I think it was more that the show got much better after they moved away from being about mafia crime and into more interesting, comic-booky things.
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Gotham S2 |OT| Dawn of Altruism - Mondays 8/7c
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I think it was more that the show got much better after they moved away from being about mafia crime and into more interesting, comic-booky things.
Miles Quaritch
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It's true though...
You make some good points, but I loathe her character and everything about her. She was one of the worst things about the first season and I don't say that lightly.
Miles Quaritch
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That's true and the end of the mafia crime aspect came with her death. She was the main driving force behind it with her constant shenanigans and pulling down the real talent like Penguin.
Had she still been around, I doubt we'd be getting the current arc with Penguin or Butch.
HanzSnubSnub
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They actually picked the perfect age for Bruce. This just gets me excited for the future of this show. There is so much potential.
I agree. At first, I thought the characters might be a tad too young. I was afraid it would be a super slow burn for character growth, but season 2 has proven me wrong. They nailed the casting!
Hugo is super mysterious, there is still so much we don't know. I feel like he will fly under Jim Gordon's radar for a while, while pulling the strings from behind the scenes.
My jaw dropped when I saw that. I've only seen the Nolan films and played the Rocksteady games, but they have absolutely nailed Gotham's aesthetics. A great ending to a great episode.
Discotheque
Banned
Yeah I like her too but if they bring her back the mob crime shouldn't be a main focus. Just one aspect among many of crime in a wacky town.
Nobody is talking about, what they property are doing with the Joker? For me it looks like, Jeremy unintentionaly created a sub-culture in Gotham, which speaks to a lot to anachist, free-spirits and broken people (the show present it as a mix between Gothic and Punk). The scene will properly grow overtime and I can actually see them, dismissing Jermey, if he would be coming back (many groups distance them self from there creators or inspiration, since living people can make for bad symbols).
The Joker would become an embodyment of this sub-culture. One random guy, who takes everything to far. Almost like all those people are summoning an demon or god. It kind of explains, why people would still support the Joker. He is created through the people of Gotham.
This would also give the producer the chance to involve the Joker without actually using the character. Like with last episode they can create people, who represent a fraction of him out of this sub-culture. All the small bits, which leave a mark on Gotham and all will life on as a part of the Joker in the future.
The Joker would become an embodyment of this sub-culture. One random guy, who takes everything to far. Almost like all those people are summoning an demon or god. It kind of explains, why people would still support the Joker. He is created through the people of Gotham.
This would also give the producer the chance to involve the Joker without actually using the character. Like with last episode they can create people, who represent a fraction of him out of this sub-culture. All the small bits, which leave a mark on Gotham and all will life on as a part of the Joker in the future.
Seems like
is coming to the show
Clayface
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Mind the spoiler rules, dudes and dudettes.
No need to turn this thread into The Walking Dead's OT.
No need to turn this thread into The Walking Dead's OT.
Sorry
Shall work on that.
Always just think of casting news as casting news, but guess are spoilers
Finally saw the episode, and it's a masterpiece. The very best of what Gotham has to offer, even without the campy craziness of Jerome and a guy in a suit with a freeze gun.
The Matches scene was a crash course in Batman's attitude to crime fighting. He can't stop murder by becoming a murderer. He can't stop revenge by taking revenge. Matches is a product of society, a society so rotten that he can make a living by killing people for money, and do it for so long that the job becomes mundane and he can't even remember who he kills. He wasn't the murderer, he just fired the gun. If it wasn't him, it would have been someone else.
The Jeri character was great too. Only in Gotham can a steampunk woman in white facepaint singing for a punk band be completely congruent with Gotham's aesthetic.
The Matches scene was a crash course in Batman's attitude to crime fighting. He can't stop murder by becoming a murderer. He can't stop revenge by taking revenge. Matches is a product of society, a society so rotten that he can make a living by killing people for money, and do it for so long that the job becomes mundane and he can't even remember who he kills. He wasn't the murderer, he just fired the gun. If it wasn't him, it would have been someone else.
The Jeri character was great too. Only in Gotham can a steampunk woman in white facepaint singing for a punk band be completely congruent with Gotham's aesthetic.
Wonder how that's gonna look.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Oh man, yes.
Razgriz-Specter
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Last weeks was like the best of the series, get on it.
Razgriz-Specter
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Man another great episode.
Dat Batman v Superman exclusive.
Dat Batman v Superman exclusive.
Poodlestrike
Banned
It would appear that Gotham-GAF has jumped over to Supergirl, lol. Guess I'm going to see it relatively unspoiled tomorrow 
Razgriz-Specter
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This, didn't expect that direction going in.
GotchaForce
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Real Riddler, 60's tv homage opening (felt that way, with the giant bomb), Bruce coming into his own (that music!) was really good stuff. The Penguin stuff was ok I'm hoping it goes somewhere interesting (like dad helps him get his mojo back or maybe he's a plant from Strange). Also hope we get to see Bullock struggling to outwit Nygma.
I have such mixed feelings on this show. It's good, i'm enjoying it, but its really hard to have sympathy for Gordon when he's really stepped into the mud with the rest. It's like, yea he's being
I'm ok with it for now, its a compelling story and i'm hooked but the moment he tries to pull some holier than thou shit like in the first season it's gonna feel like such bullshit.
framed for this murder, but at the same time yea he killed that other guy and is lying about and has been working with some major villains for some time now
This. If he comes out of this he had better have learned something from this. There can not be a repeat of this BS come next season.
I agree with AV Club all the time on most of the TV shows I watch, but it is BIZARRE how often I'm on a completely different spectrum when it comes to Gotham. I feel like they're about the only ones who constantly have bad things to say about it. Even in this B- review they still clearly dislike pretty much everything about the show.
RellyRell28
Banned
It would appear that Gotham-GAF has jumped over to Supergirl, lol. Guess I'm going to see it relatively unspoiled tomorrow
Yup that seemed to be the case. At the start of the season I watch Gotham live and then watch the dvr of Supergirl and now it's vice versa.
dead souls
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That was a pretty good episode. Tonight has been a great night for TV.
Calm waterfall
Banned
Absolutely amazing episode. My god Nygma is a freaking genius.
Piku_Ringo
Banned
Shades of Batman Eternal with that ending?
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Anyone taking bets that Penguin's dad is a Strange plant?
BrokenFiction
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Bruce keeps getting better and better. I love how he would take that beating and couldn't really fight back until his parents were referenced (instead of just being righteous "you're a coward" Bruce).
Enosh
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this is not the end of the season right? because it feels like a season ending cliffhanger
great episode, can't believe they actually went through and fast tracked Gordon to prison, thought Harvey would find some lead to clear Gordons name before the end of the episode
and man, Butch you lucky bastard
great episode, can't believe they actually went through and fast tracked Gordon to prison, thought Harvey would find some lead to clear Gordons name before the end of the episode
and man, Butch you lucky bastard
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Silly Ivy, mushrooms are not plants!
super-heated plasma
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That time jump was crazy. I don't know how they are gonna write it so Gordon can go back to being a cop and somehow on the track to Commissioner after what he's done and all that's happened since. The writers might be painting themselves in a corner. But either way, I am loving the show.
This has got to be one of the best shot TV shows I have ever seen in my life. Every scene, every loaction and set is almost like a work of art itself. It is truly amazing. A lot of movies don't have the same kind of carer and attention to detail that Gotham has in its world building.
This has got to be one of the best shot TV shows I have ever seen in my life. Every scene, every loaction and set is almost like a work of art itself. It is truly amazing. A lot of movies don't have the same kind of carer and attention to detail that Gotham has in its world building.
I agree. Very few TV shows have managed to hook me in, and Gotham is just doing everything perfectly. The cast is amazingly spot on, the acting is amazing, the plots are amazing, the villain reveals are amazing, Bruce getting better and better, each villain given their time to shine and control everything...
And since the Burtonverse is my favorite live action Batman universe, Gotham being so similar in style and tone just rings my bell.