Gran Turismo 5 Review Thread
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theignoramus
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Doesnt this magazine always complain about the trend of games being like interactive movies? Yet they complain that a game purely about interaction is not gamey enough. And the article is pretentious enough to not even define what it means by " it deserved a little more game", it just ends on that note. If the simulation, cars and tracks in a simulator isnt the core game, then what is?
Huggers
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belvedere said:
Yeah I'm level 21 and have smashed the shit out of my Lambo (often not on purpose) and had some fairly sever damage but never anything to this level http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGWih-RTbXQ
If as Psycohtext says it's just for that one motor it gives me hope that it will improve through patches for other cars
Vicetrailia
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GT isn't being represented to the fullest, but that's why we gotta play the game.
Lion Heart
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lowrider007 said:
I agree 100%. A lot of reviewers just don't like the style of the game, which I prefer and find it unbelievably addictive. Its like when people call Starcrafts gameplay "old" and something like Company of heroes "modern" or "the future" of RTS, but I cant stand COH and Starcrafts resource management is my favourite type of design. At this point, reviewers are bashing a clear design choice instead of a "flaw" and it becomes 100% subjective.
Psychotext said:
Indeed. In Yamauchi's latest twitter session it was made pretty clear that there are 3 levels of visual damage in GT5 and no mechanical damage yet.
L1 - Standard Damage (scratches/deformation, standard models)
L2 - Premium Damage (dislocation, premium models)
L3 - Premium Race Model Damage (detachment, Nascar/Rally/RM models)
LabouredSubterfuge
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marc^o^ said:
While GT5's user interface is so-so, how they're measuring that against a best-in-class driving simulation component is what puzzles me a tad. Does a tremendous and feature-rich driving game deserve a 7 because the menus can sometimes seem slow and the graphics inconsistent? According to some reviews that's exactly the case. Seems slightly backwards in my eyes.
SolidSnakex
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zoukka said:
Have you actually played the game? There is a definite challenge in the game, especially as your progress into different racing tiers. Just because reviewers want to take the easy way out by taking a 500hp car into a race with 250hp cars doesn't mean that the AI is bad. And interesting that so many reviewers are criticizing GT5's AI yet none of them seemed to notice that F1 2010 faked their AI during qualifying. Gamers found this out within a day of having the game yet reviewers likely had it weeks in advance and never noticed something that truly is terrible AI.
flyinpiranha
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-viper- said:
Well, being that less than 10% (being generous) even play the game with a wheel, why would they? I mean, even in the hardcore GAF thread of Awesome I see a small amount of people using the wheel.
zoukka said:
Lack of challenge?!? :lol
Either you're the best fucking sim racer in the world, or an idiot. And I'm assuming you're not the best sim racer in the world.
SolidSnakex
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flyinpiranha said:
Actually, I think most people in that GT5 thread have wheels. Even people that aren't into racing games are buying wheels for GT5. The DS3 users seem to be in the minority.
hurricanepilot
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amar212 said:
Happened to me a few times during the first couple of days, and for about half an hour when doing the first top gear challenge, exactly as he describes.
I'm not suggesting he's as dumb as me, but I fixed it by turning the dual-shock (that I'd been using to navigate the menus and had casually tossed aside) the right way up and resting it astride a tv remote so that neither the right stick nor the triggers had any pressure on them. I do this now as a matter of course and I've not seen the problem since.
LabouredSubterfuge
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zoukka said:
Sweet burn bro.
flyinpiranha
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SolidSnakex said:
I disagree but it really doesn't matter in the long run as a VAST majority of GT5 players will not use a wheel. Too bad we can't do a poll.
theignoramus
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lack of challenge in GT5? Maybe at the entry levels when you can overpower everything, but I just did a 2 lap race at Le Mans in the Professional series with a 890 HP Mclaren MP4 and the AI was fighting me every step of the way. Lack of challenge in the Special Events? Forget about the Top gear challenges, which are brutal enough, AMG driving school is ruthless. There is plenty of challenge to be had, even in B-Spec mode. Now if you want to criticize the AI, then do that, but don't pretend that represents a lack of challenge across the board.zoukka said:
"the lack of challenge".... You're either an awesome driver or a flat out liar.:lol
Metalmurphy
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zoukka said:
What the crap? :lol The online mode in GT5 is so far ahead of most games it's even funny... What other games allow you to change maps while still maintaining the entire UI where you can change cars, chat, voice chat, change settings etc?
The netcode is pretty much flawless, I was playing with Crushdance the other day, he's from Canada I'm from Portugal, there was NO lag what so ever. None. And this includes hit detection on collisions.
The whole Community menus inside the GT Life are also awesome, it's like it's always one big community every time you play.
I keep hearing people saying the online in GT5 is crap... I mean, what the fuck? Compared to what?
Oh wait... is it because it doesn't have Matchmaking? THANK GOD it doesn't.
LiquidMetal14
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The only thing that compares to me is Blur. That lacks the community features that GT5 has though. And it runs less smooth. GT must use dedicated servers or something.Metalmurphy said:
This video tests the AI in GT5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA5jIuoP4bstheignoramus said:
The AI reacts in a non scripted way to the Mercedes. AI could be better, but it's nowhere near as bad as I read in some reviews.
flyinpiranha
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I think we all got successfully trolled by zoukka.
I'm really loving this game much more than i thought i would, but i think it's good that reviews don't give this game a pass since there is obviously a lot of things that are not up to par with other entries in the genre or just generally could easily be better(UI).
Hopefully PD will take this feedback to heart while keeping their vision of the game. I just feel like there is like there is problems in development process(i guess it's a thing for Japanese companies trying to make AAA next-gen products) and some reality distortion fields going on due their previous massive success.
Hopefully PD will take this feedback to heart while keeping their vision of the game. I just feel like there is like there is problems in development process(i guess it's a thing for Japanese companies trying to make AAA next-gen products) and some reality distortion fields going on due their previous massive success.
-viper- said:
No it took several tries actually. The special events are the best part of the game easily. The A-spec races are the ones without challenge. Though this just depends on what you take on the track. Also if the later races have better challenge/AI, then great. But the three first classes are way too easy and the AI drivers have 0% aggressive behaviour.
Well these ARE videogames. I don't want pure rubberband AI in my games, but I still want to feel that I'm not alone in the track with train cars going around it.
jakonovski
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marc^o^ said:
That's one of the vaguest reviews I've ever read. He loves the game but can't be bothered to go into specifics to tell us exactly why.
LiquidMetal14
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This would be the one that would fall in line closest to my own. A near 10 with some minor flaws which don't take away from the experience. I can't say it upsets me too much how some nitpick things that don't bother me. As long as someone doesn't add things like development cycle and opinion based nitpicks to knock it down. The music and UI/menus are 2 big points which I disagree with on the criticisms.marc^o^ said:
Nostalgic Nightmare
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That Ars review was interesting. Interesting that it would be considered a "rent" with how much can be unlocked in this game and the time that would take. Aside from there being almost 10 Forza references in 3 pages, the topper was that the reviewer bought a Ps3 a week or so in advance with GT5P, and was hoping against hope that things would be improved. Sorry, it just felt slanted to me, and it was obvious the person was never going to give a proper review.
One thing that we all should know though, these are nothing more than people's opinions, and a rental is a good way to see if the game is right for you. What bothers one person, may mean squat to you. I can fully admit some of the design/development choices in this game are puzzling, but when it comes down to getting in the car and racing, it's fantastic. I've been to plenty of track days in my life, and it's better to navigate through a few menus, than pack up a set of wheels, check pressures, work the course
The driving is brilliant in this game, and that's what really matters when you get down to it. I really think gaming has been reduced to people over analyzing, looking for the worst, or what should have been, instead of playing and having fun.
One thing that we all should know though, these are nothing more than people's opinions, and a rental is a good way to see if the game is right for you. What bothers one person, may mean squat to you. I can fully admit some of the design/development choices in this game are puzzling, but when it comes down to getting in the car and racing, it's fantastic. I've been to plenty of track days in my life, and it's better to navigate through a few menus, than pack up a set of wheels, check pressures, work the course
The driving is brilliant in this game, and that's what really matters when you get down to it. I really think gaming has been reduced to people over analyzing, looking for the worst, or what should have been, instead of playing and having fun.Exactly. I thought it was brilliant how they did it. Nobody should complain about the difficulty (at least until some of the extreme events with tighter restrictions) because the challenge you derive from a-spec (and b-spec) races is entirely up to the player. You want it easier? Pay more credits - buy a better car or better parts. You want it harder? Use a worse car.zoukka said:
The special events suffer in this regard because the difficulty is often inflexible, due to car and driving aid limitations.
Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of stuff wrong with the game. A-spec difficulty isn't one of them.
CrushDance
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Chrange said:
Opus Angelorum said:
If it's a test of character, you two have surely failed :/
Dreams-Visions
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hasn't GT always been like that? I feel like my Gran Turismo 3 experience was a function of saving up enough money to simply get superior parts and cars relative to the competition. Some races would be close because of similar equipment. Others wouldn't even be close. I feel like as much as 50% of my races featured me in a far superior car. But I'd be surprised if that were unique to GT.zoukka said:
out of 6? what, 5 or 10 or 100 isn't good enough? someone always has to try to be special.Progmetal said:
Dreams-Visions
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learn something new every day.Curufinwe said:Norway uses Base 6 for all numbering.
See You Next Wednesday
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Massa said:
He got banned for that?
marc^o^ said:
People shouldn't be surprised here with Edge for multiple reasons of course.
Other "Reviewers" are here to protect the gamer though of course, standing up against the mighty king of sim games, who has put the genre on the map, for taking their sweet time building the most complete and feature packed game ever for just $60. Not to mention how many times it's obvious they revamped the physics model. Instead, they'd rather applaud developers who pump out sequel after sequel in a years time with updates so small you have to be beaten over the head to even notice them.
GT5 has it's flaws of course, some very glaring considering what we expected out of it, but the goods far and aways outweigh the bads, and the "highs" are on a totally different level than anything we had to date before. But the reviewers will attack the hell out of this game for obvious reason again. Unfortunately, said reviewers don't attack other games for having glaring issues, and they don't even wince when they're actually FACTUALLY wrong about a game and it's features in their review.
Gaming journalism is dead, it's been dead for years now. There's no real unbiased, agenda wielding, greased-palm review site out there unfortunately, just wish there was at least one that would be factually correct on game features even. But even that's asking too much.