex didn't use that to prove there was a tangible difference in IQ.

What? The High Frame Rate Mode runs at 1440fps with much lower settings. Where did you get that it's better than the Quality Mode that is 4K with Ultra settings?

 

[XXL]

Any gaffers want to give impressions on this game? Not the perf so much, but the actual game itself. Me, I like 2016 well enough, but am not over the moon about the new direction like some people. I liked it well enough to buy a sequel, I've just heard some mixed reviews, especially from people who felt the same as me about 2016.

It's great. If you liked the first one you'll most likely like this one. The story and "newness" the better stuff in the first game.

I never really understood the hyperbole surrounding the discussions around this sequel.

Everyone I know IRL loved it.

It's kind of like the Horizon series in that regard. There is a massive disconnect between what people think on forums and what people think IRL.

 

[ChiefDada]

Well, it's a tablet CPU with an HDD vs a 7800X3D and a fast SSD. Lowest settings or not, it has absolutely no business loading things faster than the PC version.

The asset size absolutely makes a difference. At the lowest LOD and texture settings, it's possible the PS4 doesn't need to stream in much of anything. And of course unified memory would help. But we had confirmation from Santa Monica developer long before Ragnarok launched on PS5 that they were heavily leaning on SSD to stream in assets.

He should have simply used the lowest settings on PC if he wanted to make his point.

 

[shamoomoo]

@7:00 He compares PS4 using lowest settings vs PC using max settings to make the case that the PS5 SSD i/o isn't contributing to the faster asset loading.

Anyone else see the problem with that logic?

Also hilarious that he deviated from his traditional practice of showing PC optimized vs PS5 Performance mode settings and head to head framerate comparison.

I'm not sure about that. Alex is comparing into the PS4 Pro. My only gripe is the PS consoles has unified RAM, going by Mark Cerny's reason for an SSD,may be the geometry is kept in ram for the older PS and possibly uses the SSD on the fly for the PS5.

 

[adamsapple]

Surprised they didn't do the "PC equivalent PS5 settings" bit (or I missed it in my skimming)

 

[ChiefDada]

Surprised they didn't do the "PC equivalent PS5 settings" bit (or I missed it in my skimming)

You/we really shouldn't be surprised.

 

[ChiefDada]

What? The High Frame Rate Mode runs at 1440fps with much lower settings. Where did you get that it's better than the Quality Mode that is 4K with Ultra settings?

He is talking about the ML texture upsampling used on PS5. DF made the same observation of it looking better than native mode during the original PS5 tech review.

 

[Gaiff]

He should have simply used the lowest settings on PC if he wanted to make his point.

I could try this myself later and report on the results. 4090s running at low settings don't exist on youtube, so it can't help us there.

He is talking about the ML texture upsampling used on PS5. DF made the same observation of it looking better than native mode during the original PS5 tech review.

But doesn't the ML texture upsampling also happen in the Quality Mode? That's odd.

 

[LectureMaster]

the PS5's Quality Mode is superior

You mean the Pro will be superior when it drops.

 

[mansoor1980]

why did they get rid of the extended ultra shadows present in the previous port ?

 

[shamoomoo]

What? The High Frame Rate Mode runs at 1440fps with much lower settings. Where did you get that it's better than the Quality Mode that is 4K with Ultra settings?

I might be confusing modes,but it is between ultra performance and the quay mode.

 

[XXL]

You mean the Pro will be superior when it drops.

 

[ChiefDada]

I could try this myself later and report on the results. 4090s running at low settings don't exist on youtube, so it can't help us there.

Would be much appreciated, I'd be interested to see if this alleviates the loading issue on PC.

But doesn't the ML texture upsampling also happen in the Quality Mode? That's odd.

I think performance mode specifically for some reason but not 100% certain.

 

[Gaiff]

I might be confusing modes,but it is between ultra performance and the quay mode.

There are 4 modes on PS5.

Performance Mode: 60fps cap, resolution varies between 1440p-2160p with an average of 1872p. Settings unknown besides that shadows are between Low and Medium.

Quality Mode: 30fps cap. Resolution locked to 4K. Settings comparable to PC's Ultra.

If you have a 120Hz screen. You get two additional modes. A 40Hz mode, and a high frame rate mode.

High Frame Rate Mode: Unlocked fps that varies between 70-90fps. Resolution stays at 1440p. Same settings as Performance Mode.

40Hz Quality Mode: 40fps cap. Resolution varies between 1800p to 4K. Similar settings to Quality Mode.

 

[Crispy Gamer]

IGN's video is actually better

 

[rodrigolfp]

Game needs more polish as in some ways highlighted above, the PS5's Quality Mode is superior

Superior than 100+fps ultrawide how??

 

[LordOcidax]

PS5 Pro is going to have the better looking version of the game . Smart thinking Sony

 

[LordOcidax]

Superior than 100+fps ultrawide how??

Missing effects and other things in the PC version…

 

[SolidQ]

Tessellation in the Realm between Realms still tanks performance but not as badly as before. The ground deformation fades in and out of existence now, unlike with consoles where it is stable. It only happens there. Otherwise, the performance impact in the rest of the game is negligible

only for NV tanking, on AMD cards is fine

 

[Gaiff]

Superior than 100+fps ultrawide how??

Ultrawide has frame pacing issues. Better frame rate goes without saying.

 

[Gaiff]

only for NV tanking, on AMD cards is fine

 

[Pagusas]

Sounds like a horrible port, anytime there are missing effects and features you failed your mission.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Missing effects and other things in the PC version…

Missing DLAA, DLSS, 4k+, ultra wide, 100+fps on PS5. Plus the input lag on PC is for sure much lower. Plus mkb or whatever controller, etc etc etc...

Ultrawide has frame pacing issues. Better frame rate goes without saying.

For them.

Good edit.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

PS5 Pro is going to have the better looking version of the game . Smart thinking Sony

Ofcourse, Playstation consoles are the core of their business.

Their goal is to get people onto consoles.

 

[Vick]

Missing effects and other things in the PC version…

Which wouldn't be enough to make a 30-40fps mode the "better" version.

Although if none of this gets patched on PC and Pro version in 60fps mode happens to retain all of those superior settings over Performance Mode, which I wouldn't take for granted, and all the additional effects over PC version.. well that's another matter.

 

[LordOcidax]

Sounds like a horrible port, anytime there are missing effects and features you failed your mission.

This can solve all your problems

 

[rodrigolfp]

Sounds like a horrible port, anytime there are missing effects and features you failed your mission.

Not horrible as the performance is very solid, but not good too.

 

[Pagusas]

This can solve all your problems

Already pre-ordered it. Still I'm a PC gamer first.

 

[Mr Moose]

Missing DLAA, 4k+, ultra wide, 60+fps on PS5. Plus the input lag on PC is for sure much lower. Plus mkb or whatever controller, etc etc etc...

Are you saying PS5 is missing this?

 

[LordOcidax]

Which wouldn't be enough to make a 30-40fps mode the "better" version.

Although if none of this gets patched on PC and Pro version in 60fps mode happens to retain all of those superior settings over Performance Mode, which I wouldn't take for granted, and all the additional effects over PC version.. well that's another matter.

Bingo

 

[SolidQ]

PC has some missing effects such as the fog in the dream sequence with Faye

not PC, it's again NV DLSS

 

[rodrigolfp]

Are you saying PS5 is missing this?

Is it uncapped?

This introduces several other problems.

 

[Mr Moose]

It's uncapped?

Yeah there's a HFR mode, normally between 80-90.