I missed that comment from Kaz. My eyes bulged seeing it now. That's definitely not the experience we found with the servers disabled for maintenance during the review period. Also, if you're wondering, Sony offered all critics unlocked save files during the review period to give them more to do during the offline "maintenance" days.
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Gran Turismo Sport is extremely limited in offline mode (no saves, unlocks, etc..)
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I missed that comment from Kaz. My eyes bulged seeing it now. That's definitely not the experience we found with the servers disabled for maintenance during the review period. Also, if you're wondering, Sony offered all critics unlocked save files during the review period to give them more to do during the offline "maintenance" days.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Damn. That's something that definitely warrants research. Any cases of Sony banning people for this ?
;/ that would be petty and lame if they did
killatopak
Gold Member
Is it? FIA license is pretty important.
NullPointer
Member
I see it as two-fold. To protect the integrity of the Sport mode events, as well as the integrity of paid DLC for things like tracks, cars, driver gear, scapes and livery components.
We don't know their DLC plans, but its safe to say they have their own ideas, and all of the above fall into the "possible premium content" category.
And of course its also just easier to have a singular save rather than an online and offline save that have to play together well.
Classic GT Sport communication right there. "Clear" isn't a word I'd use to describe it.
No, also, the save editor that's available to people outside of Japan is handled by folks who care about preventing online cheats. They disable advanced modding functionality for any game that has can be edited to enable online cheating.
WoolyNinja
Member
This thread makes me sad. GT Sport is fantastic, there's no fucking loot crates, there's no nickel and dime-ing the player, etc and yet people are complaining because you have to be online -- not PS+ -- just online? I don't get it - we're in a connected world where almost all console owners are on the internet.
I'm sorry for the few who legitimately can't get broadband, but its seriously the smallest percent of people. If you actually have a PS4, an internet connection, and love racing games I highly recommend GT Sport - its great
I'm sorry for the few who legitimately can't get broadband, but its seriously the smallest percent of people. If you actually have a PS4, an internet connection, and love racing games I highly recommend GT Sport - its great
BBQ_of_DOOM
Member
So the FIA is supposed to take them at their word?
I think they just update the firmware to block the save editors from working. Save editors will usually get a update, work again then the cycle continues.
Most are just SP only thankfully, so they are usually harmless.
Maybe PD should have a better online checks and balances system server side that should not rely on the saves in the first place. SR should be saved server side, car specs should be limited for fair competition to begin with. If saves are editable to cheat online via that, maybe you haven't designed your online focused game in the best way.
soundscream
Member
To the people who take the esport side seriously. Which is a niche part of the fan base.
So...uh......how do we get ahold of these....."saves".
Haha, jk. That's interesting though.
Look mate: I know for a fact that GTS is online focused (everybody who's been following it knows that)...just wanted to show Kaz's hypocrisy. The man would say anything to sell his game.
In the end, we could, based on kaz's very words, assume that 85% of the game is locked offline.
Irony.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah. I don't do online but wouldn't mind an optional choice of doing crazy-edits to my offline SP game saves.
MajorPoopStorm
Banned
BBQ_of_DOOM
Member
What do you know about the quality of their save systems?
soundscream
Member
Would you recommend it for someone who doesn't want to race online?
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Ummmm, that's...what this is? Sounds like this is the best way and the easiest way to secure that. Why is this even a problem when people are literally going to be online all the time anyway?
test_account
XP-39C²
Pre-ordered canceled!
I didnt even pre-order it, i'm buying it later on this week instead.
Thanks for this. I was actually a bit surprised to see the save game being locked to online, but cheating was the first thing i thought of when i read it.
Can you go a bit more in-depth on how this works? How does other games do it regards to save games?
test_account
XP-39C²
*Double post*
I know there are hundreds of games out there with online multiplayer, that have offline saves that don't have values that can be edited which give you an advantage online.
killatopak
Gold Member
Sony paid them already so they have to follow their guidelines. It sucks but it's a necessity for them to take GT seriously.
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BBQ_of_DOOM
Member
And do any of them have an agreement with the FIA to sanction their game as an eSport and provide its participants with licensing?
We have no idea what the FIA required for this--or whether the tradeoff is ultimately worth it. But to presume that an automatically better option exists--given these constraints (FIA participation, eSport, etc.) is just as foolish as blindly defending every questionable practice in the game.
MajorPoopStorm
Banned
WoolyNinja
Member
That's a bit tough to answer as the Sports races are my favorite part but I honestly think the driving model, the AI, the arcade races, the license tests, the missions, the "learning the track" missions, etc will keep you busy long enough to justify a full priced game. I'm not sure if anyone has measured the time it would take to complete all the included single player stuff but if I had to guess it's easily 15+ hours?
But if you do buy it I highly suggest you give Sports races a shot. I've played a ton of F1 2017 and love that game but the online races here are just more fun.
Online progress (like the SR system) is not saved locally and only server side since that is basically only for online. Item values have max limitations, so even if somehow the client side is telling them "I have this SMG that is upgradeable in game and I have gotten it to the point that it can fire 1000 bullets per second" the server goes "that SMG can only fire 12.5 rounds per second with the max upgrades possible so I will default the values in the online match to that" etc.
In the case of a car, the server would have max acceleration values, max speed limits, max hp etc.
so online progress is not saved locally in GTS either...
Everything you do in GTS earns you something. Thats why you have to be online for it to save.
It is like you understand but you dont want to.
There's no presumption here when it's been done already by other games. If FiA required them to do this, then sure, they had to, but that doesn't make this any better, and I didn't ask for the FiA partnership or the chance to earn a license. So I will rightly criticize the decision regardless of whatever contractual obligation they may have to do this. It is a part of the game after all.
I was saying that the only true thing that needs to be saved online, is the SR. And no shit, the stuff that you earn you have to be online to earn, because they set it up that way. A lot of this stuff shouldn't require you to be online to save the progress. That's the whole point of this thread.
soundscream
Member
Any seasoned player would get nothing from many of the single player options, especially learning the track. If you have been doing this long enough you know these tracks.
test_account
XP-39C²
I see, but doesnt all modern shooter for example use this system? Its still possible to cheat in many of those games.
FIA is now the killer app. Pack it in folks.
NullPointer
Member
Guess I'm not properly seasoned because I'm loving this stuff in GTS more than I did the previous career modes, and don't know if I'll ever go into Sport mode, though it could happen. But your mileage will definitely vary.
WoolyNinja
Member
Any "seasoned player" would probably get bored with the old Gran Turismo or Forza AI offline races too then as they've been doing this long enough to easily know the tracks and should be able to destroy the AI? I guess I don't understand what you're trying to say. If you're so good that learning the tracks isn't fun for you then isn't something like the Sports mode the perfect way to get enjoyment out of a racing game by going up against others as great as you?
They don't use offline save editing to cheat in those games.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
They were already here
So is the overreaction over this.
I think he said that meaning that there's a limited number of times you can have fun doing the "Stop the car at the finish line" or "Finish al least 4th in two laps with this car we lend you".
soundscream
Member
If you are only going to use 10 cars sure, but there was enough variety that you wouldn't flame out on it because there were so many options. And no I really don't enjoy online racing. The AI is predictable but I know its short comings and don't have my race ruined by them.
GHG
Member
This is a strange way of looking at it. Most racing games are "been there done that" and the new ones tend to be iterative improvements with a sprinkling of new features/tracks/cars.
I've owned pretty much every noteworthy racing game that's come out this generation but still enjoyed spending time doing activities that I should supposedly get "nothing" from during my time with the demo.
So... you didn't play the demo?
MajorPoopStorm
Banned
Let me guess, they are a group of asians who hate America yet they are still living in US?
test_account
XP-39C²
How do they do it?
GHG
Member
dreamlongdead
Member
Even though the online servers will up for several years, it's amusing that this game will essentially be unplayable at some point.
It probably won't matter much since the next GT will be out before Sport even dies. Not a huge issue for most players in this day and age.
It probably won't matter much since the next GT will be out before Sport even dies. Not a huge issue for most players in this day and age.
soundscream
Member
MajorPoopStorm
Banned
What? It's not 2002. You think most people are buying a game like Overwatch and are being blindsided by it being online only? GT Sport has has been marketed on its change to an online product, anyone who cared are well aware.