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Godzilla |OT| Legendary

Just came from watching it on IMAX 3D. It was alright.

Movie severely lacked Godzilla, though the scenes he were in were absolutely awesome. Loved the surprises he pulled out and the climax fight got everyone to go OHHHHH SHIITTTTT.

But yeah. Everytime we think were about to see Godzilla do some crazy shit, the scene cuts away. What pissed me off the most about the teasing is when they finally revealed Godzilla and he did his epic roar, the shit cut away.
They didnt even show the fight outside of some footage on some TV.
Incredibly frustrating.
Also surprised how Bryan Cranston bit the bullet so early in the movie. WTF.

I dunno if they were tight on budget but it was very disappointing. The score was also very generic epic movie soundtrack but Godzillas roar was fucking incredible. The audio on that as well as the cinematography were really good.

I also found Godzilla sorta..cute? He was chubby and shit. My bros and I were laughing that Godzilla just wakes up,
gets a military escort, beats the shit out of some MUTOs, takes a nap, roars and goes back to the ocean. Like "Youre welcome, motherfuckers.".

Overall, I thought it was alright but felt like wasted potential.
 
Woah, thanks... i don't even know how to reply to this (someone else wrote me that too privately) but i honestly do not think i deserve so much praise.
But again, THANKS (also for the constructive criticism, definitely!).
Dude, you deserve all the praise! I just HAD to buy the shirt, even though I look like crap in white. That's how amazing your design is. Keep it up!
 

1cmanny1

Member
Absolutely hated the teasing in this movie, way too frustrating and ruined it for me. The build up was way too slow, and the second the
army/navy got involved the movie fell apart.

Would love a time counter of how long
Godzilla is actually on-screen and his longest consecutive time on-screen time outside of act 3.

6/10

This. However I would rate this movie 0/10. This is the only movie I have ever been to that made me close to leaving, It should be called, "US Army, rubble (which is caused by action you don't get to see) and characters you don't care about" instead of Godzilla
 
Absolutely hated the teasing in this movie, way too frustrating and ruined it for me. The build up was way too slow, and the second the
army/navy got involved the movie fell apart.

Would love a time counter of how long
Godzilla is actually on-screen and his longest consecutive time on-screen time outside of act 3.

6/10

Military V Muto
Dawn of Godzilla
 
You guys know what movie really sucks? The Third Man.

The whole movie I keep hearing about this dude who only shows up for a few minutes towards the end. Such bullshit. I was expecting to see Orson Welles chewing up scenery through the whole thing.

Same thing with Apocalypse Now. Kurtz this, Kurtz that, and then so little screen time for Marlon Fucking Brando. Why couldn't they show Kurtz doing all those fucked up things they talk about? Such a tease.
 
I just saw it. Question:
Towards the end, the building falls on Godzilla and sort of ends him. But then he comes out on the water to finish the other monster. But then at the end, he's back being collapsed by the building. Did I miss something?
 

Aaron

Member
You guys know what movie really sucks? The Third Man.

The whole movie I keep hearing about this dude who only shows up for a few minutes towards the end. Such bullshit. Same thing with Apocalypse Now. Kurtz this, Kurtz that, and then so little screen time. Why couldn't they show Kurtz doing all those fucked up things they talk about? Such a tease.
In both of these movies, the characters are mysterious and unknown, and neither turn out to be quite what they were expected to be. In Godzilla, Godzilla is in the opening credits and Token Japanese Man repeatedly explains what Godzilla is going to do throughout the whole movie.
 

Mdk7

Member
Dude, you deserve all the praise! I just HAD to buy the shirt, even though I look like crap in white. That's how amazing your design is. Keep it up!
This comment really made me smile (and it made me proud too).
Buddy, you shouldn't have if you look like crap, yet i truly thank you for the kickass support. :D
Neogaf is such an amazing place (not that i didn't know!), i'm so glad i'm a part of it.
 

strobogo

Banned
If they're enjoyable then they're watchable, silly :p

That's not what I said. I said being enjoyable/watchable isn't the same as good. Bay movies might not be good, but they are watchable/enjoyable. Just like most Godzilla movies. I wouldn't even really say the original is a GOOD movie. It is a good B genre movie.
 

GhaleonEB

Member
How'd your daughter like it?

She wanted to leave partway through as it was too intense and scary for her (she's nine), but she toughed it out and enjoyed it in the end. She keeps talking about how cool Godzilla was. We're making plans to go back and watch some of the earlier films - this was her first.
I just saw it. Question:
Towards the end, the building falls on Godzilla and sort of ends him. But then he comes out on the water to finish the other monster. But then at the end, he's back being collapsed by the building. Did I miss something?

They don't show him getting up from under the building collapse, but he does crash down again after taking out the last MUTO.
 

Prologue

Member
I was just bored with Godzilla (2014). Friends didn't enjoy it neither :(. Cranston made the movie better and Ken Watanabe kept having the same damm look through the entire movie. Godzilla(1998) seem to have more heart imo and was much more enjoyable.


Pacific Rim was a modern day Power Rangers movie and I enjoyed the heck out of it. The monsters were awesome, the soundtrack was terrific and the characters were memorable. It was such a colorful movie and I really enjoyed the universe. The imax experience was a pleasure and I still enjoy the blu ray every now and then.
 

Mdk7

Member
She wanted to leave partway through as it was too intense and scary for her (she's nine), but she toughed it out and enjoyed it in the end. She keeps talking about how cool Godzilla was. We're making plans to go back and watch some of the earlier films - this was her first.


They don't show him getting up from under the building collapse, but he does crash down again after taking out the last MUTO.
I want to take my cousin as well (she's 9 too, and she liked Pacific Rim quite a bit, being a monster freak), but i'm afraid it might be too dark and intense for her. I'm really undecided.
 

hipbabboom

Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
I wasn't able to see this movie on opening weekend because of stuff but I got a chance to see it tonight with some friend and I really enjoyed it but my friends who know Godzilla but are not die-hard fans levied the same complaint about the movie that I've been hearing so much off: There isn't enough Godizilla. I think I was just so happy about the movie existing that it the like thereof didn't bother me that much. I loved that it wasn't to campy.

The one thing I will say and this isn't really a criticism but It almost feels like the trailers for from another movie and I'll leave it at that.

EDIT: I just gotta ask:
Wasn't there a centipede like monster with multiple legs in one of the trailers that was never in the movie?
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
I want to take my cousin as well (she's 9 too, and she liked Pacific Rim quite a bit, being a monster freak), but i'm afraid it might be too dark and intense for her. I'm really undecided.

Took my daughter yesterday, she's 9 too, and has seen pacific rim (although at home), along with most of the marvel movies. Also took my son who is 12.

I thought it was maybe a bit slow for my kids, but they really seemed to like it. As soon as my daughter got home she started scouting around for cardboard boxes and started building a model of Godzilla :D
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yay we got chibi kaijuu figures from Bandai! Here's what they look like for reference:

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Also, Doug thinks the movie is bad but Rob thinks the movie is good.

I never said it would kill him. But he said that because Gypsy Danger is powered by nuclear energy, he will automatically lose or something even if he strikes with his punches. The way he is powered is irrevelant in the fight.

Wouldn't the case be that the MUTOs or G would simply drain the mecha before it could move?

Watch Final Wars.

Why are you subjecting him to a horror :(

That's not what I said. I said being enjoyable/watchable isn't the same as good. Bay movies might not be good, but they are watchable/enjoyable. Just like most Godzilla movies. I wouldn't even really say the original is a GOOD movie. It is a good B genre movie.

Eh I guess when something is watchable I consider it good enough.
 

NEO0MJ

Member
Just watched this movie, I really, really enjoyed it. I don't think any other summer blockbuster can beat it, but we'll see.
Favorite part of the movie for me was
when Godzilla first used his atomic breath. I was worried for a while because he never used it for most of the movie, but when his tail started glowing in the smoke I just couldn't help but get so excited.
Also, was I the only one
who felt kinda sad for the Mutos when their nest blew up?

I hope we get King Ghidora in the future, he was my favorite Kaiju.
 

Serrato

Member
Yo, Gypsy Danger is like 2500 tons, he is going to have his hands full with with the 90,000 ton Big G from this movie.

Gypsy Danger is 1,980 Tons I just checked.. it's even worse. Never mind, he would not be able to even faze them. (http://pacificrim.wikia.com/wiki/Gipsy_Danger)

Wouldn't the case be that the MUTOs or G would simply drain the mecha before it could move?

I dont' think they drain everything that fast... especially when not in direct contact. It seem the MUTO needed to absorb the nukes or something. Though I might be wrong... it's not really explained, it's hollywood radiation.
 

Mengy

wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Same thing with Apocalypse Now. Kurtz this, Kurtz that, and then so little screen time for Marlon Fucking Brando. Why couldn't they show Kurtz doing all those fucked up things they talk about? Such a tease.

Are you seriously comparing Apocalypse Now to Godzilla 2014? Really? It's not really the same thing dude.There is quite a lot more interesting filler in the former compared to the latter, like LOTS more.
 
Reading the artbook and Edwards' comments about the slow reveal.... lol. He had such high hopes that the audience would get it and appreciate it. Most of us who saw early screenings did, but once it got wide released... this thread tanked. I feel bad for him. If you went in with the mindset that this was a sort of Godzilla origin story and that his reveal was meant to be teased for effect, I'm sure you came out enjoying the film. If you went in hopping up and down in your seat waiting for kaiju action... that's got to suck.

A related quote from the book:

"There is a tradition of the slow reveal when it comes to monsters. Godzilla did not appear in Gojira until twenty-one minutes in, and that was only a glimpse. Merian C. Cooper, creator of King Kong, once described his approach to introducing that fabled monster: 'I knew it to be essential to make it seem within the realms of probable imagination that King Kong could exist - that such an island as Skull Island could exist and that it was both distant, difficult, and dangerous to get to Skull Island. Indeed, I used five reels to do this. I set up the whole theme and story before the audience ever saw King Kong.'
'I think people store their memories of film different to what it actually was,' Edwards muses. 'In Jaws, for example, you don't see the shark on screen unil an hour in. We kind of wanted to stick to those rules.'"

About the "filler content", Godzilla had the MUTOs. The film wasn't devoid of tension and action just because Godzilla wasn't on screen.
 
She wanted to leave partway through as it was too intense and scary for her (she's nine), but she toughed it out and enjoyed it in the end. She keeps talking about how cool Godzilla was. We're making plans to go back and watch some of the earlier films - this was her first.
Ha, that's great! If ya want any recommendations, let me know. :)
Reading the artbook and Edwards' comments about the slow reveal.... lol. He had such high hopes that the audience would get it and appreciate it. Most of us who saw early screenings did, but once it got wide released... this thread tanked. I feel bad for him. If you went in with the mindset that this was a sort of Godzilla origin story and that his reveal was meant to be teased for effect, I'm sure you came out enjoying the film. If you went in hopping up and down in your seat waiting for kaiju action... that's got to suck.

A related quote from the book:

"There is a tradition of the slow reveal when it comes to monsters. Godzilla did not appear in Gojira until twenty-one minutes in, and that was only a glimpse. Merian C. Cooper, creator of King Kong, once described his approach to introducing that fabled monster: 'I knew it to be essential to make it seem within the realms of probable imagination that King Kong could exist - that such an island as Skull Island could exist and that it was both distant, difficult, and dangerous to get to Skull Island. Indeed, I used five reels to do this. I set up the whole theme and story before the audience ever saw King Kong.'
'I think people store their memories of film different to what it actually was,' Edwards muses. 'In Jaws, for example, you don't see the shark on screen unil an hour in. We kind of wanted to stick to those rules.'"

About the "filler content", Godzilla had the MUTOs. The film wasn't devoid of tension and action just because Godzilla wasn't on screen.
Where can I pick up this artbook?
 
Ha, that's great! If ya want any recommendations, let me know. :)

Where can I pick up this artbook?
I got mine at a local comic shop but I'm sure you can get it anywhere. It's called Godzilla: Art of Destruction.


In tbe book, he mentions his favorite part being the Hawaiian reveal cutting to news footage. He anticipated the audience getting frustrated.. in a good way until they get what they want in the third act. He forgot the mindset of most people these days. "Want want want, now now now!"
 
I wasn't able to see this movie on opening weekend because of stuff but I got a chance to see it tonight with some friend and I really enjoyed it but my friends who know Godzilla but are not die-hard fans levied the same complaint about the movie that I've been hearing so much off: There isn't enough Godizilla. I think I was just so happy about the movie existing that it the like thereof didn't bother me that much. I loved that it wasn't to campy.

The one thing I will say and this isn't really a criticism but It almost feels like the trailers for from another movie and I'll leave it at that.

EDIT: I just gotta ask:
Wasn't there a centipede like monster with multiple legs in one of the trailers that was never in the movie?

There was, but it's in that trailer they never officially released and kept taking down from youtube.

I wonder what the deal with it was.
 
I got mine at a local comic shop but I'm sure you can get it anywhere. It's called Godzilla: Art of Destruction.


In tbe book, he mentions his favorite part being the Hawaiian reveal cutting to news footage. He anticipated the audience getting frustrated.. in a good way until they get what they want in the third act. He forgot the mindset of most people these days. "Want want want, now now now!"

Cool. Will pick it up.
 

Spineker

Banned
I saw it a few days ago. My opinion of it is very similar to Pacific Rim.

Eh, it was alright. At least I felt like I didn't waste my money. It just got off to a slow start and lulled me into this "meh" sort of mood that just stayed with me for the rest of the movie. I couldn't shake it.
 

ivysaur12

Banned
"Ford Brody" sounds like a porn name.

I've always had a problem with these types of monster movies, because it's a lot of the human characters sitting around and watching the action instead of being proactive. This movie was even more of that because Godzilla's reveal was so late in the film.

That being said, Godzilla Flame Breath > everything.
 

gabbo

Member
"Ford Brody" sounds like a porn name.

I've always had a problem with these types of monster movies, because it's a lot of the human characters sitting around and watching the action instead of being proactive. This movie was even more of that because Godzilla's reveal was so late in the film.

That being said, Godzilla Flame Breath > everything.

How can one be proactive against monsters whose only threat is larger, angrier, more badass monsters?
edit: Outside of an oxygen destroyer
 

AniHawk

Member
i thought it was mostly boring. i can appreciate giving us a reason to see these monsters fight, but maybe it was increasingly convenient and odd for those situations to take place.

the only reason ford has a kid is so we're put in the bus when godzilla appears at the golden gate bridge.

actually the dumbest thing in the entire movie, and one of the dumbest things i've seen in any movie recently was ford telling his wife he was coming to get her and his son. why? there was time to evacuate the city, and it's not like the news was out that everything was converging on san francisco (i think). hell, just take the bart system south a bit and get to sf international airport to get a ride out of there. there was nothing ford could have done that was special to get them out. and i think him having super bomb-disarming powers was enough to get him into san francisco anyway. just a really stupid part of the movie.

i will echo what i assume are complaints about the lack of bryan cranston. everything involving him had me invested, and i didn't realize we were going to go with a completely different main character until he was zipped up in a body bag. it was such a huge shift, and ford never was as invested in the happenings of the mutos and godzilla. instead he was more like a harrison ford character in any of the movies he's done in the last 15 years. there was a bit of an underdog appeal to cranston too- he's older, kinda normal, and no one believes him. much more like roy scheider's character in jaws. he cares about what's happening. when we see ford as an adult, he just doesn't give a shit or is trying to distance himself from pretty traumatic stuff.

also, ken watanabe, who i like, and didn't think was a negative in this film, is sort of a non-factor. i don't know why both he and cranston were in this movie when they both did sort of the same thing, and watanabe wound up adding nothing. his big plan was the correct one 'let's do nothing', but it also rendered everything with the military as unintentionally pointless.

now i'm fine with pointlessness and futility when it's done right. cloverfield shows military blasting this thing like crazy to absolutely no effect. people are scared. there are a couple moments in godzilla that achieved this feeling to me. the most successful was on the tram in hawaii, when it starts up and you see the muto lit by the airport and tram lights. then the tram starts moving toward it and there's nothing people can do to stop its trajectory. that's pretty damn frightening and effective. the other wasn't scary, but ford pulling out his pistol like tom hanks in saving private ryan was a fairly okay moment in showing that helplessness. i wish there was more. the commercial with the doors closing as godzilla roars being another moment that would have been fantastic in the final film.

i think overall i would have liked a smaller film. most of the characters could have been cut- maybe it would have been about cranston trying to find his son and daughter-in-law in san francisco, arriving just before the mayhem begins, and the film is about the three of them trying to get the hell out over the course of a couple movie hours. i would have had godzilla as the only monster and also a real force of nature (if not the outright villain), and seemingly unstoppable.
 

GhaleonEB

Member
Ha, that's great! If ya want any recommendations, let me know. :)
We're going to start with the first one - where else? - but after that, I'm really not sure. Suggestions welcome!

AniHawk:

I mostly agree with your critiques. I think the biggest mistake the film made was in killing Cranton; the narrative shift to the son was abrupt and I ended up losing all investment in the characters from that point onward. I do like the idea of having Godzilla be a predator after other prey, and we're just on the sidelines, hopeless, but I wish they'd handled that aspect of the story more elegantly. Telegraphing it was Watanabe's one job and I wish he'd had, dunno, a character instead.
 

Blader

Member
We're going to start with the first one - where else? - but after that, I'm really not sure. Suggestions welcome!

Speaking from personal experience, your kid probably won't like the first one. I love it now, but when I was that age it was just boring for me -- too slow, too much drama, black and white, no other monsters, etc. Maybe your daughter is a more sophisticated nine-year-old than I was, but I didn't find it that exciting back then.

There are a bunch of sequels that are, imo, more colorful and pleasing for kids. King Kong vs. Godzilla, Mothra vs. Godzilla, the two Ghidorah movies, Son of Godzilla, Destroy All Monsters, Godzilla vs. Gigan, and the two Mechagodzilla movies would, I think, be all well-received by her. You may enjoy maybe half of them yourself. :lol
 
i thought it was mostly boring. i can appreciate giving us a reason to see these monsters fight, but maybe it was increasingly convenient and odd for those situations to take place.

the only reason ford has a kid is so we're put in the bus when godzilla appears at the golden gate bridge.

actually the dumbest thing in the entire movie, and one of the dumbest things i've seen in any movie recently was ford telling his wife he was coming to get her and his son. why? there was time to evacuate the city, and it's not like the news was out that everything was converging on san francisco (i think). hell, just take the bart system south a bit and get to sf international airport to get a ride out of there. there was nothing ford could have done that was special to get them out. and i think him having super arm-disarming powers was enough to get him into san francisco anyway. just a really stupid part of the movie.

i will echo what i assume are complaints about the lack of bryan cranston. everything involving him had me invested, and i didn't realize we were going to go with a completely different main character until he was zipped up in a body bag. it was such a huge shift, and ford never was as invested in the happenings of the mutos and godzilla. instead he was more like a harrison ford character in any of the movies he's done in the last 15 years. there was a bit of an underdog appeal to cranston too- he's older, kinda normal, and no one believes him. much more like roy schneider's character in jaws. he cares about what's happening. when we see ford as an adult, he just doesn't give a shit or is trying to distance himself from pretty traumatic stuff.

also, ken watanabe, who i liked, and didn't think was a negative in this film, is sort of a non-factor. i don't know why both he and cranston were in this movie when they both did sort of the same thing, and watanabe wound up adding nothing. his big plan was the correct one 'let's do nothing', but it also rendered everything with the military as unintentionally pointless.

now i'm fine with pointlessness and futility when it's done right. cloverfield shows military blasting this thing like crazy to absolutely no effect. people are scared. there are a couple moments in godzilla that achieved this feeling to me. the most successful was on the tram in hawaii, when it starts up and you see the muto lit by the airport and tram lights. then the tram starts moving toward it and there's nothing people can do to stop its trajectory. that's pretty damn frightening and effective. the other wasn't scary, but ford pulling out his pistol like tom hanks in saving private ryan was a fairly okay moment in showing that helplessness. i wish there was more. the commercial with the doors closing as godzilla roars being another moment that would have been fantastic in the final film.

i think overall i would have liked a smaller film. most of the characters could have been cut- maybe it would have been about cranston trying to find his son and daughter-in-law in san francisco, arriving just before the mayhem begins, and the film is about the three of them trying to get the hell out over the course of a couple movie hours. i would have had godzilla as the only monster and also a real force of nature (if not the outright villain), and seemingly unstoppable.
See, this is how you critique a movie. Though I love the film, I can agree with you on your points. Nothing is scarier than seeing a threat and then closing yourself in darkness hoping it passes you by leaving you unscathed. Seeing the doors close on Godzilla in the trailer gave me those "tornado/hurricane is coming! HIDE!" vibes and the film didn't really deliver that sort of tension and even changed the scene. Again, I love this movie, but not blindly and I don't feel it's absolutely perfect.
 
We're going to start with the first one - where else? - but after that, I'm really not sure. Suggestions welcome!

I haven't watched a lot of them in a while, but the ones I enjoyed most as a kid:

- Any film with Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah
- Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla
- Godzilla 2000
- Godzilla vs. Megaguirus
 

Raptor

Member
Instead of seeing people frightened we see lots of military stuff, in rewatches that stuff gets pretty boring to me, all those cuts to them preparing shit and speaking about the missions wasn't necessary at all, the military part of the film should have been only the character of David Strathairn and Watanabe, that way we could have imagined their efforts without relying on all that military filler scenes.

I would have prefered a few scenes of people accepting their faith like for instance a few scenes of some parents comforting their children about what was about to happen, maybe some other scenes of people going to a shelter like in Pacific Rim, that I thought that was one of the few scenes that worked in that film, for all the spectator aspect the film presents it focused on the wrong people IMO, AniHawk pointed out up there in her/his review that
Cranston trying to get out of there with family
could have been better and I agree completly, could have made her more emotional aswell.

In the first trailer there were scenes of people laying killed like ants and some scene of a person standing on some sort of structure all destroyed that pretty much conveyed the sense of scale of destruction of the movie and I got really excited but those scenes ain't in the movie at all unless I completly missed them, that sense of despair wasn't there IMO.

I didn't liked Kickass acting in this at all, he acting all badass and stuff wasnt effective, a helpless person could have been more way more effective.

Movie started incredible, with the right tone then all the sudden went to shit with all the constant teasing of Godzilla, seriously man, Edwards needs to calm down with that teasing, say it once, show it at the distance once, then show it at all his splendor and thats it, no need of constant cutting and teasing, by the part of the door closing second Godzilla tease I was about to freak out.

Good movie still, I was entertained but I don't think I would buy it after some consideration, maybe one more on Bluray and thats all for me.
 
Instead of seeing people frightened we see lots of military stuff, in rewatches that stuff gets pretty boring to me, all those cuts to them preparing shit and speaking about the missions wasn't necessary at all, the military part of the film should have been only the character of David Strathairn and Watanabe, that way we could have imagined their efforts without relying on all that military filler scenes.

I would have prefered a few scenes of people accepting their faith like for instance a few scenes of some parents comforting their children about what was about to happen, maybe some other scenes of people going to a shelter like in Pacific Rim, that I thought that was one of the few scenes that worked in that film, for all the spectator aspect the film presents it focused on the wrong people IMO, AniHawk pointed out up there in her/his review that
Cranston trying to get out of there with family
could have been better and I agree completly, could have made her more emotional aswell.

In the first trailer there were scenes of people laying killed like ants and some scene of a person standing on some sort of structure all destroyed that pretty much conveyed the sense of scale of destruction of the movie and I got really excited but those scenes ain't in the movie at all unless I completly missed them, that sense of despair wasn't there IMO.

I didn't liked Kickass acting in this at all, he acting all badass and stuff wasnt effective, a helpless person could have been more way more effective.

Movie started incredible, with the right tone then all the sudden went to shit with all the constant teasing of Godzilla, seriously man, Edwards needs to calm down with that teasing, say it once, show it at the distance once, then show it at all his splendor and thats it, no need of constant cutting and teasing, by the part of the door closing second Godzilla tease I was about to freak out.

Good movie still, I was entertained but I don't think I would buy it after some consideration, maybe one more on Bluray and thats all for me.
I think those scenes were removed for the rating, maybe. Those scenes were bleak as hell. Here's hoping the bluray gets a director's cut.
 
You guys know what movie really sucks? The Third Man.

The whole movie I keep hearing about this dude who only shows up for a few minutes towards the end. Such bullshit. I was expecting to see Orson Welles chewing up scenery through the whole thing.

Same thing with Apocalypse Now. Kurtz this, Kurtz that, and then so little screen time for Marlon Fucking Brando. Why couldn't they show Kurtz doing all those fucked up things they talk about? Such a tease.

Spoiler warning dude!
 
Been digi painting this guy since last weekend, only thing that's really close to being done is Godzilla himself, everything else is kinda thrown together. I really have no idea what I want to do with the background, I'm pretty horrid with perspective so I'm just going with a mound of smoke and debris for now.
M997I5j.jpg

Higher res here: http://i.imgur.com/YS2xP36.jpg
 

AniHawk

Member
See, this is how you critique a movie. Though I love the film, I can agree with you on your points. Nothing is scarier than seeing a threat and then closing yourself in darkness hoping it passes you by leaving you unscathed. Seeing the doors close on Godzilla in the trailer gave me those "tornado/hurricane is coming! HIDE!" vibes and the film didn't really deliver that sort of tension and even changed the scene. Again, I love this movie, but not blindly and I don't feel it's absolutely perfect.

thanks. i should clarify that i didn't think it was a bad movie. i actually really appreciate the long stretches between action to give those scenes more weight, and i at least understand the decision to have a sort of unit (meaning the brody family) to help frame most of the fights and give a sense of scale and power throughout most of the film. there's a lot of room for improvement, but i thought that on paper, the movie did a lot right.
 

AniHawk

Member
oh and one minor thing that i liked and was originally worried about
was the wife watching the soldier parachute down towards the hospital. i thought it was actually going to be ford for a moment- and apparently the people i saw the movie with did too. instead it was a kind of cool moment with the plane crashing into the building and indicating the destruction to come
 
thanks. i should clarify that i didn't think it was a bad movie. i actually really appreciate the long stretches between action to give those scenes more weight, and i at least understand the decision to have a sort of unit (meaning the brody family) to help frame most of the fights and give a sense of scale and power throughout most of the film. there's a lot of room for improvement, but i thought that on paper, the movie did a lot right.

I've just seen too many posts that reak of being the typical "focus group" level of nonsense.

There's an extended cut.
Source? Last I read, Tull said it'd be up to Edwards.
 
I haven't watched a lot of them in a while, but the ones I enjoyed most as a kid:

- Any film with Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah
- Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla
- Godzilla 2000
- Godzilla vs. Megaguirus

Oh jeez lol

Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla is like the "Star Trek Insurrection" of the Godzilla series.
 

Blader

Member
You guys know what movie really sucks? The Third Man.

The whole movie I keep hearing about this dude who only shows up for a few minutes towards the end. Such bullshit. I was expecting to see Orson Welles chewing up scenery through the whole thing.

Same thing with Apocalypse Now. Kurtz this, Kurtz that, and then so little screen time for Marlon Fucking Brando. Why couldn't they show Kurtz doing all those fucked up things they talk about? Such a tease.

These comparisons are getting worse and worse.
 

paskowitz

Member
i thought it was mostly boring. i can appreciate giving us a reason to see these monsters fight, but maybe it was increasingly convenient and odd for those situations to take place.

the only reason ford has a kid is so we're put in the bus when godzilla appears at the golden gate bridge.

actually the dumbest thing in the entire movie, and one of the dumbest things i've seen in any movie recently was ford telling his wife he was coming to get her and his son. why? there was time to evacuate the city, and it's not like the news was out that everything was converging on san francisco (i think). hell, just take the bart system south a bit and get to sf international airport to get a ride out of there. there was nothing ford could have done that was special to get them out. and i think him having super arm-disarming powers was enough to get him into san francisco anyway. just a really stupid part of the movie.

i will echo what i assume are complaints about the lack of bryan cranston. everything involving him had me invested, and i didn't realize we were going to go with a completely different main character until he was zipped up in a body bag. it was such a huge shift, and ford never was as invested in the happenings of the mutos and godzilla. instead he was more like a harrison ford character in any of the movies he's done in the last 15 years. there was a bit of an underdog appeal to cranston too- he's older, kinda normal, and no one believes him. much more like roy schneider's character in jaws. he cares about what's happening. when we see ford as an adult, he just doesn't give a shit or is trying to distance himself from pretty traumatic stuff.

also, ken watanabe, who i liked, and didn't think was a negative in this film, is sort of a non-factor. i don't know why both he and cranston were in this movie when they both did sort of the same thing, and watanabe wound up adding nothing. his big plan was the correct one 'let's do nothing', but it also rendered everything with the military as unintentionally pointless.

now i'm fine with pointlessness and futility when it's done right. cloverfield shows military blasting this thing like crazy to absolutely no effect. people are scared. there are a couple moments in godzilla that achieved this feeling to me. the most successful was on the tram in hawaii, when it starts up and you see the muto lit by the airport and tram lights. then the tram starts moving toward it and there's nothing people can do to stop its trajectory. that's pretty damn frightening and effective. the other wasn't scary, but ford pulling out his pistol like tom hanks in saving private ryan was a fairly okay moment in showing that helplessness. i wish there was more. the commercial with the doors closing as godzilla roars being another moment that would have been fantastic in the final film.

i think overall i would have liked a smaller film. most of the characters could have been cut- maybe it would have been about cranston trying to find his son and daughter-in-law in san francisco, arriving just before the mayhem begins, and the film is about the three of them trying to get the hell out over the course of a couple movie hours. i would have had godzilla as the only monster and also a real force of nature (if not the outright villain), and seemingly unstoppable.

No support this opinion. Last paragraph would have been a much better plot device.
 
Just saw it for a third time and I can admit it's painfully slow, but that could mostly have been the uncomfortable seat/theatre I was in. Still can't wait for a sequel.
 
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